[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG “ The P320. It ends today.” (Page 92 of 142)
The striker or the striker safety "block"?
https://www.twz.com/land/army-making-no-changes-to-its-sig-p320-derived-pistols-after-concerning-fbi-report |
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https://www.twz.com/land/army-making-no-changes-to-its-sig-p320-derived-pistols-after-concerning-fbi-report Wow not good for Sig I’m not surprised their customer service is terrible and they have a total FU attitude Just fix your POS gun!!!! |
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Watched a minute of him begging for likes and gave up |
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Quoted: Watched a minute of him begging for likes and gave up Quoted: Watched a minute of him begging for likes and gave up Yeah, he seemingly compiles good info, but I only made it halfway through. |
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Quoted: Watched a minute of him begging for likes and gave up Quoted: Watched a minute of him begging for likes and gave up Same, that was unwatchable |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/195/P320_striker_safeties_pre_vs_post_png-3588558.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/195/p320-review-old-striker-vs-new-striker-g-3588573.JPG Interesting comparison between the pre and post-voluntary upgrade designs. Anyone have a non-upgraded gun and want to take a few whacks at it with a mallet?  Kharn That striker.... That's just comical. |
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Quoted: Glocks were already in the supply chain, yet millions had to be spent to "test" and then buy these dogshit designs (remember the rifles that aren't worth a damn too). People made things happen for a reason, period. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bruh, the m17s and m18s are going off too. The way that contract was “won” is suspect more and more everyday, someone needs to go to jail over it This. And not just because I prefer Glocks, but the absolute nonsense of the "trials" in the first place. The military spent decades and millions of $$$.......and wound up with a pistol that had problems from the outset. Mark Milley was spot on. Glocks were already in the supply chain, yet millions had to be spent to "test" and then buy these dogshit designs (remember the rifles that aren't worth a damn too). People made things happen for a reason, period. I don't think it works quite the way your post implies. Glocks were already in the supply chain, but they were there for non-standard use. I'm pretty sure choosing anything other than a M9 variant would have required some form of trial. I don't think Glock would have had an exception just because SOCOM was playing with them already. |
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Quoted: Yup, call it P32022…..that’s what you would have. It’s too bad they didn’t push the 2022 more…. Quoted: Quoted: You know what would be better? Putting a damn hammer back in the thing. The P226 has a better trigger than the P320 ever can, and it is as safe a firearm as has ever been made. Yup, call it P32022…..that’s what you would have. It’s too bad they didn’t push the 2022 more…. In an interesting alternate timeline the P2022 gets a makeover similar to what the Ruger RXM is to the Glock 19 and is rebadged as something like “P247” and is a cool pistol everyone adores as being a modern and economical offspring of an already cherished heritage of pistols from SIG. Instead we get this ugly pile of shitty Indian MIM that shoots your nuts off. |
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Quoted: In an interesting alternate timeline the P2022 gets a makeover similar to what the Ruger RXM is to the Glock 19 and is rebadged as something like “P247” and is a cool pistol everyone adores as being a modern and economical offspring of an already cherished heritage of pistols from SIG. Instead we get this ugly pile of shitty Indian MIM that shoots your nuts off. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You know what would be better? Putting a damn hammer back in the thing. The P226 has a better trigger than the P320 ever can, and it is as safe a firearm as has ever been made. Yup, call it P32022…..that’s what you would have. It’s too bad they didn’t push the 2022 more…. In an interesting alternate timeline the P2022 gets a makeover similar to what the Ruger RXM is to the Glock 19 and is rebadged as something like “P247” and is a cool pistol everyone adores as being a modern and economical offspring of an already cherished heritage of pistols from SIG. Instead we get this ugly pile of shitty Indian MIM that shoots your nuts off. Only one nut so far. Only a problem if you're Hitler. |
