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1/22/2020 5:45:24 PM EDT
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That and they are carefully trying to not recommend actions that will hurt trade and the world economy.

It is like the weather man making a prediction for rain at a tourist beach destination in the summer. the only time they predict rain ( because people will change their vacation plans ) is after it starts raining. To predict rain and have it not come true is a huge economic bust for the weekend.

this is politics in action.
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Of course there is 3rd or 4th generation transmission!

There are over 540 cases confirmed!

The alternative hypothesis is what? That there was a very large number of zoonotic transmissions before human to human? This is the more contagious than measles?

Listening as well...

Troubling but not unexpected is you have these WHO leaders making public appeals at a press conference to China to "gib data!"
I'm just relaying what the committee is stating, this is pretty far outside my wheelhouse so if you're a SME I'm always glad to hear what's going on.  I'll say this, I get the feeling they're being very cautious, and it's worth mentioning that the committee was split on emergency declaration.  On the other hand, based on all the adulation they're giving, if the PRC was a person these guys would be lining up to give a blowjob.  So it's possible they're trying not to piss them off.
That and they are carefully trying to not recommend actions that will hurt trade and the world economy.

It is like the weather man making a prediction for rain at a tourist beach destination in the summer. the only time they predict rain ( because people will change their vacation plans ) is after it starts raining. To predict rain and have it not come true is a huge economic bust for the weekend.

this is politics in action.
Kind of like this scene in Jaws.

Hey we have a Shark.  Our community needs the summer dollars coming in

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1/22/2020 5:46:43 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure that this was how 12 Monkeys started
1/22/2020 5:48:47 PM EDT
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china control the news as always
Probably 60,000 people dead from the virus already
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No and yes. The CDC estimates 1700 have been infected but only 6 deaths so far.
1/22/2020 5:50:18 PM EDT
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No and yes. The CDC estimates 1700 have been infected but only 6 deaths so far.
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Apparently that's been updated.  Up to 17 now.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+deaths+from+coronavirus&rlz=1C1MKDC_enUS772US772&oq=How+many+deaths+from&aqs=chrome.2.0j69i57j0l6.5915j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
1/22/2020 6:04:52 PM EDT
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[New pneumonia, the source of edible rodents] A team of experts in China has said that it is highly likely that wild animals such as rodents sold as food in the market were the source of infection. China has a “wild taste” habit of eating wildlife, and authorities are struggling to respond.
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1/22/2020 6:12:34 PM EDT
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No and yes. The CDC estimates 1700 have been infected but only 6 deaths so far.
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There are currently 555 cases confirmed with 17 deaths resultant.  Any other numbers are rectal extraction figures.
1/22/2020 6:13:06 PM EDT
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Definitely were some unusual animals cooked up and for sale by street vendors when I was there...
1/22/2020 6:43:09 PM EDT
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This is why we need to colonize other planets. And not invite these MFers.
1/22/2020 6:44:58 PM EDT
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Definitely were some unusual animals cooked up and for sale by street vendors when I was there...
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I have seen rats hanging by their tails in San-Fran China Town store front windows (1980's & 1990's) so I can imagine what it is like in China.
1/22/2020 6:56:31 PM EDT
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[New pneumonia, the source of edible rodents] A team of experts in China has said that it is highly likely that wild animals such as rodents sold as food in the market were the source of infection. China has a “wild taste” habit of eating wildlife, and authorities are struggling to respond.
Year of the Rat begins in 3 days.
1/22/2020 6:58:47 PM EDT
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Year of the Rat begins in 3 days.
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[New pneumonia, the source of edible rodents] A team of experts in China has said that it is highly likely that wild animals such as rodents sold as food in the market were the source of infection. China has a “wild taste” habit of eating wildlife, and authorities are struggling to respond.
Year of the Rat begins in 3 days.
Someone got a head start.
1/22/2020 7:00:40 PM EDT
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This is why we need to colonize other planets. And not invite these MFers.
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This is why we need to colonize other planets. And not invite these MFers.
Dat sounds like some racist-ass bullshit.
1/22/2020 7:01:34 PM EDT
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Someone got a head start.
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[New pneumonia, the source of edible rodents] A team of experts in China has said that it is highly likely that wild animals such as rodents sold as food in the market were the source of infection. China has a “wild taste” habit of eating wildlife, and authorities are struggling to respond.
Year of the Rat begins in 3 days.
Someone got a head start.
That reply + your avatar =
1/22/2020 7:09:21 PM EDT
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1/22/2020 7:09:45 PM EDT
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Donald Trump says America has a plan to contain the spread of a deadly new virus from China after the first case was confirmed in the states.

The President, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, praised the Centers for Disease Control and said the situation was being handled 'very well'.


^^^^^^^ Judge in Seattle/Portland/San Fran; NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, You can't do that^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Calling it now.

