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In a nutshell, they want to shut the site down and it should not make it easy for them. Once the specific nature of the threat is know, policies can always be revised. The fact that we have to watch what we post here says a hell of a lot more than what anyone could say tells us exactly what the United States is facing, so keep that in mind when we try to follow the new policy. |
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Quoted: No, no. I'm not talking about crowdfunding Arf's server bills. I'm asking if it would be feasible for a group of investors to start a web hosting company to compete with Amazon and offer hosting services, that, in the case of Arf, Brownell's might pay for. Like, they'd cut us a check every month and we'd host the site. Or a thousand other sites that had been restricted by TPTB. I mean, at least until the DoJ arrests us all. I do that now and there is still practically no interest out there. |
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Quoted: Additional layer of security for forums. Not really much of a change. Think of a couple new forums with this new security group stuff as the most likely scenario. It's just a different way to vet users and be able to have more "secure" areas. We can just leave forums alone and just classify discussions based on risk factor, and then put them in escalated levels instead of trashing them. So a thread that would be trashed, may go to level 3 to save it. Then maybe level 4 if it gets worse. Eventually trash if needed. It will disappear for those who aren't vetted enough to see it. These are just EXAMPLES, there is no strategy right now on how we want to put this into effect and will let membership help decide our best course of action. Thanks. |
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I implore you all to not post anything which violates our policies. This means you should avoid posting any threats (even veiled ones), promoting violence, and not support rioting of any kind. This is not anything new and continues to be in line with what every hosting provider enforces and what we, as websites, need to adhere to as well. What does that mean? If we express agreement with protesters who raided the capital we violate the rules? If we say "good" when the Proud Boys fight back against Antifa we violate the rules? What about a comment about watering the tree of liberty? Flesh this part out please. JFC it would seem as though the left has intimidated the country into only allowing the left to enjoy free speech. Maybe it was pretty fucking stupid to host a pro-gun, pro-conservative site on servers owned by a leftist company. |
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Quoted: These aren't the things that need to be moved. I think you all just want to see doom and gloom and want to project your fears into the reality. We are fighting against COC violations and the folks TRYING to get the site shut down. As most of you are aware, there are folks here purely to shut us down and pretend to be us until they can act. This is when we will see a number of weird accounts pop up and say stupid shit. They are doing this on Parler and look how well it worked. If you see someone acting wrong, like a leftist plant you claim are everywhere, then let us know so they can be handled. DO NOT just report folks with differing opinions. I don't report anybody for anything, that's your job and your moderators. As to what I think you are referring from the context of your post, this morning in another post there was an individual that registered in 2014 and had ONE post and he posted back up somewhere in this thread making it TWO posts in 80 months.... I mentioned I found that odd....If you don't then that's cool. |
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I have admittedly not been a Team member for a few years, but do not recall any type of vetting process in place for that status. $24 and anyone could be Team. Has that changed? I see a lot of stupid shit posters, and Team does not appear to be any type of preventative screen. |
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Quoted: I have admittedly not been a Team member for a few years, but do not recall any type of vetting process in place for that status. $24 and anyone could be Team. Has that changed? I see a lot of stupid shit posters, and Team does not appear to be any type of preventative screen. |
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Quoted: Folks with open opinions and talk were usually dragged out of their homes. There's a reason they met in secret. Quoted: Quoted: We aren't talking about actual mission planning here. If you're working on no shit action plans against the government that should be done entirely face to face and not on the internet at all. This is about voicing beliefs against the king. Were there no openly held opinions prior to 1776? Folks with open opinions and talk were usually dragged out of their homes. There's a reason they met in secret. There's a reason I'm keeping my rifle, PC, and some other useful items out and ready too. Edit - I'd rather be more effective long term, but I'm ok with being a martyr if things went that way. I made up my mind I wouldn't be taken alive in Iraq if that situation ever happened. I still feel the same way about surrendering now. |
