[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG “ The P320. It ends today.” (Page 19 of 142)
 No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. |
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Quoted: No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. Quoted: No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. They will blame the holster. But nothing in that re-holstering attempt should cause a gun to fire. And it definitely wouldn't cause my DA/SA to fire after decocking. |
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That was a Derpa holster, which intrudes into trigger guard so no, not irrefutable evidence. Stupid holster + stupid gun = hole in leg. |
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Quoted: No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. Quoted: No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. Serpa |
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Quoted: Anyone else notice that the commercial M17 and M18 are down around $499 now instead of $650? ETA: beat!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128054/Screenshot_20250314-102937_png-3490168.JPG |
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Quoted: Serpa There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster.  |
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Quoted: idk man this one looks like the holster did it Quoted: Quoted: No finger in the trigger guard. No loose clothing or gear around the holster. idk man this one looks like the holster did it If the holster contributed, it was also due to that trigger guard being too thin. In other words, still a design issue with the Sig and frankly, more a fault of the gun than the holster. Guns are supposed to have trigger guards that are functional for their purpose. |
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Quoted: The common issue of the Serpa is when drawing the inward pressure of your trigger finger pressing on the button causes it to slip onto the trigger and fire on the draw. There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Quoted: Quoted: Serpa There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Unfortunately there are about 87 different grip modules for the 320 and they may not all be compatible with any single holster |
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Quoted: idk man this one looks like the holster did it Attached File |
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Quoted: The common issue of the Serpa is when drawing the inward pressure of your trigger finger pressing on the button causes it to slip onto the trigger and fire on the draw. There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Quoted: Quoted: Serpa There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Oof.  https://imidefense.com/product/polymer-retention-paddle-holster-for-sig-sauer-p250-full-size-p320/ |
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Quoted: Unfortunately there are about 87 different grip modules for the 320 and they may not all be compatible with any single holster Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Serpa There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Unfortunately there are about 87 different grip modules for the 320 and they may not all be compatible with any single holster Nearly every OEM frame variant I can think of conforms to either the original or the X shape. The Sig branded holster in question says it supports both. |
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Well this is great, now all bets are totally off on any slim hopes I had of dumping em via LGS consignment.  I gotta listen to my gut. A year or so ago something told me to take them in for consignment, but I kept reading threads in GD which caused me to hesitate. |
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Yep, I remember when they were sold with certain models. |
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I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it. |
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Quoted: I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it. Quoted: I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it. I'm 99% sure my 320 (early model, pre-trigger update) came with a cheap paddle holster, with no retention....I think it even had Sig branding on it?? |
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Quoted: I'm 99% sure my 320 (early model, pre-trigger update) came with a cheap paddle holster, with no retention....I think it even had Sig branding on it?? Quoted: Quoted: I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it. I'm 99% sure my 320 (early model, pre-trigger update) came with a cheap paddle holster, with no retention....I think it even had Sig branding on it?? Could be. I know mine didn't come with it. I remember that you could bend the plastic by squeezing it lightly. |
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Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. Attached File |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG |
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Quoted: I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it. Quoted: I remember getting one of those free with a gun. It wasn't the 320 or 365 though. It was a long time ago. It went straight into the trash. If there is a worse holster than the serpa, that one is it.  This deflection and goal post moving is amazing. Now we have clear video of a competent shooter with good trigger discipline holstering a P320 into a Sig Sauer brand holster that's free of clothing or foreign objects, and the argument is now that Sig shouldn't have sold that holster? 
