[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG Official Statement (Page 6 of 7)
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Quoted: Bill Ruger did a pretty good job of bad PR for his products while he was still alive. Quoted: Quoted: No firearms manufacturer has ever made the PR screw-ups Sig is making right now. Bill Ruger did a pretty good job of bad PR for his products while he was still alive. Bill Ruger came from a time when fuddery was the norm. Most of the magazines and customers from the day agreed with him, too. |
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Quoted: I'd bet a P-Mag Sig is working on a next gen 320 that will fix the problem right now as I type. They will roll it out as a feature enhancement and replace all the gen 1 or whatever pistols. Some clients will accept the fix, some will move on to another brand. But you cannot give PFC Duffy a safe-action Glock. He will shoot his pee pee off. Trust me on that, I ran multiple military ranges. The shit I saw on a daily basis. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are done. I’ve never seen such from a firearms manufacturer. You doomers are funny. While I agree the weapon has issues, that does not equate the demise of a company that has multiple domestic and international government and military contracts and expansive global sales, SIG Sauer isn't going away anytime soon. Do you have any idea how many weapons used by government and military had flaws that killed their users? Reminds me of the Martin twin engine bombers. They were called the Widowmakers. Whatever happens, Sig isn't done. Nobody knows. We are in new territory here. No firearms manufacturer has ever had the level of liability exposure that Sig has right now. No firearms manufacturer has ever made the PR screw-ups Sig is making right now. Eh, Taurus had a far more common shake awake sear and people are STILL sending in guns. Worked with Taurus and a customer yesterday to get his PT111 swapped for a brand new G2C that Taurus will ship to me shortly. Taurus denied/denied until the video of the Brazilian cop shake awaking his service pistol repeatedly went viral. Taurus survived, but their cost per replacement gun is probably on the order of $50 + call tag + shipping new G2C to the FFL. I don't know how much a P365 costs SIG, but with enough Indian MIM parts it can't be costing them that much. Taurus didn't have LE/MIL contracts in first world countries, I don't know how many injuries there were, and the scope of their recall was "only" around 1M units. SIG does have those contracts, there's a huge load of lawsuits, and they've produced 3.5M units and counting. The fact that Taurus is still replacing PT111s is not a surprise. Ruger is still converting 3-screw Blackhawks, S&W still has a bounty out on Sigma .380s, and as Ian said, people are still talking about early serial number M1903s from before WWI. Guns aren't perishable, and these things stick around forever. Any way you look at it, this is bigger than anything we've ever seen. I'd bet a P-Mag Sig is working on a next gen 320 that will fix the problem right now as I type. They will roll it out as a feature enhancement and replace all the gen 1 or whatever pistols. Some clients will accept the fix, some will move on to another brand. But you cannot give PFC Duffy a safe-action Glock. He will shoot his pee pee off. Trust me on that, I ran multiple military ranges. The shit I saw on a daily basis. Major Snuffy is just as equal to shoot his own dick off. |
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I saw an ad for a Sig M18 on a Sig forum that was titled ::: "This Sig has not gone off accidently" The fact Sig USA has so slandered the good name of Sig and JP Sauer und Sohn gives cause if there will not be a desire for compensation for the damage done to their fine reputations |
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Quoted: I'd bet a P-Mag Sig is working on a next gen 320 that will fix the problem right now as I type. They will roll it out as a feature enhancement and replace all the gen 1 or whatever pistols. Some clients will accept the fix, some will move on to another brand. But you cannot give PFC Duffy a safe-action Glock. He will shoot his pee pee off. Trust me on that, I ran multiple military ranges. The shit I saw on a daily basis. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are done. I’ve never seen such from a firearms manufacturer. You doomers are funny. While I agree the weapon has issues, that does not equate the demise of a company that has multiple domestic and international government and military contracts and expansive global sales, SIG Sauer isn't going away anytime soon. Do you have any idea how many weapons used by government and military had flaws that killed their users? Reminds me of the Martin twin engine bombers. They were called the Widowmakers. Whatever happens, Sig isn't done. Nobody knows. We are in new territory here. No firearms manufacturer has ever had the level of liability exposure that Sig has right now. No firearms manufacturer has ever made the PR screw-ups Sig is making right now. Eh, Taurus had a far more common shake awake sear and people are STILL sending in guns. Worked with Taurus and a customer yesterday to get his PT111 swapped for a brand new G2C that Taurus will ship to me shortly. Taurus denied/denied until the video of the Brazilian cop shake awaking his service pistol repeatedly went viral. Taurus survived, but their cost per replacement gun is probably on the order of $50 + call tag + shipping new G2C to the FFL. I don't know how much a P365 costs SIG, but with enough Indian MIM parts it can't be costing them that much. Taurus didn't have LE/MIL contracts in first world countries, I don't know how many injuries there were, and the scope of their recall