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I was watching a feed from Davos about A.I. and a Chinese reporter was coughing and hacking all over the mic that was being passed around. Nobody after him or the person passing it out gave it a second thought.
1/22/2020 7:24:10 PM EDT
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I was watching a feed from Davos about A.I. and a Chinese reporter was coughing and hacking all over the mic that was being passed around. Nobody after him or the person passing it out gave it a second thought.
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Donald Trump says America has a plan to contain the spread of a deadly new virus from China after the first case was confirmed in the states.

The President, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, praised the Centers for Disease Control and said the situation was being handled 'very well'.


^^^^^^^ Judge in Seattle/Portland/San Fran; NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, You can't do that^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Calling it now.

DM
I was watching a feed from Davos about A.I. and a Chinese reporter was coughing and hacking all over the mic that was being passed around. Nobody after him or the person passing it out gave it a second thought.
That could be some poetic justice/karma at work right there.
1/22/2020 7:28:23 PM EDT
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Or this;

The Chinese food market at the centre of the deadly SARS-like virus outbreak was selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolf pups for locals to cook and eat.

The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan in China came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Chinese officials said the coronavirus may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.

The market has since been closed and has been labelled 'ground zero' by local authorities.


DM Rag
1/22/2020 7:28:30 PM EDT
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Eventually the world's population will need a check, and mother nature will provide it
It's probably gonna be bad when it happens
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True. Mother nature will always win. How long has it been since the last really deadly pandemic?
1/22/2020 7:48:57 PM EDT
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True. Mother nature will always win. How long has it been since the last really deadly pandemic?
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~1917.

My Grandmother died.

Horrible pandemic.
1/22/2020 7:50:09 PM EDT
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Or this;

The Chinese food market at the centre of the deadly SARS-like virus outbreak was selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolf pups for locals to cook and eat.

The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan in China came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Chinese officials said the coronavirus may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.

The market has since been closed and has been labelled 'ground zero' by local authorities.


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I know whenever I ma am hungry, I'm like "let's go down and pick out a wolf puppy to eat."
1/22/2020 7:51:02 PM EDT
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I know whenever I ma am hungry, I'm like "let's go down and pick out a wolf puppy to eat."
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I often partake of Koalas from Chinese markets myself.
1/22/2020 7:54:26 PM EDT
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Lol how else would you do it?
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I'd start with a not cheery picking an unreliable source for information just because it fits my narrative...
1/22/2020 8:05:42 PM EDT
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Or this;

The Chinese food market at the centre of the deadly SARS-like virus outbreak was selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolf pups for locals to cook and eat.

The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan in China came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Chinese officials said the coronavirus may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.

The market has since been closed and has been labelled 'ground zero' by local authorities.


DM Rag
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Or this;

The Chinese food market at the centre of the deadly SARS-like virus outbreak was selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolf pups for locals to cook and eat.

The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan in China came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Chinese officials said the coronavirus may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.

The market has since been closed and has been labelled 'ground zero' by local authorities.


DM Rag
?????:“?????”?????,????,?????

Chinese eat these damn things...
1/22/2020 8:19:31 PM EDT
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This is why we need to colonize other planets. And not invite these MFers.
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So damn true!
1/22/2020 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Dat sounds like some racist-ass bullshit.
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"For varying values of MFer"

China, India, eastern European countries, whatever.. it's preposterous that a country should have a space program and also have people that skindive into cesspools to unclog sewers by hand.
1/22/2020 8:47:14 PM EDT
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Coronavirus so far seems faulty benign as far as viruses go.

The flu kills more per year handily.
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The flu kills 3-4% of people infected and spreads like the common cold?
1/22/2020 8:49:19 PM EDT
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1/22/2020 9:01:59 PM EDT
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1/22/2020 9:02:26 PM EDT
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Watching "Contagion" now. Spooky how similar the plot is to this virus. They track the virus from bat to pig to bat and to human. They also call it a "novel" virus several times.





1/22/2020 9:02:41 PM EDT
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Just a guess, going to see a jump in numbers, followed by another, repeat.
1/22/2020 9:07:14 PM EDT
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We should close our borders
1/22/2020 9:08:03 PM EDT
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Terrifying.
1/22/2020 9:12:48 PM EDT
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so have we started panic buying masks yet?
1/22/2020 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Quick, introduce it to the Seattle City Council!
1/22/2020 9:26:33 PM EDT
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We should panic buy all the things. Listen, we all survived swine flu, avian flu, SARS, Ebola, etc. Our number is up, gents! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! PANIC!

Or use good hygiene.
1/22/2020 9:31:33 PM EDT
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I need to point something out.

People are computing the death rate of 17 deaths from 500 confirmed cases.

This is not accurate and a common misconception.

Most people that are dying have been symptomatic for around 2 weeks or so before they die.

Confirmed cases precede death cases by about 2 weeks

So to get an accurate death rate per confirmed case ( not all cases will be confirmed, hopefully there are lots of people that don't get very sick and don't seek medical attentions, but we don't know this yet ) you have to divide the number of deaths today by the number of cases from 2 weeks ago.

2 weeks ago there were much less than 100 cases. But let's use 100 to make the math easier. 17/100 is 17% death rate.

It is probably closer to 20% or more.