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Quoted: This deflection and goal post moving is amazing. Now we have clear video of a competent shooter with good trigger discipline holstering a P320 into a Sig Sauer brand holster that's free of clothing or foreign objects, and the argument is now that Sig shouldn't have sold that holster? https://media.tenor.com/wxqEnqhryzoAAAAM/goal-post-moving.gif JFC. The mental gymnastics you tards come up with is amazing. My only comment was how big of a POS that holster is. ETA.... if you think that guy in the video showed competence, then I really don't want to see your standard. |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG What, exactly, do you think is causing the discharge here? If you think the trigger is being pulled, how do you think that is happening? |
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Quoted: That was a Derpa holster, which intrudes into trigger guard so no, not irrefutable evidence. Stupid holster + stupid gun = hole in leg. Quoted: Stupid holster + stupid gun = hole in leg. The Serpa catches the front of the trigger guard, not near the trigger. |
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Quoted: That's not a serpa Quoted: Quoted: The Serpa catches the front of the trigger guard, not near the trigger. That's not a serpa Ok, the IMI Holster, similar to the Serpa and made for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. |
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Quoted: JFC. The mental gymnastics you tards come up with is amazing. My only comment was how big of a POS that holster is. ETA.... if you think that guy in the video showed competence, then I really don't want to see your standard. Quoted: Quoted: This deflection and goal post moving is amazing. Now we have clear video of a competent shooter with good trigger discipline holstering a P320 into a Sig Sauer brand holster that's free of clothing or foreign objects, and the argument is now that Sig shouldn't have sold that holster? https://media.tenor.com/wxqEnqhryzoAAAAM/goal-post-moving.gif JFC. The mental gymnastics you tards come up with is amazing. My only comment was how big of a POS that holster is. ETA.... if you think that guy in the video showed competence, then I really don't want to see your standard. He indexes his finger off the trigger before he comes off target, and he keeps his finger off the trigger all the way from that point to the holster. What else matters in this context? |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG Uh huh And just 2 weeks prior I bet he posted on line: "I call bullshit - My Sig in my safe hasn't gone off yet. It's just dumbass idiots shooting themselves". |
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Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG I’ll piss off both sides of the argument and say that this video doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I don’t see anything that is clearly in the trigger guard…finger, clothing, etc. We also don’t know that it’s a stock gun / holster….unless I missed some information on it. It certainly doesn’t look good though. This would be a perfect gun to do testing on. There is video of what happened…secure the holster to something and load an empty but primed case and see if you could repeat the discharge. If it’s a stock gun and you could get it to repeat on video then all the questions get put to bed. |
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Attached File LOL. I've been telling you ladies for years. But NOOOOOO Spank is wrong. hahahaha |
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Quoted: I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG Please explain how you manipulate a Serpa-style holster (don't want anyone to nitpick) while holstering and keeping your finger straight. There's some blindness here, but it's not from the 320 detractors. |
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Quoted: I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. Why don't you watch the video instead of looking at the screen grab. His finger is clearly off the holster when he seats it and the gun goes off. Given your explanation any Serpa style holster will cause the gun to discharge if the gun were to be pushed downward while in the holster- and that's certainly not the case. Safariland GLS holsters lock into the trigger guard as well. |
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Quoted: I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. Quoted: Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. You need to go watch the video again. There is no way you can push the pistol far enough down into the holster to have the trigger touch the latch. |
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Quoted: The common issue of the Serpa is when drawing the inward pressure of your trigger finger pressing on the button causes it to slip onto the trigger and fire on the draw. There should not be a way for the Serpa lock to hit the trigger if the holster is made for the model of gun used, it only should hit the front edge of the trigger guard. Also, for full clarity it's an IMI RHS holster, which works on a similar mechanism to the Serpa. Additionally, in the past Sig sold the IMI RHS holster as co-branded official Sig merchandise, so apparently they felt there was no issue with the holster. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/siggeroof2-3490357.gif Get outta here with those facts. It isn't replicatable! |
