[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Starship troopers. The real one. (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 3/12/2013 5:27:33 PM EDT
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Holy hell, I know books are always better than the movie, but HOLY HELL! They bear so little resemblance to one another other than a few names, they really are two totally different stories. The movie is about killing bugs, the book is about anything but!
If you haven't read it, you're depriving yourself of a wonderful experience. DO IT! |
| The book is definitely NOTHING like the movie. I've heard that the director/writer/whatever of the movie started reading the book and said it was "too depressing" so he stopped and just made the movie how it was. I personally think that the movie and book were both terrible..could not get into the book at all and did not enjoy it. |
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You are just now reading it? Its been out since 1959. I left the movie theater half way through that abomination.
Oh, they've got no time for glory in the Infantry. Oh, they've got no use for praises loudly sung, But in every soldier's heart in all the Infantry Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young. |
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The book is definitely NOTHING like the movie. I've heard that the director/writer/whatever of the movie started reading the book and said it was "too depressing" so he stopped and just made the movie how it was. I personally think that the movie and book were both terrible..could not get into the book at all and did not enjoy it. Not an infantryman. |
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The book is definitely NOTHING like the movie. I've heard that the director/writer/whatever of the movie started reading the book and said it was "too depressing" so he stopped and just made the movie how it was. I personally think that the movie and book were both terrible..could not get into the book at all and did not enjoy it. Not an infantryman. As an Infantryman, I approve this message. Note to self, find Mobile Infantry Morale patch. |
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You are just now reading it? Its been out since 1959. I left the movie theater half way through that abomination. Yeah, I loathe science fiction, but enough friends kept telling me to read it, so I bought it and just read it in less than 24 hours. It would have been less, but some dumbass blew his house up. 
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The book is definitely NOTHING like the movie. I've heard that the director/writer/whatever of the movie started reading the book and said it was "too depressing" so he stopped and just made the movie how it was. I personally think that the movie and book were both terrible..could not get into the book at all and did not enjoy it. Not an infantryman.  ...the book was recommended to me by an Infantryman a few years back....
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You are just now reading it? Its been out since 1959. I left the movie theater half way through that abomination. Yeah, I loathe science fiction, but enough friends kept telling me to read it, so I bought it and just read it in less than 24 hours. It would have been less, but some dumbass blew his house up. A lot of the best so-called "sci fi" is actually speculative sociology set in the future. Welcome to the genera. |
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I'm normally an insatiable bookworm. I've read Atlas Shrugged 4 times, for FUN. I've read "The Corps" series at least 5 times, almost all of the the out of the Ashes series twice, and so many other historical biographies that I've lost count. About once a year, the wife and I sell most of what we've accumulated. Right now I think we have about 200 books out in the she that need to be sorted and sold. 
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You are just now reading it? Its been out since 1959. I left the movie theater half way through that abomination. Yeah, I loathe science fiction, but enough friends kept telling me to read it, so I bought it and just read it in less than 24 hours. It would have been less, but some dumbass blew his house up. I usually hate Fiction entirely but I read Starship troopers on a recomendation from a buddy and that lead me to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress which is fucking fantastic. Enders Game is another good one. |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. Heinlein has about 40 other books I want to read first. They're not all as good. My other favorite of his is The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Yeah, read Armor. I like it better than starship troopers to be honest. |
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Interesting tidbit from the wiki article of the book:
There is an explicit contrast to the "democracies of the 20th century", which according to the novel, collapsed because "people had been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted... and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears."[17] Indeed, Colonel Dubois criticizes as unrealistic the famous U.S. Declaration of Independence line concerning "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but the Colonel claims life and liberty exist only if they are deliberately sought and, often, bought painfully by great effort and sacrifice.
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although the big themes from the book are gone in the movie a surprising amount of stuff in the movie was in the book, including some dialogue word for word
but then there is other stuff that they sort of took but then twisted around, like Zim's career a faithful movie would be more of a drama than an action movie |
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Quoted: Holy hell, I know books are always better than the movie, but HOLY HELL! They bear so little resemblance to one another other than a few names, they really are two totally different stories. The movie is about killing bugs, the book is about anything but! If you haven't read it, you're depriving yourself of a wonderful experience. DO IT! Now you know why anyone that read the book hates the movie, I played the board game some as a child. Service Guarantees Citizenship |
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Interesting tidbit from the wiki article of the book: There is an explicit contrast to the "democracies of the 20th century", which according to the novel, collapsed because "people had been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted... and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears."[17] Indeed, Colonel Dubois criticizes as unrealistic the famous U.S. Declaration of Independence line concerning "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but the Colonel claims life and liberty exist only if they are deliberately sought and, often, bought painfully by great effort and sacrifice. Yeah, that particular section, I went from "i'll fucking burn this book!" to "FUCKING RIGHT ON!" in like, 2 lines.