was "only" around 1M units. SIG does have those contracts, there's a huge load of lawsuits, and they've produced 3.5M units and counting. The fact that Taurus is still replacing PT111s is not a surprise. Ruger is still converting 3-screw Blackhawks, S&W still has a bounty out on Sigma .380s, and as Ian said, people are still talking about early serial number M1903s from before WWI. Guns aren't perishable, and these things stick around forever. Any way you look at it, this is bigger than anything we've ever seen. I'd bet a P-Mag Sig is working on a next gen 320 that will fix the problem right now as I type. They will roll it out as a feature enhancement and replace all the gen 1 or whatever pistols. Some clients will accept the fix, some will move on to another brand. But you cannot give PFC Duffy a safe-action Glock. He will shoot his pee pee off. Trust me on that, I ran multiple military ranges. The shit I saw on a daily basis. Half the military carries M17/M18 pistols with a round chambered and the safety off. The majority of LE P320s don't have safeties. I'm not sure why you think these institutions would be worse off with Glock. |
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Quoted: Cars with accelerators getting stuck turned out to be BS. Maybe Sig has the same problem with an urban legend that won’t die. Attached File |
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Quoted: Half the military carries M17/M18 pistols with a round chambered and the safety off. The majority of LE P320s don't have safeties. I'm not sure why you think these institutions would be worse off with Glock. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are done. I’ve never seen such from a firearms manufacturer. You doomers are funny. While I agree the weapon has issues, that does not equate the demise of a company that has multiple domestic and international government and military contracts and expansive global sales, SIG Sauer isn't going away anytime soon. Do you have any idea how many weapons used by government and military had flaws that killed their users? Reminds me of the Martin twin engine bombers. They were called the Widowmakers. Whatever happens, Sig isn't done. Nobody knows. We are in new territory here. No firearms manufacturer has ever had the level of liability exposure that Sig has right now. No firearms manufacturer has ever made the PR screw-ups Sig is making right now. Eh, Taurus had a far more common shake awake sear and people are STILL sending in guns. Worked with Taurus and a customer yesterday to get his PT111 swapped for a brand new G2C that Taurus will ship to me shortly. Taurus denied/denied until the video of the Brazilian cop shake awaking his service pistol repeatedly went viral. Taurus survived, but their cost per replacement gun is probably on the order of $50 + call tag + shipping new G2C to the FFL. I don't know how much a P365 costs SIG, but with enough Indian MIM parts it can't be costing them that much. Taurus didn't have LE/MIL contracts in first world countries, I don't know how many injuries there were, and the scope of their recall was "only" around 1M units. SIG does have those contracts, there's a huge load of lawsuits, and they've produced 3.5M units and counting. The fact that Taurus is still replacing PT111s is not a surprise. Ruger is still converting 3-screw Blackhawks, S&W still has a bounty out on Sigma .380s, and as Ian said, people are still talking about early serial number M1903s from before WWI. Guns aren't perishable, and these things stick around forever. Any way you look at it, this is bigger than anything we've ever seen. I'd bet a P-Mag Sig is working on a next gen 320 that will fix the problem right now as I type. They will roll it out as a feature enhancement and replace all the gen 1 or whatever pistols. Some clients will accept the fix, some will move on to another brand. But you cannot give PFC Duffy a safe-action Glock. He will shoot his pee pee off. Trust me on that, I ran multiple military ranges. The shit I saw on a daily basis. Half the military carries M17/M18 pistols with a round chambered and the safety off. The majority of LE P320s don't have safeties. I'm not sure why you think these institutions would be worse off with Glock. Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. |
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Quoted: Cars with accelerators getting stuck turned out to be BS. Maybe Sig has the same problem with an urban legend that won’t die.  Montville police officer’s handgun went off inside the Montville Police Department 
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"It's his fault for bending over." - Some GDer with mobility issues |
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guys who wear this are the in denial, big mad ones right now. Attached File |
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Quoted: Got this a few minutes ago via email. Love the part where you're encouraged to call in and report ranges and instructors who ban the P320. tldr: We dindu P320 Information P320 Safety Information Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information. SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts. The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world. FBI Testing and Report A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing. Department of Homeland Security An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America. U.S. Air Force M18 There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information. P320 Range and Training Bans Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth. The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here. As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses. We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team. I'm a day late to this thread but I am very surprised that they put out this statement. How tone deaf can they be? If it had been an M9 instead of an M18 with the Airman that was killed you can bet the Air Force wouldn’t have pulled all the M9s from service like they did with the M18s. Everyone is damn near certain there is something wrong with the P320 and its variants so the best thing for Sig right now would be to not make any public statements. |