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Quoted: Yes, we'll hide in the shadows. They'll never know we're jews then. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good job being fucking capitulators. Other American citizens are absolutely my enemy now. There are two opposite ideologies at odds here. There is no middle ground, no compromise. Either their side is in power in the end or ours. You don't back down when they try to punk you out. You stand tall and kick their fucking teeth in. I enlisted to fight Islam and I'll do whatever I have to here at home to fight authoritarianism/communism. Violence founded this nation. Violence will save it. But violence posted on a website will get it shut down. There is such a thing as self control and self preservation. Get your point across without threats! Simple right? Yes, we'll hide in the shadows. They'll never know we're jews then. Todays demand will be tomorrow's imperative, nor will it be enough until capitulation then slavery. Everything is Repeated - "And it is at this point that we bear witness to the greatest brazenness imaginable. This state, resting upon a minority as support for its regime, forces the various nationalities to partake in a policy which one day will force them to shoot at their own brothers. Herr Beneš demands of the German man: “If I go to war with Germany, then you will have to shoot at Germans. If you should not be willing to do this, then you become a traitor, and I will have you shot.” He demands the same of the Hungarian and of the Polish man. He demands of the Slovaks to defend policies which are completely irrelevant to Slovakia’s situation. The Slovak people wish to live in peace, they have no wish to become involved in adventures. Herr Beneš, however, manages to portray these people either as traitors to their state or as traitors of their people’s cause. Either they agree to shoot at their compatriots and to betray their people, or Herr Beneš tells them: “You are traitors to your country, and because of that I will shoot you.” Can you imagine greater brazenness than to demand of other people to shoot their own compatriots if the circumstances warrant this? And all this simply because a rotten, disgusting, and criminal regime demands this of them? Let me assure you that as we occupied Austria, the first order I issued was that no Czech need to, that no Czech be allowed to serve in the German Army. I did not want to place him in this predicament. And now we face the last great problem that must be resolved and that will be resolved! It is the last territorial demand I shall make in Europe. It is a demand which I shall insist upon and a demand which I will satisfy so God will!" Berlin - 26 September, 1938 - Adolph Hitler prior to invading Poland, Denmark, Belgium, The Netherlands, France, Greece, Russia, Tunisia... _________________ It took eight years to ascend, then four years to consolidate, absolute power given them by the Deutsche Volk until 1937 when events were "innocently" set in motion leading to the Final Solution to the Jewish Question in Europe as resolved in 1942. Only 9 years from "election" as Chancellor to thousands of boxcars filled with those felt to have no value to anyone alive. Extermination began shrouded in suppression by the New York Times in cooperation with most of the US political 'elite'. The parallels of authoritarian strategy, behavior, power wielding, motivation (das Reich and DNC steeped in official, vicious anti-Semitism), tactics and operations are shaped by the unchanging constants of human behavior.  |
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Quoted: Folks with open opinions and talk were usually dragged out of their homes. There's a reason they met in secret. Quoted: Quoted: We aren't talking about actual mission planning here. If you're working on no shit action plans against the government that should be done entirely face to face and not on the internet at all. This is about voicing beliefs against the king. Were there no openly held opinions prior to 1776? Folks with open opinions and talk were usually dragged out of their homes. There's a reason they met in secret.  They openly talked rebellion in the streets, pubs and at the colonial assemblies. |
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Quoted: It is not entirely a peer 2 peer vetting. Things like history on here will be used as well. If done right, it will not only make sense, but work as intended. And please don't expect perfection on day one. A lot of this stuff takes time, effort, and feedback. This will also live as an additional level of security, not a replacement for current things. Quoted: Quoted: I don't have any "friends/family and trusted folks" on here. Some people may recognize my avatar/username, but no one will "vet" me. This site shouldn't be some kind of emulator of fakefook. It is not entirely a peer 2 peer vetting. Things like history on here will be used as well. If done right, it will not only make sense, but work as intended. And please don't expect perfection on day one. A lot of this stuff takes time, effort, and feedback. This will also live as an additional level of security, not a replacement for current things. Thanks. |