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although the big themes from the book are gone in the movie a surprising amount of stuff in the movie was in the book, including some dialogue word for word but then there is other stuff that they sort of took but then twisted around, like Zim's career a faithful movie would be more of a drama than an action movie Dizzy had a penis 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. Heinlein has about 40 other books I want to read first. They're not all as good. My other favorite of his is The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Yup. . . . I liked Mistress better than ST . |
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Isn't ST (the book) where the soldiers in Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down) got the name "Skinnies" from? "I am a 30 second bomb" Although I think Skinny may have been a derogatory term in the British Army for Indians first. Doesn't it show up in Kippling too? |
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Quoted: I'm normally an insatiable bookworm. I've read Atlas Shrugged 4 times, for FUN. I've read "The Corps" series at least 5 times, almost all of the the out of the Ashes series twice, and so many other historical biographies that I've lost count. About once a year, the wife and I sell most of what we've accumulated. Right now I think we have about 200 books out in the she that need to be sorted and sold. Id be interested in the 'Ashes' series ......... |
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If you liked the book, pick up a book called "Armor" by Steakley. Heinlein has about 40 other books I want to read first. They get weird and queer towards the end... Wouldn't "queer" actually be father fucking? And a planet where the Second Law of Thermodymanics prevents heavier than air craft from fluing. 
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I've read Starship Troopers 8 or 9 times in the last 30 years. I'll read it a few more times if I live long enough.
Armor is good, too. Read it twice now. Another good one is "Old Man's War" and the sequel to it, "Ghost Brigades". When I was younger Starship Troopers was just a good book. Then I found out (3rd or 4th time I read it) that the liberal/progressive/socialists really hated it because of the concepts/ideas set forth in the book. That made me like it even more. The idea that in order to vote or hold public office you have to be prior military. The idea that women are special and should be protected from combat. The idea that honestey, honor, tradition are important and have great meaning to an civliization that expects to last. And many others. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ............ Enders Game is another good one. I much prefer Card to Heinlen . The whole 'Ender' series is incredible SciFi reading . Big +1 there. Loved the follow up on Bean. Speaker for the Dead was a bit slow and took me forever to get through, but was still good - and the ending of the whole series was pretty impressive. Definitely top class sci-fi from beginning to end. As far as preferring Card over Heinlein... Meh. They are both good, but they do things in different ways. Both are excellent at what they do. By far my favorite scifi short of any type is Heinlein's The Long Watch. The Forever War(Joe Haldeman) is another good scifi war book. |
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I've read Three of Heinlein's books:
1) Starship Troopers: Read it solely because the movie was made. I read the book first and absolutely loved it. I enjoyed the movie but it wasn't "Starship Troopers". 2) Farnham's Freehold: Enjoyed it 3) Stranger in a Strange Land: Did not like it at all and quit reading Heinlein books after that. |
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"Last Centurions" By Jonh Ringo
Check out http://thelastcenturion.com/ He has a lot of books out. I've read them all. Best Military SciFi writer out there in my opinion. I liked Tunnel in the Sky almost as muuch as Star Ship Troopers. Robert Heinlein’s views on: Citizenship Citizenship is an attitude, a state of mind, an emotional convection that the whole is greater then the part....and that the part should be humbly proud to sacrifice itself that the whole may live. Morality Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not born with it. We acquire moral sense, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. What is moral sense? It is an elaboration of the instinct to survive. The instinct to survive is human nature itself, and every aspect of our personalities derives from it. Anything that conflicts with the survival instinct acts sooner or later to eliminate the individual and thereby fails to show up in future generations. The truth is mathematically demonstrable, everywhere verifiable; it is the single eternal imperative controlling everything we do. The instinct to survive can be cultivated into motivations more subtle and much more complex then the blind, brute urge of the individual to stay alive. The basis of all morality is duty, a concept with the same relation to group that self-interest has to individual. Value Nothing of value is free. Even the air we breath is purchased at birth only through gasping effort and pain. If everyone had to sweat for the things they own, just as a baby must struggle to live, we would all be happier. "The best things in life are free." Not true! Utterly false! Two factors for a human being are; first, what can he do with a thing, it's "use" to us, and second, what we must do to get it, it's "cost." The best things in life are beyond money; their price is agony sweat and devotion...... and the price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself. --- ultimate cost for perfect value. R. Heinlein |
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The book is definitely NOTHING like the movie. I've heard that the director/writer/whatever of the movie started reading the book and said it was "too depressing" so he stopped and just made the movie how it was. I personally think that the movie and book were both terrible..could not get into the book at all and did not enjoy it. Not an infantryman. As an Infantryman, I approve this message. Note to self, find Mobile Infantry Morale patch. A buddy gave me one years ago, said "Everybody Drops. Everybody Fights" and had a skull with a stack of bones below it. I can't find it anymore. 
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Holy hell, I know books are always better than the movie, but HOLY HELL! They bear so little resemblance to one another other than a few names, they really are two totally different stories. The movie is about killing bugs, the book is about anything but! If you haven't read it, you're depriving yourself of a wonderful experience. DO IT! That's great and all, but did the book have co-ed showers? Did it? |