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Quoted: guys who wear this are the in denial, big mad ones right now. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271151/sigay_jpg-3597186.JPG Noveske looks better on the ‘Gram anyway 
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Quoted: Noveske looks better on the ‘Gram anyway https://popularairsoft.com/sites/default/files/2024-12/jkarmy_emg_nov_dm_slide.jpg i might try my luck with sig after looking at that thing |
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Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. The problem with Glock is not really a problem, but an issue of user error. Most cases of Glock leg result from the light pull trigger/trigger safety snagging something, while holstering. This, though it does happen, is fairly minimal in LE. In many combat arms branches of the military, with associated equipment, clothing and environment, this is more likely to happen with the Glock, as it is, versus a 1911 or M9 with their thumb safeties, assuming they are used. |
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Quoted: First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. |
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Quoted: Not in the Air Force. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. That doesn't really surprise me for some reason. |
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Quoted: First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. The problem with Glock is not really a problem, but an issue of user error. Most cases of Glock leg result from the light pull trigger/trigger safety snagging something, while holstering. This, though it does happen, is fairly minimal in LE. In many combat arms branches of the military, with associated equipment, clothing and environment, this is more likely to happen with the Glock, as it is, versus a 1911 or M9 with their thumb safeties, assuming they are used. Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. The problem with Glock is not really a problem, but an issue of user error. Most cases of Glock leg result from the light pull trigger/trigger safety snagging something, while holstering. This, though it does happen, is fairly minimal in LE. In many combat arms branches of the military, with associated equipment, clothing and environment, this is more likely to happen with the Glock, as it is, versus a 1911 or M9 with their thumb safeties, assuming they are used. As I said above, the MHS Glock had a thumb safety. If it works properly, how would a Glock with a thumb safety in the safe position be any different than a 1911 or a M9 with the thumb safety in the safe position? (Please note: I'm one of those people that likes having a grip safety and/or a thumb safety.) |
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Quoted: As I said above, the MHS Glock had a thumb safety. If it works properly, how would a Glock with a thumb safety in the safe position be any different than a 1911 or a M9 with the thumb safety in the safe position? (Please note: I'm one of those people that likes having a grip safety and/or a thumb safety.) Was not aware of MHS Glock. |
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Quoted: I’m sure the silly GDers would never inundate SIG with fictitious trainers, schools, etc to kill time. Venus de Milo Arms banned P320s first. Along with Paul Smecker at Boondocks? I’m pretty sure. In Minecraft at least. I would never call and report The Arock center of Excellence Pistol Academy for banning Sig P320s. |
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I said this in another thread but I'll repeat it here. The Ford Pinto didn't burst into flames from rear end collisions statistically more than other cars. But once being an explosive deathtrap that would detonate with the slightest tap on the rear bumper took hold in the public consciousness, it was done. Regardless of if there is anything wrong with the pistol's manufacturing or design or not, the P320 is now the Ford Pinto of the gun world. Sig's handling of this issue should be taught in universities on how not to handle public relations and product problems. |
this ends today!  SIG P320 Fiasco ! | What Do I Think About It? |
This one just showed up for me. Pretty scientific compared to that other guy.  Sig P320 accidental discharge tested in CNC machine. |
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Quoted: This one just showed up for me. Pretty scientific compared to that other guy.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXYwUJejL88Is it just me or does that guy seem like he feels that he's proved there's no problem, because he can reproduce making the gun fire by wiggling the slide? Cause that seems completely backwards. |
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Quoted: Is it just me or does that guy seem like he feels that he's proved there's no problem, because he can reproduce making the gun fire by wiggling the slide? Cause that seems completely backwards. Quoted: Quoted: This one just showed up for me. Pretty scientific compared to that other guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXYwUJejL88Is it just me or does that guy seem like he feels that he's proved there's no problem, because he can reproduce making the gun fire by wiggling the slide? Cause that seems completely backwards. |