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Quoted: Losing ARF as a platform would be BAD. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater, either. Organize here and vent your spleen over a beer in trusted company. The hypocrisy is extremely galling, but I don't see a better alternative.  Why do people keep posting that bullshit? |
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Quoted: I'm the same way, classic liberal trope. It's always "fire in a crowded theater", which is bullshit. You are free to yell it, just be prepared for the consequences. Quoted: Quoted: Why do people keep posting that bullshit? I'm the same way, classic liberal trope. It's always "fire in a crowded theater", which is bullshit. You are free to yell it, just be prepared for the consequences. The US Supreme Court later issued a decision that limited Schenck decision that quote comes from. It like quoting Dredd Scott in a legal case for a precedent. |
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Quoted: The US Supreme Court later issued a decision that limited Schenck decision that quote comes from. It like quoting Dredd Scott in a legal case for a precedent. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why do people keep posting that bullshit? I'm the same way, classic liberal trope. It's always "fire in a crowded theater", which is bullshit. You are free to yell it, just be prepared for the consequences. The US Supreme Court later issued a decision that limited Schenck decision that quote comes from. It like quoting Dredd Scott in a legal case for a precedent. Because most people can't even be bothered to look something up, they just repeat the bullshit over and over again. |
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Quoted: They openly talked rebellion in the streets, pubs and at the colonial assemblies. They did. Especially in the frontier areas (west, south, etc), but men have always held secrecy when it's needed, including meeting in taverns in cities to plan and prepare. Remember that at that time cities like Boston wer flowing with troops who patrolled the streets nightly. |
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Quoted: Yesterday Goatboy said that is what he is trying to do but it will take time. Eventually he'll probably find something IMHO. ETA: Doing a search on the internet there are NUMEROUS right wing sites stating basically the same (i.e., that they will have to seek out alternative internet providers, etc.). Eventually I assume this will mean maybe a new type of provider will emerge............. ISP's are at the mercy of the govt ! It would need to be offshore ISP, but even then it's an issue, because the commi's in the swamp will create rules that dictate what can and cannot be on the wire inside the US. So although they can't shutdown the ISP itself, then can order backbone carriers to black-hole any/all data to-from such ISP, etc. You will still have a right to speak, but you can only say the words they allow you to say. We keep re-hashing all the commi scenario's that are/have-been and will happen, yet we all know what the solution is and will be. So as much as I would like to debate the best ways to scoot around the commi BS, there's only two (2) options that I see as being viable at this point, either go sit on the bench and be good sheeple, or come onto the field to be in the game. Each has grave consequences, but only one is the right choice. The commi's made some very poor choices, there is no "de-escalating" as they are hoping to do, the only path fwd at this time is "escalation". Sad but true. The swamp is at this time full of commi's and turncoats, surely a mistake on their part to choose to be such, and now The People have had enough. Why are people all up-in-arms over Jan 6th, nobody burned the place to the ground, although they could have gone in full BLM style. If the loons in DC think Jan 6th was "crazy insurrection", then they are sorely mistaken. In respect for this site, I am not using other choice words to describe where we are at, but I think most here understand the situation, what the real threat is, and how it will be dealt with. It's does seem shockingly apparent though, the swamp tics did not receive the message that was delivered on Jan 6th, their whole "we are gonna come get you and put you in jail" BS response is just that, meaningless BS to Patriots who are defending The Republic. I wonder how much vacancy jail space there is, 100mil big ?? I think the bottom line is this, the swamp itself has some hard choices to make after the commi-turncoat regime takes office. They better choice wisely. Side note: I was just temp-banned off another gun forum today, and my words there much less harsher than my words above. Sheeple is more common than I expected, so sad. |
