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10/18/2018 11:29:53 PM EDT
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Lot of people in this thread who would rather be lied to.
10/18/2018 11:30:52 PM EDT
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Do they think it will help their cause.  Should have just raised prices 3% and no one would know the difference.
10/18/2018 11:31:56 PM EDT
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OK, break down all your line items if you want.  If you add it on top of the listed price I'm going elsewhere.  I'm already paying your employee's wage via tips, I'm not adding any more other bullshit charges on.
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The left doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.

This is the difference between paying $14.50 with $1.50 healthcare surcharge and $16.

That $1.50 doesn't just disappear when it's rolled into the check.

Basic economics, how does it work!?
10/18/2018 11:32:18 PM EDT
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Protip, $10+$2 is the same as $12.
10/18/2018 11:32:38 PM EDT
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Is that in Keith Ellisons district?
10/18/2018 11:34:57 PM EDT
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Fuck that.  I have to pay my own increase in health care cost, why pay for theirs too.
10/18/2018 11:37:34 PM EDT
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Do they think it will help their cause.  Should have just raised prices 3% and no one would know the difference.
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Do they think it will help their cause.  Should have just raised prices 3% and no one would know the difference.
They do it publicly because they think people will think they are heroes and go to their restaurants more.

Sadly, it's probably true, because the majority of people around the twin cities are liberal morons.
10/18/2018 11:38:48 PM EDT
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https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/what-is-this-health-and-wellness-charge-on-my-food-bill/89-605763428

More restaurants are adding a “health and wellness charge” to help offset the rising costs of health insurance.

Owners of the Travail Collective are the latest to join this new trend.

Earlier this week the company started charging a 3% fee at both its restaurants, Travail Kitchen and Amusements and The Pig Ate My Pizza in Robbinsdale.
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I am shocked, just shocked.

Government forcing business to spend more means they are going to charge more? i just can't believe it.
10/18/2018 11:39:23 PM EDT
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The left doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.

This is the difference between paying $14.50 with $1.50 healthcare surcharge and $16.

That $1.50 doesn't just disappear when it's rolled into the check.

Basic economics, how does it work!?
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Hidden taxes work (for the government).  As long as it isn't being waived right in front of their face, most people are blissfully ignorant of all the taxes they pay in addition to the obvious ones.
10/18/2018 11:41:37 PM EDT
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Fuck that.  I have to pay my own increase in health care cost, why pay for theirs too.
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You're paying it every time you do business with a store, restaurant, manufacturer, etc who is subject to the employer health insurance mandate in Obamacare.   They're passing the cost of that health insurance onto you, the customer, whether you see it or not.
10/18/2018 11:44:02 PM EDT
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Hope they go under from no one buying their shit
10/18/2018 11:48:15 PM EDT
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Also, The Pig Ate My Pizza in Robbinsdale is shitty overpriced pizza. Hackenmueller Meats and Wicked Wort Brewing (both across the street from the shitty pizza) are GTG.
10/18/2018 11:58:10 PM EDT
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10/19/2018 12:00:40 AM EDT
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I agree with the concept of itemizing taxes on the bill but percentage base is just going to piss people off and reduce tipping it also doesn't reflect the actual cost to the business. If it was a flat rate I'd approve.
10/19/2018 12:03:41 AM EDT
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How the fuck is it a hidden fees and charge when it's itemized on the bill?

Do you think that businesses don't roll increases of their operating costs into their pricing?
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Is it on the menu?
I don't want to do math to figure out how much my bill will actually be, beyond sales tax.
10/19/2018 12:05:49 AM EDT
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10/19/2018 12:06:45 AM EDT
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Hidden taxes work (for the government).  As long as it isn't being waived right in front of their face, most people are blissfully ignorant of all the taxes they pay in addition to the obvious ones.
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Holy fucking damnit the number of people here who don't understand this is absolutely mind boggling.
10/19/2018 7:59:43 AM EDT
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No, tips went down to crossed off line with "Enjoy your health insurance" written down. Fuck hidden fees and charges.
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Good idea. Fuck over the server, who has nothing to do with any of this. That will show them.
10/19/2018 8:00:09 AM EDT
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The left doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.

