[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Rhodesian Army (Page 2 of 10)
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For anyone interested in this set of recruiting posters, there is a guy on eBay that sells 16.5" x 11" reproductions. The big original posters are getting really rare these days. ETA: Found it |
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Quoted: So what exactly happened in Rhodesia? I think I have a baseline understanding, but not sure. It was definitely before my time. Black terrorists got mad that whites were running the country too efficiently, started killing people (white and black), ended up winning the political war even though they lost the military war, and took over the country, started stealing white farms and killing white farmers, and ran the country into the ground and turned it into any other third world African shithole. There's a little more to it than that, but that's part of it. |
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So what exactly happened in Rhodesia? I think I have a baseline understanding, but not sure. It was definitely before my time. Black terrorists got mad that whites were running the country too efficiently, started killing people (white and black), ended up winning the political war even though they lost the military war, and took over the country, started stealing white farms and killing white farmers, and ran the country into the ground and turned it into any other third world African shithole. There's a little more to it than that, but that's part of it. Taking world politics out of it, that's it, yeah. HOORAY FOR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!  
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That picture of the guy holding the RPD in the village looks out of place. The guy on the horse with the G3 and the crumpled hat looks like a Portugeek. Merc's from Portugal, spain, france, england, germany, USA IIRC 160 Rands a week and tranportation, room and board during the Carter Years was pretty good money.. the 1911 knock offs are spanish STAR and Llamas, there were lots of Belgium hi powers, standard 1911's here and there,,even a few Mauser with shoulder stock holsters were seen.. mostly military guys had FN/FAL, later in the war some AK became de rigur civie troopers carried G3 and Car15 LOTS of 870, Smith model 10s,and bolt action mauser |
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Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa. Zimbabwe is a shithole.  In my Western Civ class last year I had to do pick a colonized area and do a then and now comparison. I picked Rhodesia\Zimbabwe after seeing these types of threads before. You are absolutely correct. Rhodesia was known as the Breadbasket of Africa. They were a net exporter of food. Now a lot of these pictures you see of starving children with extended stomachs are coming from Zimbabwe. The communists got rid of anyone (black or white) who knew how to run the large farms. I found this very interesting article during me research. How To Kill A Country |
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So what exactly happened in Rhodesia? I think I have a baseline understanding, but not sure. It was definitely before my time. Black terrorists got mad that whites were running the country too efficiently, started killing people (white and black), ended up winning the political war even though they lost the military war, and took over the country, started stealing white farms and killing white farmers, and ran the country into the ground and turned it into any other third world African shithole. There's a little more to it than that, but that's part of it. Taking world politics out of it, that's it, yeah. HOORAY FOR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS! Well let's go back a little further. In the late 1800's the Europeans basically colonized the planet. Africa got divided up. Some Brit promised this tribal King in the area that only a small amount of whites would be in their area and he signed over mineral rights to the Brits. They of course shafted the King and when they rose up against the Brit this new invention called the Maxim gun put an end to that. The Brits didn't find the gold they thought would be there but instead found the great farmland and they turned the place into the "Breadbasket of Africa". I don't exactly understand what happened with the British Government. I believe there was an independence push but the British pretty much handed the country over to the communists rather than support the white farmers. |
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Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa. Zimbabwe is a shithole. In my Western Civ class last year I had to do pick a colonized area and do a then and now comparison. I picked Rhodesia\Zimbabwe after seeing these types of threads before. You are absolutely correct. Rhodesia was known as the Breadbasket of Africa. They were a net exporter of food. Now a lot of these pictures you see of starving children with extended stomachs are coming from Zimbabwe. The communists got rid of anyone (black or white) who knew how to run the large farms. I found this very interesting article during me research. How To Kill A Country All of Western Civilization is heading down that same road.
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The so-called Free World really threw the Rhodesians under the bus back then.