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Quoted: This was indeed the left's plan and the folks who rioted at the capitol allowed them to accelerate their schedules. Talk about shooting the rest of us in the foot. The sooner everyone learns to leave emotion out of it and laser focus on the goals, the better off we will be. The rally was amazing, the capitol attack was stupid. Now we are faced with less freedom as the Marxist plan continues to move through it's phases. Communication is now up and we are seeing it being taken from us as quickly as possible. This is the current fight many of us need to focus on. We need communication channels! Yesterday I asked for the HAM guys to come into GD and get folks prepared on cheap/simple HAM setups so everyone has a backup system in place to communicate. I would suggest as many as possible follow their advice and prepare themselves properly. It's not just a firearm and ammo, if you are caught alone and unprepared, you will be washed away in a tidal wave. We need to form a wall that the wave will break against. That's assuming a wave comes. I still have hope that America will see that we cannot survive without each other. We need to stop fighting and start working together to solve problems. Talking about shooting ones self in the foot. SMH. Please explain further the false dilemma presented by yourself multiple times in the thread. Why are the only two options either this, or shutting the site down immediately? Please explain further for us to understand, because right now this sure looks like an attempt to purely save revenue and nothing more. Yall will be on cattle cars crying about optics and how the "rioters" are to blame. I never expected this from ARF. |
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Quoted: There are established members here either refusing to accept that the Capitol Police Officer was beaten by "Patriots" or outright cheering the death of the officer. Whoa. Links to the truth please. Such conduct is not the correct conduct at this point in the fight. Certainly the murder of Ashli Babbitt (a peasant unarmed trespasser as CNN calls her) was not warranted either. In both cases though we should expect the law to prevail in the right ways, but I bet you now $1,000 that the murder goes as justified, and the other get years in jail. |
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Quoted: This is literally war It's a new generation of civil war. The wars of the past were very unique, but this one too is also unique. It's gonna be confusing at 1st, but it will coalesce into what it needs to be. Don't ever toss in the white towel as so many are doing, let the others be sheeple, it's their choice to do so. A Samurai does not carry a white towel, for good reason. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Investigation-into-Ashli-Babbitt-death/75-2412028/ He justifies the shooter. He does call her a dumbass also, but I guess that’s ok. Thread appears to be gone. |
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Quoted: Every thread about Ashli's murder have folks damn glad she was executed If you are on twitter, just view all the anti Trump holes, they are all celebrating her death. This celebration cannot be tolerated ! If we say anyone here celebrating her death is a bad thing to do, I agree, then I also agree all those anti Trump'ers are scum commi's who are evil in every way. There is a clear line in the sand to be had, read about Israelites destroying the Canaanites. I know what that line looks like, I don't see the line yet, but the clarity is coming faster than we expect it to. |
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Quoted: Anyone have links to sites promoting BLM and ANTIFA violence that is hosted on AWS? Well, surely plenty to be had. Google too has plenty. I suspect this commi scum supports BLM in every way.  Rep. Maxine Waters Under Scrutiny For Urging Supporters To Confront Trump Officials |
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Quoted: What does that mean? If we express agreement with protesters who raided the capital we violate the rules? If we say "good" when the Proud Boys fight back against Antifa we violate the rules? What about a comment about watering the tree of liberty? Flesh this part out please. JFC it would seem as though the left has intimidated the country into only allowing the left to enjoy free speech. Maybe it was pretty fucking stupid to host a pro-gun, pro-conservative site on servers owned by a leftist company. Quoted: I implore you all to not post anything which violates our policies. This means you should avoid posting any threats (even veiled ones), promoting violence, and not support rioting of any kind. This is not anything new and continues to be in line with what every hosting provider enforces and what we, as websites, need to adhere to as well. What does that mean? If we express agreement with protesters who raided the capital we violate the rules? If we say "good" when the Proud Boys fight back against Antifa we violate the rules? What about a comment about watering the tree of liberty? Flesh this