This is the difference between paying $14.50 with $1.50 healthcare surcharge and $16.

That $1.50 doesn't just disappear when it's rolled into the check.

Basic economics, how does it work!?
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OK, break down all your line items if you want.  If you add it on top of the listed price I'm going elsewhere.  I'm already paying your employee's wage via tips, I'm not adding any more other bullshit charges on.
The left doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.

This is the difference between paying $14.50 with $1.50 healthcare surcharge and $16.

That $1.50 doesn't just disappear when it's rolled into the check.

Basic economics, how does it work!?
Don't be obtuse. No one said it disappears. I don't give a shit how you arrive at the cost for your product. Give me the total cost of it and don't play games. They pay property taxes too, want that as a separate line item? How about health inspector compliance? Electricity? Water? Why not break down each segment of your payroll? Here's a 17 cent line item for the bus boys and 14 cents for the dishwasher. We just upgraded the lighting, now we have a .4 cent per item surcharge...

The bald faced socialist aspect of it with the "each according to his ability" aside, there are also the less obvious angles. They don't call it a health care mandatory surcharge, they put a bow on that pig and call it a health and wellness charge, who could be against that? Then we have the "It's only 3%" angle with them boiling the frog slowly. Most people don't give a shit about 3%, any complaints get met with "then don't go out to eat." Why should the businesses stand up and fight these mandates when they can just score some quick virtue signalling points by playing it off as something positive instead of calling it what it is?

It's a shitty tactic from a consumer standpoint, it's a devious tactic from a political standpoint. The fact that so many happily swallow and can't see the downside it is the evidence of mass ignorance.
10/19/2018 8:02:21 AM EDT
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Sit down restaurants have been in steady decline the last several years.  This is a great way to pile drive that last nail in the coffin.
10/19/2018 8:14:47 AM EDT
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How the fuck is it a hidden fees and charge when it's itemized on the bill?

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No, tips went down to crossed off line with "Enjoy your health insurance" written down. Fuck hidden fees and charges.
How the fuck is it a hidden fees and charge when it's itemized on the bill?

Do you think that businesses don't roll increases of their operating costs into their pricing?
dude give it up.  amazing number of mouthbreathing retards in here
10/19/2018 8:24:41 AM EDT
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Include all of the bullshit in your menu prices, and at the bottom of each page of the menu include a note that says
"Price includes cost for government mandated insurance."

That's how you do it without being a fucking douchecanoe.
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Yep, has been a while but have seen stickers on gas pumps indicating how much of the price was tax.
10/19/2018 8:50:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like a 3% reduction in their tips....
10/19/2018 8:51:55 AM EDT
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This is the difference between paying $14.50 with $1.50 healthcare surcharge and $16.
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$1.50 isnt 3% of $14 either......
10/19/2018 9:01:15 AM EDT
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https://www.travailkitchen.com/faq

Sounds like commie shit to me.
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DO I LEAVE A GRATUITY?
When you are purchasing your ticketed reservation there is a 21% Service Fee and Health & Wellness Surcharge added when you checkout. (this includes a 18 % service fee and a 3% Health & Wellness Surcharge, which helps us provide health insurance and a liveable wage for all employees). This is also applied to any purchases you make at the restaurant, on beverages etc. There is no expectation of additional gratuity, but you can leave additional tip at your discretion.
https://www.travailkitchen.com/faq