ETA: as of a short time ago, confirmed cases are up to 582. It is expanding exponentially. 2 days ago it was 291.
1/22/2020 10:13:17 PM EDT
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The Chinese food market at the centre of the deadly SARS-like virus outbreak was selling live koalas, snakes, rats and wolf pups for locals to cook and eat.

The Huanan Seafood Market in the central city of Wuhan in China came under scrutiny on Wednesday after Chinese officials said the coronavirus may have originated in a wild animal sold at the food emporium.

The market has since been closed and has been labelled 'ground zero' by local authorities.


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People really don't understand how barbaric some ethnic Chinese can be. These freaking people and their 'traditional' medicines. They've even brokered deals for dead baby ashes to snort.

I'm saying that as a person whose best friends growing up were Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian..
1/22/2020 10:14:59 PM EDT
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Chinese eat these damn things...
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Looks tasty to me...

Better than squirrel...
1/22/2020 10:25:27 PM EDT
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I migt grab a box at work
1/22/2020 10:32:28 PM EDT
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I need to point something out.

People are computing the death rate of 17 deaths from 500 confirmed cases.

This is not accurate and a common misconception.

Most people that are dying have been symptomatic for around 2 weeks or so before they die.

Confirmed cases precede death cases by about 2 weeks

So to get an accurate death rate per confirmed case ( not all cases will be confirmed, hopefully there are lots of people that don't get very sick and don't seek medical attentions, but we don't know this yet ) you have to divide the number of deaths today by the number of cases from 2 weeks ago.

2 weeks ago there were much less than 100 cases. But let's use 100 to make the math easier. 17/100 is 17% death rate.

It is probably closer to 20% or more.

ETA: as of a short time ago, confirmed cases are up to 582. It is expanding exponentially. 2 days ago it was 291.
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The real elephant in the room is how much can we trust the numbers coming out of China? They appear on the surface to be heading towards more transparency this week but who trusts them?
They sat on the SARS outbreak and have obviously tried to suppress this one as best they could.
It may be a few more weeks before we have much in the way of numbers to understand where we really stand with this unknown virus. Hopefully it's a big nothing that goes away quickly... hopefully.
But the fact that they quarantined a whole city of 11m + in population is unprecedented in recent history and shows they're more concerned than they've let on up to now.
We'll see...
1/22/2020 10:45:02 PM EDT
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Can we call it Ncov 2019 for short?

ETA: Do the loose fitting, tied on masks that I see Asian people wearing offer any real protection against something like this?
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It's SARS 2020-1
1/22/2020 10:47:34 PM EDT
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Looks tasty to me...

Better than squirrel...
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Chinese eat these damn things...
Looks tasty to me...

Better than squirrel...
He's actually a good chef, and he prepared it quite well. It does not change the fact that it is a big fuckin' rat thats been stir fried with some bamboo.
1/22/2020 10:47:41 PM EDT
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That beleaguered city needs a pick-me-up.  The NBA should put in an exhibition game in Wuhans biggest venue.
1/22/2020 10:55:03 PM EDT
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Watching "Contagion" now. Spooky how similar the plot is to this virus. They track the virus from bat to pig to bat and to human. They also call it a "novel" virus several times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtwmeT6TMFs

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That just looks like SanFrancisco.
1/22/2020 10:56:33 PM EDT
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Good are fucking planets needs a cleansing. 5 billion on this planet is way too much
1/22/2020 10:59:08 PM EDT
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That just looks like SanFrancisco.
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The Jude Law "tin foil" character lives in San Fran.
1/22/2020 11:07:54 PM EDT
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Not compared to North America

Asians (particularly Japanese) have a social norm of everyday normal people masking when they are sick, or just preventative when well.

When is the last time you saw people masking outside of a hospital in the US? Americans go out and cough without cover, or maybe into their hands, and then don't wash their hands.

Yea, we have a lower pop density and far less public transit, and so we get away with it, but if we masked like Asians, cold and flu season would be way less bad.

But our obese smoking/vaping types can't handle the inconvenience of the mask... and otherwise healthy Americans just can't be bothered. Americans wear CPAP masks in bed, not droplet masks when out.

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I went to the clinic some years back for a different issue. As I walked up to the counter to sign in, there was an 8x10 sign that said, "If you're sneezing or coughing, please use a complimentary mask out of consideration for other patients in the waiting room", along with a box of masks on the counter.

How many of the numerous people sneezing or hacking up a lung, made use of the masks provided for free? NONE.

Neither common sense, nor common courtesy are common anymore. Most people don't give a damn about whether they get anyone else sick, once they themselves are sick.
1/22/2020 11:14:54 PM EDT
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Overcrowded pig and chicken superfarms. Even worse, that some are literally next to each other.

I used to think Islam was a little over-the-top with their, "Pigs are unclean" bit, but the reality is, that pigs are a bridge for mutations of viruses that previously couldn't infect humans.
1/22/2020 11:22:13 PM EDT
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Hong Kong Health Department is holding a presser. Not in English so far.

https://www.reuters.com/livevideo

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