part out please. JFC it would seem as though the left has intimidated the country into only allowing the left to enjoy free speech. Maybe it was pretty fucking stupid to host a pro-gun, pro-conservative site on servers owned by a leftist company. Maybe there is a difference between protesters and rioters. Supporting protesters is probably fine, supporting destruction of property or assaulting the police is not. Defending against antifa is fine, being the aggressors is not. I know everyone is saying they are tired of “playing by the rules” or “the other side fights unfair”, but this capital hill protest has not played out well. This would be a completely different story if the police were the only side being aggressive. Sometimes you have to bend the rules protesting, maybe that gets you tear gassed, pepper sprayed, or shot with wooden bullets, but there is a line that can’t be crossed, it’s not “fair” but you can’t pepper spray the police, you can’t assault them. People are gloating how they took over the capital in one day and BLM couldn’t take anything over in months. From what I saw in my city, aside from the first day of violence, the days and weeks that followed, the protestors were passively resisting. Standing in the street and then being beaten by the police. At any point they could have stormed the capital. The idea was to be heard and noticed, not to cause damage or injury. I would say anyone causing damage is a bad actor, and bad actors can take any form or shape. I guess that is the same with this forum, people are supporting violence and destruction of property. Now more than ever is the time to take the moral high ground. Self regulate, don’t stoop to their level. |
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Quoted: No kidding, people are not rational. Think they are, but they're not. Command sends orders to dig in and prepare for attack... GD - "fuck that I'm not surrendering" Quoted: Quoted: They aren't surrendering, they are doing just the opposite. No kidding, people are not rational. Think they are, but they're not. Command sends orders to dig in and prepare for attack... GD - "fuck that I'm not surrendering" You forgot the part where they wear neon green jumpsuits with big fat target signs, jumping around, flapping their arms saying come and take it. |
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Quoted: It's also, last I checked, unable to be legally encrypted. Ham radio is not more secure, but it certainly could be more consistent. Define encryption. Non English odd languages can be a form of "encryption", yet not technically encryption. Would morse code rot13 be considered "encryption". |
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Quoted: Thread appears to be gone. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Investigation-into-Ashli-Babbitt-death/75-2412028/ He justifies the shooter. He does call her a dumbass also, but I guess that’s ok. Thread appears to be gone. Sorry, it's team. The solution there was to "vigorously debate" the poster. Can't have an echo chamber, after all. Well, you can under certain circumstances but not for this. She was just a dumbass. |
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Quoted: I'm the same way, classic liberal trope. It's always "fire in a crowded theater", which is bullshit. You are free to yell it, just be prepared for the consequences. But you can yell fire in a crowded theater, especially when its on fire, or even if you see smoke and think it is. |
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Quoted: Thread appears to be gone. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Investigation-into-Ashli-Babbitt-death/75-2412028/ He justifies the shooter. He does call her a dumbass also, but I guess that’s ok. Thread appears to be gone. It still exists. It's in team now. |
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Quoted: Define encryption. Non English odd languages can be a form of "encryption", yet not technically encryption. Would morse code rot13 be considered "encryption". Quoted: Quoted: It's also, last I checked, unable to be legally encrypted. Ham radio is not more secure, but it certainly could be more consistent. Define encryption. Non English odd languages can be a form of "encryption", yet not technically encryption. Would morse code rot13 be considered "encryption". P != NP |
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Quoted: Thread appears to be gone. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Investigation-into-Ashli-Babbitt-death/75-2412028/ He justifies the shooter. He does call her a dumbass also, but I guess that’s ok. Thread appears to be gone. Its in a team member only forum |
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Quoted: Sorry, it's team. The solution there was to "vigorously debate" the poster. Can't have an echo chamber, after all. Well, you can under certain circumstances but not for this. She was just a dumbass. Under the law, she was an unarmed trespasser. That's a petty-low crime to be shot and murdered for. Did the doors she was at have any "authorized personnel only" signs ? |