What an utter and shameful disgrace. Also: Study these pictures carefully. That is how things will look like in the near future when Barack Mubama begins to implement Panafrican communism in America. |
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One of the Grey's Scouts ended up commanding a battalion of the CA NG a few years ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-national-guard-iraq-20110914,0,716311.story?page=1&track=rss |
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Good thread. I wish we could have helped them out back during their war years. Rog. Yea Fuckin Cock Sucker Jimmy Fuckin Carter!!!!! 
Let's not forget the fucking UN. 
The world looked the other way when Mugabe took over in 1980... Leaders with otherwise impeccable credentials, like Malcolm Fraser (then prime minister of Australia), Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young in America and the US ambassador to the united nations, Brian Mulroney of Canada, all the leaders of the Scandinavian countries and almost the entire British parliament kept quiet... As UN Ambassador, Young played a leading role in advancing a settlement in Rhodesia with Robert Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo, who had been two of the military leaders in the Rhodesian Bush War, which had ended in 1979. The settlement paved the way for Mugabe to take power as Prime Minister of the newly-formed Republic of Zimbabwe. There had been a general election in 1979, bringing Bishop Abel Muzorewa to power as leader of the United African National Council leading to the short-lived country of Zimbabwe Rhodesia. Young refused to accept the election's results, and described the election as "neofascist", a sentiment echoed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 445 and 448. Writing in Commentary at the time, civil-rights leader Bayard Rustin argued that the elections were "free and fair", not held "with a gun at [the] heads" of the people. The situation was resolved the next year with the Lancaster House Agreement and the establishment of Zimbabwe. |
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Quoted: One of the Grey's Scouts ended up commanding a battalion of the CA NG a few years ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-national-guard-iraq-20110914,0,716311.story?page=1&track=rss that was quite something |
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Quoted: Quoted: One of the Grey's Scouts ended up commanding a battalion of the CA NG a few years ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-national-guard-iraq-20110914,0,716311.story?page=1&track=rss that was quite something Seems like A-stan would have been a better fit for him. |
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One of the Grey's Scouts ended up commanding a battalion of the CA NG a few years ago: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-national-guard-iraq-20110914,0,716311.story?page=1&track=rss That guy should have stayed a Marine. He would have been a general by now |
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good god why is the world letting Mugabe get away with what he did/ -like his most recent stunt: sending Zimbabwean mercenaries to support Kadaffi? How ironic: the U.K. and U.S. are responsible for Mugabe rising to power, and yet here we are funding the air war against Kadaffi while our creation from Zimbabwe supports our enemy. Thanks President Carter! |
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I just read this on Wikipedia:
Casualties Around 30,000 fatalities [3] of which 7–8 percent (c. 2,000+) from the Rhodesian security forces;[4] the remainder, insurgents and civilians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Bush_War |
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Quoted: Yeah I don't get GD's fascination with the mighty short short warriors of apartheid. I guess the FALs and that poster.Quoted: The US military STILL hasn't digested the Rhodesian military's lessons for dealing with insurgents. They are frankly light-years ahead of us. You should reread the part where their war ends in defeat. I knew a guy when I was a kid who swore he worked as a mercenary in South Africa fighting SWAPO, which I guess was in Nambia. I have never figured out whether he was full of shit or not. Had great stories about doing various shitty mercenary and body guard type work in Africa after Vietnam.
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The US military STILL hasn't digested the Rhodesian military's lessons for dealing with insurgents. They are frankly light-years ahead of us. You should reread the part where their war ends in defeat. You mean, like our massive success in A-stan or Vietnam? Iraq is, even now, a hung jury pending what the future of US forces is, there. But that's the strategic parsing of Command and Staff school wannabes. At the tactical and operational levels, the Rhodies functionall integrated air-land battle for COIN in a way that Wass de Czege imagined in AirLandBattle, at a fraction of the cost in men and material. They were home building MRAPs, and using airmobile/airborne blocking operations that we still lack, 10 years into A-stan. The dude who wrote this is a dick, but he's right.... American forces in Afghanistan have largely traded mobility for armor and firepower. In the Korangal and elsewhere, we have attempted to bring the Taliban to their demise through the “tethered goat” tactics that failed the French at Dien Bien Phu. The tethered goats—small, isolated combat outposts—while nominally justified as denying key terrain, serve mostly as enticements for the elusive Taliban to expose themselves. Yet, insurgencies are historically won by the force with the greatest mobility. The United States used air mobility and aero-scouts to great effect in Vietnam, but these efforts were resource intensive. The Rhodesian Light Infantry, restrained by their inability to field more than 5,000 soldiers and with limited airlift support at any given time due to crushing embargoes, used a similar though less resource-intensive version they called “Fire Force” based upon lessons learned in Malaysia.1 We must learn from these examples. As troop counts diminish, we must increase our mobility and decentralize our planning and execution authority if we wish to maintain our hard-earned gains.
