[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sig takes out another one, Ben Stoeger banned from both Facebook and Instagram (Page 2 of 4)
Anyone looking to get better at pistol shooting would be well off looking in to Ben’s content. I’ve made leaps and bounds after studying and following his free content he puts out. Hoping to take a class from him next time he’s teaching in Texas. The added internet drama and shit talking is just icing on the cake. 
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Quoted: Has anyone in the thread watched the video yet? No mentions of the slides of the other person's IG post that were discussed? Nobody mentioning how the slides basically say sig doesn't care what happens on the civvie market and that they apparently didn't believe the earlier drop failures were real and they only did hte voluntary recall becase their lawyers forced them to? I saw that, I don’t know the original source but it was posted across multiple accounts. Might be true. Might be BS. Given Sigs apparent culture would not be surprised if it was true. |
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Ben Stoeger is the only gun tube guy I watch regularly or bought training materials from. He's not afraid to go after entrenched stupid ideas and group think. Also, if he has a preference, he doesnt say that it's his way the highway. I especially found this to be when he was discussing the VP9 and his non preference for paddle release, but in all other aspects, the VP9 was fine. His training videos are great and his books are good too. |
 Kicked from the gram and some new equipment |
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Quoted: Stoeger is a competitive shooter and internet troll/shit stirrer. He's been beating Sig up on YouTube over the 320. Trex is a holster company that was started by a young man who makes YouTube shooting videos. His partners/family basically kicked him out of the company and Stoeger has sided with the young man. Stoeger admits he likes internet drama but I think he's probably on the right side of these. he is pretty blunt and doesn't care who he offends He's not anti P320, he just thinks Sig is handling all of this poorly, or maybe comically. Jay |
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Kicked from the gram and some new equipment Ben doesn't seem to care either way. Jay |
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Quoted: Anyone looking to get better at pistol shooting would be well off looking in to Ben's content. I've made leaps and bounds after studying and following his free content he puts out. Hoping to take a class from him next time he's teaching in Texas. The added internet drama and shit talking is just icing on the cake. |
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Quoted: I have the same questions. Quoted: Quoted: Who is ben stoeger r and why would I care? And for that matter, who the hell is T. Rex why would I care about that either? Both are serious questions I have the same questions. I don’t know much about T.Rex, but off the top of my head IIRC, But Stoeger is a guy who was like 19, decided to get into shooting about 20 years ago, bought a stock Beretta 92, got around one or two thousand rounds of ammo from friend and relatives for his birthday and Christmas, started practicing, Went to a USPSA classifier, and became a GM right then and there. He has been number one, two, or three in the world at IPSC production world championships, US IPSC production 2nd place or 1st place champion half a dozen times, and maybe eight or nine USPSA production championships. And a thorn in the side to USPSA shenanigans. He is to Production shooting sort of what Tom Brady is like to quarterbacks. Yeah, he has put in the time, effort, and work- But had a level of natural ability and potential off the charts. And to trash / shit talking sort of like Jordan, Bird, and Ali were. Anyone more versed in the details feel free to expand or correct. |
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Quoted: Stoeger is a competitive shooter and internet troll/shit stirrer. He's been beating Sig up on YouTube over the 320. Trex is a holster company that was started by a young man who makes YouTube shooting videos. His partners/family basically kicked him out of the company and Stoeger has sided with the young man. Stoeger admits he likes internet drama but I think he's probably on the right side of these. he is pretty blunt and doesn't care who he offends Thanks for taking the time to explain. |
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Quoted: He is obviously a troll but he doesn't hold back and slays a lot of sacred cows that needed to be slain that nobody else had the balls to touch including but not limited to: -Juiced up Brovets who can't shoot for shit selling tactical knowledge. -The Staccato is not a duty weapon. -The mutually masturbatory nature of the shooting/training industry. -Instructors with cult-like followings that are actually teaching shitty techniques that they want to keep "secret sauce". -Instagram gunfluencers selling overpriced hypebeast products that don't actually do shit. And so on...... He's the first dude with actual credentials and a platform calling out a lot of shit that needed to be called out over the past 2 decades. You have to respect the fact that he has no sponsors, and his main source of income which is his training classes, he gives away for 100% free on youtube. If the industry was actually honest with itself and allowed for free form criticism, then we wouldn't need Ben around. But until then.... Yep. Was going to type this but now I don't have to. |
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Quoted: You've been around long enough to remember that we're not allowed to say mean things about Troy. Advertisers are the real customers of social media sites. Quoted: Quoted: How would SIG get him banned? tagged for info You've been around long enough to remember that we're not allowed to say mean things about Troy. Advertisers are the real customers of social media sites. To be fair, It would be wrong to say mean things about any companies, even if said company have gone out of their way to hire men who shoot unarmed women holding babies, claiming those babies were loaded shotguns, and the issue was later settled for millions at a civil trial. |
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Quoted: It looks like "killing the messenger" has been the primary Sig corporate strategy to overcome the current controversies. Ben has been a constant and entertaining source of controversy, but it's hard to believe that this has anything to do with anything other than sig, seeing as how all of his content from the past few days have been directly Sig related.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxyuE6NIfhwI would not call mr “Dooty Project” entertaining. He’s really just a Giant asshole who makes the entire shooting community (and especially the shooting sports) look bad. I agree with Aimless’ description of Ben a few posts up; Ben is a “internet troll/shit stirrer.” And I don’t have an opinion one way or the other on the current Sig situation. |