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Quoted: I don't think it works quite the way your post implies. Glocks were already in the supply chain, but they were there for non-standard use. I'm pretty sure choosing anything other than a M9 variant would have required some form of trial. I don't think Glock would have had an exception just because SOCOM was playing with them already. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bruh, the m17s and m18s are going off too. The way that contract was “won” is suspect more and more everyday, someone needs to go to jail over it This. And not just because I prefer Glocks, but the absolute nonsense of the "trials" in the first place. The military spent decades and millions of $$$.......and wound up with a pistol that had problems from the outset. Mark Milley was spot on. Glocks were already in the supply chain, yet millions had to be spent to "test" and then buy these dogshit designs (remember the rifles that aren't worth a damn too). People made things happen for a reason, period. I don't think it works quite the way your post implies. Glocks were already in the supply chain, but they were there for non-standard use. I'm pretty sure choosing anything other than a M9 variant would have required some form of trial. I don't think Glock would have had an exception just because SOCOM was playing with them already. It absolutely doesn't, wasn't trying to imply that it did...just that the process is 110% retarded. |
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Quoted: Yea it's pretty bad. SIG should just pull the P320 off the market. That would bankrupt them, wouldn't it? Sig is one of the largest firearms manufactures in the world, but buying back over 1 million 320's (a milestone set in 2020) would be expensive, although the right thing to do. My calculation is 1,100,000 at $400 a piece =$440,000,000. |
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Quoted: That would bankrupt them, wouldn't it? Sig is one of the largest firearms manufactures in the world, but buying back over 1 million 320's (a milestone set in 2020) would be expensive, although the right thing to do. My calculation is 1,100,000 at $400 a piece =$440,000,000. Quoted: Quoted: Yea it's pretty bad. SIG should just pull the P320 off the market. That would bankrupt them, wouldn't it? Sig is one of the largest firearms manufactures in the world, but buying back over 1 million 320's (a milestone set in 2020) would be expensive, although the right thing to do. My calculation is 1,100,000 at $400 a piece =$440,000,000. If they can fix it and replace the parts necessary that would reduce the cost. Even selling it as an affordable upgrade would be a better option. Right now it seems to be getting worse. Does the manual thumb safety on the military M17/M18 help in anyway? They should bring back the SP2022. |
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Quoted: Jesus boys, it's getting grim.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/1000029752-3590091.jpg Attached File |
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Quoted: Jesus boys, it's getting grim. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/1000029752-3590091.jpg  holy shit
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Quoted: The sp2022 was and is a great choice of a hammer fired 9mm that was reliable and safe to carry. It was simple and not flashy. It's a representative of sig at a time before its current leadership. Great? lol...no. That gun had horrible ergonomics with a staple gun like trigger. Ive handled and shot a few over the years and never saw the appeal |
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Quoted: Jesus boys, it's getting grim. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/1000029752-3590091.jpg 
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Quoted: You just described every striker fired pistol trigger ever made! The SP2022 trigger is no classic Sig trigger, it certainly isn't close to a striker fired trigger.... Quoted: Quoted: Great? lol...no. That gun had horrible ergonomics with a staple gun like trigger. You just described every striker fired pistol trigger ever made! The SP2022 trigger is no classic Sig trigger, it certainly isn't close to a striker fired trigger.... Attached File |
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Quoted: Great? lol...no. That gun had horrible ergonomics with a staple gun like trigger. Ive handled and shot a few over the years and never saw the appeal Quoted: Quoted: The sp2022 was and is a great choice of a hammer fired 9mm that was reliable and safe to carry. It was simple and not flashy. It's a representative of sig at a time before its current leadership. Great? lol...no. That gun had horrible ergonomics with a staple gun like trigger. Ive handled and shot a few over the years and never saw the appeal I guess we disagree then. The sp2022 has a trigger about like the beretta 92, both of which I have shot very well. I would use the sp2022 over the 320 at the current time. |
 I’m Going Back to Sig Sauer and the P320 TLDW: He's going to some pistol class and is hoping he doesn't get shot in the leg. |