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I'm fascinated by what they said in a Lawyer approved communication. So...yeah...it doesn't "end today"....but it doesn't end today either. I'd love to see them request a court case be televised over it. Its possible to have a mass hysteria event where something that happens once every galactic eclipse is considered the norm. Putting on my mechanical hat, I wonder if parts wear is ever a factor in this. The trigger is close to bangy bang and add some wear like in the FBI report and maybe its just bangs-banging. And if I keep testing a new one maybe it doesn't have that behaviour. |
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Quoted: I'm fascinated by what they said in a Lawyer approved communication. So...yeah...it doesn't "end today"....but it doesn't end today either. I'd love to see them request a court case be televised over it. Its possible to have a mass hysteria event where something that happens once every galactic eclipse is considered the norm. Putting on my mechanical hat, I wonder if parts wear is ever a factor in this. The trigger is close to bangy bang and add some wear like in the FBI report and maybe its just bangs-banging. And if I keep testing a new one maybe it doesn't have that behaviour. Round counts haven't factored into the issues. |
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Quoted: Not in the Air Force. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. He said in the military.  |
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Quoted: Finally watched the recent video, looks like some or all 320’s can go off if the trigger is depressed only slightly and then the slide wiggles! Yikes- but I did read here someone mentioned wanting to offload their MK25, I’ll take that off your hands It says right there in their official statement that it can't be fired without the trigger being pulled... It doesn't, however, state how far it has to be pulled.
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Quoted: He said in the military. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. He said in the military. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. He said in the military.  |
 Failed To Load Title This has been posted in the other thread, but putting it here for visibility. .01" of brass debris in the sear channel and slide movement will cause the striker to slip off the sear, secondary notch won't catch it. Striker safety was uninstalled for testing. Manual safety engaged, and agency arms bladed trigger to arrest sympathetic trigger movement from sear movement. This gun is fucked. |
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Quoted: It says right there in their official statement that it can't be fired without the trigger being pulled... It doesn't, however, state how far it has to be pulled. Quoted: Quoted: Finally watched the recent video, looks like some or all 320's can go off if the trigger is depressed only slightly and then the slide wiggles! Yikes- but I did read here someone mentioned wanting to offload their MK25, I'll take that off your hands It says right there in their official statement that it can't be fired without the trigger being pulled... It doesn't, however, state how far it has to be pulled. m |
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Quoted: He said in the military. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Add in the longer trigger pull and trigger blade safety on the Glock with the fact that the MHS Glock had a manual safety (and the widespread use of the standard Glocks among LE and militaries around the world). I'm really not seeing how the Glock would be a worse choice either. First off, having the safety off while carrying in the military is going to be a breach of regulation. Not in the Air Force. He said in the military.  Polenar Tactical tested his Arex (Glock-clone) with the 1mm test https://youtube.com/shorts/-Wk48Ylnrok?si=MSfzCBaQnGivLegu SPOILER: It passed |
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Not related to the failure at issue, but interesting article about how DoD didn't fully test the Sig. Why the Army didn’t finish testing the Sig Sauer P320 during the XM17 competition It is Yahoo news, so take it with a grain of salt. "The short of it is that Sig Sauer’s price to the government was so low that the Army felt that it had a good enough pistol at a great price. So, testing was stopped and did not resume." |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByWtn25RMgThis has been posted in the other thread, but putting it here for visibility. .01" of brass debris in the sear channel and slide movement will cause the striker to slip off the sear, secondary notch won't catch it. Striker safety was uninstalled for testing. Manual safety engaged, and agency arms bladed trigger to arrest sympathetic trigger movement from sear movement. This gun is fucked. The striker safety being straight up uninstalled for testing isn't inspiring, but it's an interesting result nonetheless. |
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Quoted: The striker safety being straight up uninstalled for testing isn't inspiring, but it's an interesting result nonetheless. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByWtn25RMgThis has been posted in the other thread, but putting it here for visibility. .01" of brass debris in the sear channel and slide movement will cause the striker to slip off the sear, secondary notch won't catch it. Striker safety was uninstalled for testing. Manual safety engaged, and agency arms bladed trigger to arrest sympathetic trigger movement from sear movement. This gun is fucked. The striker safety being straight up uninstalled for testing isn't inspiring, but it's an interesting result nonetheless. You can pair that with some P320s with non-functional striker safeties. |