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Quoted: So was Ben actually banned because of Sig or are people just saying that and repeating it to stir up more drama? Like we need more of it I would think he would address that with a yt video asap if it was true. I’d suspect it’s just a normal time out/ban from FB/IG. I like Ben a lot, but he likes to push the limits on rules and it’s got him in trouble on social media before. Sig’s reach would be scary long if they could get someone banned from FB just for shit talking them. |
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Quoted: I’d suspect it’s just a normal time out/ban from FB/IG. I like Ben a lot, but he likes to push the limits on rules and it’s got him in trouble on social media before. Sig’s reach would be scary long if they could get someone banned from FB just for shit talking them. It’s not hard to do at all. All you need is enough people to report an account for whatever and the algorithm will nuke it. |
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Quoted: I’m not going to say he should be banned. Only leftists should be deplatformed and refused entrance into the town square of ideas. But that guy was WILDLY annoying with his self-insertion into every little bit of gun community drama, particularly where he was neither needed nor wanted. Gunslaps levels of gonzo reporting. No one is going to miss his uninvolved takes except those that like controversy for controversy sake. Lol. I'll take a Grandmaster level USPSA shooter, successful author and instructor over 90% of the rest of the contributing gun tuber types. Only people who hate Stoeger are those whose egos get hurt. |
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Quoted: Only leftists should be deplatformed and refused entrance into the town square of ideas. How very… leftist of you. But that guy was WILDLY annoying with his self-insertion into every little bit of gun community drama, particularly where he was neither needed nor wanted. Then don’t click on his content, or make your ignore list bigger. That easy. You are supremely ignorant if you think that drama is all he contributes to the shooting community. |
| Sig is going to lose the faith of the entire gun community and it won't just be around this one offering of theirs. I could see Sig disintegrating over this, they really should have just admitted there was an issue and fixed it. Continuing to play this game will be their demise. |
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Quoted: Who is ben stoeger r and why would I care? And for that matter, who the hell is T. Rex why would I care about that either? Both are serious questions He’s a professional comp shooter and instructor, he’s arrogant, talks shit, and he is FANTASTIC! He’s funny too. He sells on line, good prices, and the shipping is quick. I’m a fan. |
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He came up in my algorithms the other day along with all the other YouTube gun folks I watch. I don’t usually watch people like his but I did watch the video as it was about the P320 shooting people for no reason. If sig had him banned for speaking the truth they are a bunch of snowflakes. However they have to be kind of sad and butt hurt right now after winning all those contracts and getting so much justified hate and roasting from the military and civilian market across the internet. |
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Quoted: He is obviously a troll but he doesn't hold back and slays a lot of sacred cows that needed to be slain that nobody else had the balls to touch including but not limited to: -Juiced up Brovets who can't shoot for shit selling tactical knowledge. -The Staccato is not a duty weapon. -The mutually masturbatory nature of the shooting/training industry. -Instructors with cult-like followings that are actually teaching shitty techniques that they want to keep "secret sauce". -Instagram gunfluencers selling overpriced hypebeast products that don't actually do shit. And so on...... He's the first dude with actual credentials and a platform calling out a lot of shit that needed to be called out over the past 2 decades. You have to respect the fact that he has no sponsors, and his main source of income which is his training classes, he gives away for 100% free on youtube. If the industry was actually honest with itself and allowed for free form criticism, then we wouldn't need Ben around. But until then.... ^TPMFNI! I would like to subscribe to your newsletter! I could not have said it better myself... |
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Quoted: Who is ben stoeger r and why would I care? And for that matter, who the hell is T. Rex why would I care about that either? Both are serious questions Stoeger is a professional shooter who likes to instigate things. Think of him as the Woody Woodpecker of the shooting world. TRex is a gun accessories company that the founder just left for reasons. The founder is known for making holsters, shooting way above average, being thin, and wearing skinny jeans. |
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Quoted: I would not call mr “Dooty Project” entertaining. He’s really just a Giant asshole who makes the entire shooting community (and especially the shooting sports) look bad. I agree with Aimless’ description of Ben a few posts up; Ben is a “internet troll/shit stirrer.” And I don’t have an opinion one way or the other on the current Sig situation. Quoted: Quoted: It looks like "killing the messenger" has been the primary Sig corporate strategy to overcome the current controversies. Ben has been a constant and entertaining source of controversy, but it's hard to believe that this has anything to do with anything other than sig, seeing as how all of his content from the past few days have been directly Sig related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxyuE6NIfhwI would not call mr “Dooty Project” entertaining. He’s really just a Giant asshole who makes the entire shooting community (and especially the shooting sports) look bad. I agree with Aimless’ description of Ben a few posts up; Ben is a “internet troll/shit stirrer.” And I don’t have an opinion one way or the other on the current Sig situation. I could not disagree more. USPSA directors and misbehaving shooters and gun bunnies are the ones that make the shooting community look bad. Stoeger and the Doodie Project only pointed out the hypocrisy and criminality. |
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Quoted: Well, I mean, you're not wrong, but that diminishes his true talent. He’s wrong though. Stoeger isn’t a content creator in that he’s not doing it as a full time, paying gig which to me is what “content creator” means. He’s also not taking money or gear in exchange for reviews. His main source of income is training. |
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Quoted: I could not disagree more. USPSA directors and misbehaving shooters and gun bunnies are the ones that make the shooting community look bad. Stoeger and the Doodie Project only pointed out the hypocrisy and criminality. 100% He’s called out plenty of shitbag cheaters. Tony Cowden and Matt Little off the top of my head. |