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Quoted: That would bankrupt them, wouldn't it? Sig is one of the largest firearms manufactures in the world, but buying back over 1 million 320's (a milestone set in 2020) would be expensive, although the right thing to do. My calculation is 1,100,000 at $400 a piece =$440,000,000. They would have sold them at wholesale to distributors. To buy them back for what customers paid retail would bury them. |
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Quoted: They would have sold them at wholesale to distributors. To buy them back for what customers paid retail would bury them. Quoted: Quoted: That would bankrupt them, wouldn't it? Sig is one of the largest firearms manufactures in the world, but buying back over 1 million 320's (a milestone set in 2020) would be expensive, although the right thing to do. My calculation is 1,100,000 at $400 a piece =$440,000,000. They would have sold them at wholesale to distributors. To buy them back for what customers paid retail would bury them. IF 320 slides could be converted to 250 spec w/ a little machining, then they could convert the entire fleet to the 250. I think the 250 FCU chassis is the same as the 320 - even if not, it's a cheap piece of stamped steel. Making a million 250 slides from scratch might beyond their financials. |
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Goddammit. Just a rumor as I post this, but there is an Airman dead: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/ |
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Quoted: Goddammit. Just a rumor as I post this, but there is an Airman dead: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/ Not to be morbid but hopefully this is the final nd for sig |
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Quoted: Goddammit. Just a rumor as I post this, but there is an Airman dead: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/ Attached File |
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Has Bruce Gray blown this off yet? |
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Quoted: Just saw this on X from Barrel & Hatchet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32264/IMG_5238_jpeg-3592267.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Goddammit. Just a rumor as I post this, but there is an Airman dead: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32264/IMG_5238_jpeg-3592267.JPG from the arf thread. Quoted: Post in the reddit link indicates gun was in a Safariland holster with QLS fork. Holster removed with gun intact and placed on surface where it discharged in holster. Airman struck in chest. |
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Quoted:  Quoted: From the other thread: Quoted: Bussiere is a four star general, and there are over 30,000 personnel under his command. Installations/AFBs include Barksdale in LA, Minot in ND, Dyess in TX, Ellsworth in SD, Whiteman in MO, Offut in NE, Warren in WY, Malmstrom in MT, Kirtland in NM, and Vandenburg in CA. This is a HUGE scope. |
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Quoted: From the other thread: Quoted: From the other thread: Quoted: Bussiere is a four star general, and there are over 30,000 personnel under his command. Installations/AFBs include Barksdale in LA, Minot in ND, Dyess in TX, Ellsworth in SD, Whiteman in MO, Offut in NE, Warren in WY, Malmstrom in MT, Kirtland in NM, and Vandenburg in CA. This is a HUGE scope. this could be the domino that cancels all of sig's military contracts |
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I find it all so tiresome that when I stopped in the Savannah PSA store last week, they had this whole little area dedicated to SIG stuff. I didn’t even bother even to so much as walk through it. Between all the controversy with the new military rifle. Every contract under the sun. The M18 and its magical ability to not have to finish testing requirements. The constant issues with the 320 and the M18. I see SIG and I just walk on by. I have no doubt they have quality out there but I’m not taking any chances because it’s obvious they would rather gaslight their customers than to acknowledge an issue. It ended with me the day “it ended” |
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Quoted: Jesus boys, it's getting grim. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/1000029752-3590091.jpg
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 Sig M18 Kills Airforce Sergeant |
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Quoted: Goddammit. Just a rumor as I post this, but there is an Airman dead: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Sig-M18-might-have-just-killed-an-Airman/5-2805777/ Why does it almost always take deaths to make the military change? None of the senior leaders in the services and no one on the service staffs have seen the FBI report? I'm writing my congressmen. We are just letting our young men die and get maimed over some cheap piece of shit pistol? What a fucking disgrace. |