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Yeah I don't get GD's fascination with the mighty short short warriors of apartheid. I guess the FALs and that poster.Quoted:
The US military STILL hasn't digested the Rhodesian military's lessons for dealing with insurgents. They are frankly light-years ahead of us. You should reread the part where their war ends in defeat. I knew a guy when I was a kid who swore he worked as a mercenary in South Africa fighting SWAPO, which I guess was in Nambia. I have never figured out whether he was full of shit or not. Had great stories about doing various shitty mercenary and body guard type work in Africa after Vietnam.
This is lot's o' historical fail, here. |
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Quoted: However super duper the Rhodesian Army was at duking it out with guerrillas the whole thing was still the equivalent of building a house in New Orleans, they were "below sea level" and the white only governments were going away in south Africa one way or the other, even if the Soviets hadn't really been the puppet master/arms supplier to their opponents. No western government was going to support them anymore [shrug]Quoted: Quoted: Yeah I don't get GD's fascination with the mighty short short warriors of apartheid. I guess the FALs and that poster.Quoted: The US military STILL hasn't digested the Rhodesian military's lessons for dealing with insurgents. They are frankly light-years ahead of us. You should reread the part where their war ends in defeat. I knew a guy when I was a kid who swore he worked as a mercenary in South Africa fighting SWAPO, which I guess was in Nambia. I have never figured out whether he was full of shit or not. Had great stories about doing various shitty mercenary and body guard type work in Africa after Vietnam. This is lot's o' historical fail, here. |
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However super duper the Rhodesian Army was at duking it out with guerrillas the whole thing was still the equivalent of building a house in New Orleans, they were "below sea level" and the white only governments were going away in south Africa one way or the other, even if the Soviets hadn't really been the puppet master/arms supplier to their opponents. No western government was going to support them anymore [shrug]
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Yeah I don't get GD's fascination with the mighty short short warriors of apartheid. I guess the FALs and that poster.Quoted:
The US military STILL hasn't digested the Rhodesian military's lessons for dealing with insurgents. They are frankly light-years ahead of us. You should reread the part where their war ends in defeat. I knew a guy when I was a kid who swore he worked as a mercenary in South Africa fighting SWAPO, which I guess was in Nambia. I have never figured out whether he was full of shit or not. Had great stories about doing various shitty mercenary and body guard type work in Africa after Vietnam.
This is lot's o' historical fail, here. I am far from an expert on small unit tactics but just because they were wrong in the macro (apartheid) doesn't mean we can't learn anything from them in the micro (military tactics). |
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However super duper the Rhodesian Army was at duking it out with guerrillas the whole thing was still the equivalent of building a house in New Orleans, they were "below sea level" and the white only governments were going away in south Africa one way or the other, even if the Soviets hadn't really been the puppet master/arms supplier to their opponents. No western government was going to support them anymore [shrug] You mean, below sea level, like the Netherlands. Your reasoning is so full of FAIL its nearly impossible to tease apart. This is, at best, a tautology. The Rhodesians were going to fall, because we weren't going to support them, but since they fell, its good we didn't support them. That that same level, we might as well come to an accommodation with all Communists governments globally in 1975. The simple fact was the above mentality was a strategy for defeat when Carter followed in 1978, and its historical fruit as measured in human suffering, ironically borne by non-white people, is frankly immeasurable. Its always funny to see people to be just plum-dandy with totalitarianism, when its for other people. |