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Quoted: Not unless there's some modified weird longer front trigger shoe. The gun bottoms out in the holster before the lock lever can reach the trigger itself. It gets just behind the front of the trigger guard and that's it. Quoted: Quoted: I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. This is a screenshot of IMI's Glock model as seen in a crappy YouTube video:  Compare that view of the locking tab with the position of the lever in this photo: It locks on the front of the trigger guard. |
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Quoted: You need to go watch the video again. There is no way you can push the pistol far enough down into the holster to have the trigger touch the latch. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. You need to go watch the video again. There is no way you can push the pistol far enough down into the holster to have the trigger touch the latch. Watching the slow mow of it, something is fucky. He was pushing downward on the pistol, it should have locked into the holster with how mush pressure he was putting on it. You can clearly tell after the round went off, it wasn't secured though. |
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Quoted: Watching the slow mow of it, something is fucky. He was pushing downward on the pistol, it should have locked into the holster with how mush pressure he was putting on it. You can clearly tell after the round went off, it wasn't secured though. I find it very difficult to tell if the pistol (afterwards) is in the weird position that it is because of the detonation / slide movement / etc or not I.e., it may have seated properly, then the round going off caused it to become dislodged or Was it not fully holstered still when the gun went off in the first place Based on how far down his trigger finger is, it seems like lit was fully holstered, but I can’t tell for sure |
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Quoted: I find it very difficult to tell if the pistol (afterwards) is in the weird position that it is because of the detonation / slide movement / etc or not I.e., it may have seated properly, then the round going off caused it to become dislodged or Was it not fully holstered still when the gun went off in the first place Based on how far down his trigger finger is, it seems like lit was fully holstered, but I can’t tell for sure I'm on my phone, but it looks like he is applying a good amount force to get it holstered. With that amount of force, it should have locked in unless there's an obstruction or the holster isn't made for that gun. Attached File |
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Quoted: Some of you may be blind and the video is in slow mo.... Shitty holster that idiot manipulated with his trigger finger causing the ND from what it looks like. But any excuse will do for the metoo movement here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000011149_jpg-3490388.JPG How does manipulating the trigger guard lock fire the gun - unless there is something fundamentally wrong w/ the gun... |
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Quoted: I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. Quoted: Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. And yet, this only happens with a Sig. Yet again. The mind-fuck I Didn't See What I Just Saw on this is exercised monthly when it comes to the Sig 320. At some point, this just becomes scientific study of mass-delusion denial. |
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Quoted: And yet, this only happens with a Sig. Yet again. The mind-fuck I Didn't See What I Just Saw on this is exercised monthly when it comes to the Sig 320. At some point, this just becomes scientific study of mass-delusion denial. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. And yet, this only happens with a Sig. Yet again. The mind-fuck I Didn't See What I Just Saw on this is exercised monthly when it comes to the Sig 320. At some point, this just becomes scientific study of mass-delusion denial. See my above post. |
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Quoted: See my above post. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, the IMI Holster for Sig catches the front of the trigger guard, there is no interaction with the trigger. I may be wrong as I don't have one in front of me, but there is a plastic piece that extends between the trigger and trigger guard. As the picture shows, he is pushing on the bottom half (where that piece is). When he holstered, he pushed down at the same time as pushing the button, causing that plastic piece to push the trigger to the rear. And yet, this only happens with a Sig. Yet again. The mind-fuck I Didn't See What I Just Saw on this is exercised monthly when it comes to the Sig 320. At some point, this just becomes scientific study of mass-delusion denial. See my above post. A: Super don't care - gun's aren't supposed to go off that easy, even if he and holster are imperfect. nobody else' gun goes off in this setting. Yet (once again), SIG does. B) I did. And no it's not; he doesn't touch that button. You can see his index finger is like an inch away from the entire holster upon discharge. The guys gunplay was a bit awkward. Guns aren't supposed to go off from being a bit awkward. He is holstering the gun in an empty holster, that has a SERPA latch (which is an odd holster choice in 2025), and the gun went off. SERPA's and that style don't cause guns to go off. SERPA's are banned because they position your finger with tension on it such that you inadvertantly engage the trigger upon drawing - and it can go off from your visibly obvious finger on trigger effect. That's not what this was. If the failure were due to whatever it is people are saying - where are all the Glock/Walther/S&W/Spring/et al video's of same? And here were are - yet again, talking about yet another guy who just got shot by his Sig 320 discharging in his holster. |