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Quoted: You can pair that with some P320s with non-functional striker safeties. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByWtn25RMgThis has been posted in the other thread, but putting it here for visibility. .01" of brass debris in the sear channel and slide movement will cause the striker to slip off the sear, secondary notch won't catch it. Striker safety was uninstalled for testing. Manual safety engaged, and agency arms bladed trigger to arrest sympathetic trigger movement from sear movement. This gun is fucked. The striker safety being straight up uninstalled for testing isn't inspiring, but it's an interesting result nonetheless. You can pair that with some P320s with non-functional striker safeties. By SIG's own tests, 30% of striker blocks are nonfunctional. |
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Quoted: By SIG's own tests, 30% of striker blocks are nonfunctional. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ByWtn25RMgThis has been posted in the other thread, but putting it here for visibility. .01" of brass debris in the sear channel and slide movement will cause the striker to slip off the sear, secondary notch won't catch it. Striker safety was uninstalled for testing. Manual safety engaged, and agency arms bladed trigger to arrest sympathetic trigger movement from sear movement. This gun is fucked. The striker safety being straight up uninstalled for testing isn't inspiring, but it's an interesting result nonetheless. You can pair that with some P320s with non-functional striker safeties. By SIG's own tests, 30% of striker blocks are nonfunctional. Attached File |
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Quoted: Personally I thought it was a good statement. It was definitely better than it ends today, lol! Ladies & Gents, This isn't gonna go the way all of you had hoped it would. SIG is going nowhere and nothing may very well happen to them! Oh and they're definitely not bending the knee for any of this nonsense. The ARF Me-Too Echo Chamber continues to spout off, referencing about how SIG fails to substantiate this test and that test, which all display how the P320 is at fault. However if anything definitive had substance, it would have stuck, and lawyers would be drawn to the blood in the water, and SIG would be finished.... But that hasn't been the case! ?? Really makes you wonder doesn't it.. What is really going on? The weird thing with all of the bandwagoning going on is that SIG, even under Ron Cohen has fixed past issues and conducted recalls on guns that have had problems, and fixed them.... So why all of the sudden would they knowingly stop? The Echo Chamber here, at YouTube, pretty much everywhere will have you believe SIG is avoiding taking responsibility. Shit every Influnencer and GunTuber has spent the week issuing retractions to avoid Me Culpas when it comes to the heat rounds being shot at those supporting SIG. It's been the most cowardice week I've ever seen in the gun industry.... Just pathetic. Today at SIGTalk, a fellow user suggested it's SIGs fault Cops don't clean their guns and SIG should've taken that into account when designing the P320 and now they should assume liability for the lack of extra safety due to the lack of responsibility of the end user. You folks realize that's like taking a car back to the dealership and expecting them to honor your Powertrain warranty even though you performed no scheduled maintenance and your car broke down. What some users expect SIG to take responsibility for is astounding. Seems that nothing at this point will satisfy the Me-Too MVMT's thirst for SIG blood, so now we are at the, "If there's smoke, there must be fire", phase of the operation. Frankly I am shocked that screws in trigger mechanisms are producing acceptable testing finds within ARF. We are at the point where neither side recognizes or respects eachothers opinions. You're either with SIG, or you're Anti-SIG. I own too many SIG's and have been to well taken care of by their customer service to switch now. Until credible, reliable, verifiable information that shows a failure comes out, many with P320's aren't budging! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196790/1000017292_jpg-3596943.JPG Better to remain silent & be thought of as a fool than open your mouth & remove all doubt. Oh well. |
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Quoted: Or...SIG quietly fixes the problems, doesn't say anything and over time as people buy them (because you know they will), when they try to induce malfunctions and they don't, SIG adopts the "see, everybody who F'd up in the past just did something dumb with their gun." Won't help the image of the P320 and they'll reduce manufacture and move on to a new model. In the end, no major funds lost on their part and no admitting there is/was a problem....carry on, nothing to see here. This has gone FAR beyond a "quiet" fix to the problem. Sig says there is no problem...and not only once, but again and again. And incidents involving the P320 keep piling up, including Federal LE/military. Deflection and "this ends today" social media posts only can go so far. Feds have the resources to investigate this and aren't going to back down via a threatening letter or email like a local or state gov might. This will not end quietly. |
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Quoted: Bill Ruger did a pretty good job of bad PR for his products while he was still alive. Quoted: Quoted: No firearms manufacturer has ever made the PR screw-ups Sig is making right now. Bill Ruger did a pretty good job of bad PR for his products while he was still alive. But no one died or was severely injured as a result of his anti 2A views. Apples to oranges. |