Sounds like commie shit to me.
The gall of these people. 'A liveable wage'??? How about that comes out of your end as a cost of doing business instead of getting it thru this surcharge? How about you let customers take a look at your books to see what the owner's margin is, to determine why he isn't paying 'liveable wage' to his employees - and while we're at it, let's have a look at their immigration status.
10/19/2018 9:10:03 AM EDT
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I've only watched "Blackhawk Down" twice. Is it really like the Mog?
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It wasn’t even close!
10/19/2018 9:38:07 AM EDT
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Why?  They're itemizing costs mandated by the government.  You're going to pay more, either way.
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Why?  They're itemizing costs mandated by the government.  You're going to pay more, either way.
No, no I'm not. They will have to hide it because I'm not paying their  insurance.
10/19/2018 9:44:40 AM EDT
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if they never mentioned it and just added it to the prices you would have no idea, no objection and not be a 3% asshole to the server.

if anything it looks a bit like protesting. because it needed not be itemized and mentioned at all otherwise.
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Correct, but this is GD.
10/19/2018 11:36:51 AM EDT
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Lot of people in this thread who would rather be lied to.
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Is fact that 3% added obvious on menu?

I want to know cost up front, not surprise added.

Like charge for "shop supplies" at car repair, that charge should be obvious or included in quote, not surprise added.

Just charge more for the damn food or hourly rate rather than tack on a charge on top of what one expects to pay. Between going out to eat or having a car repair, one is very easy for me to skip, I can eat at home.
10/19/2018 11:38:39 AM EDT
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Sit down restaurants have been in steady decline the last several years.  This is a great way to pile drive that last nail in the coffin.
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Really?  There are more than ever here and more opening soon.
10/19/2018 11:40:49 AM EDT
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https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/what-is-this-health-and-wellness-charge-on-my-food-bill/89-605763428

More restaurants are adding a “health and wellness charge” to help offset the rising costs of health insurance.

Owners of the Travail Collective are the latest to join this new trend.

Earlier this week the company started charging a 3% fee at both its restaurants, Travail Kitchen and Amusements and The Pig Ate My Pizza in Robbinsdale.
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The should also indicate how much of the cost goes to government support. That would shock a few people.
10/19/2018 11:52:49 AM EDT
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Is fact that 3% added obvious on menu?

I want to know cost up front, not surprise added.

Like charge for "shop supplies" at car repair, that charge should be obvious or included in quote, not surprise added.

Just charge more for the damn food or hourly rate rather than tack on a charge on top of what one expects to pay. Between going out to eat or having a car repair, one is very easy for me to skip, I can eat at home.
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Lot of people in this thread who would rather be lied to.
Is fact that 3% added obvious on menu?

I want to know cost up front, not surprise added.

Like charge for "shop supplies" at car repair, that charge should be obvious or included in quote, not surprise added.

Just charge more for the damn food or hourly rate rather than tack on a charge on top of what one expects to pay. Between going out to eat or having a car repair, one is very easy for me to skip, I can eat at home.
Yup. Itemize all you want. Under the total cost. Put the price I have to pay next to the item, not in small print at the bottom. Of course look at the menu boards of the restaurant online and you'll see they don't make any mention of it. They're not doing this as a protest or trying to inform consumers. They're trying to sneak it in.
10/19/2018 11:55:41 AM EDT
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Sounds like a 3% reduction in their tips....
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how does taking away from the servers income show the restaurant owners anything?
10/19/2018 12:01:03 PM EDT
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As much as they are doing it to virtue signal, I think a large part of it is so that they can have 'lower' menu prices as compared to the competition.

Most people will have it in their head that the place is less expensive than other places that offer equivalent fare.
10/19/2018 12:05:22 PM EDT
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Travail Collective Part in bold is all I need to know. Fuckin' communists.
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Fuckers are generous with OTHER people's money, aren't they?
10/19/2018 12:10:17 PM EDT
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IDK, seems to me that this is their way of saying "thanks obama, you fucking fuck for obamacare"
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That’s the first thing I thought too. It lets everyone know that the price of their meal has just increased directly because of the Democrat’s healthcare law.
10/19/2018 12:13:30 PM EDT
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How about you just up your entree prices?  I don't want to be inundated with political bullshit while I'm eating my pizza and getting drunk.
10/19/2018 12:16:59 PM EDT
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I've only watched "Blackhawk Down" twice. Is it really like the Mog?
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Needs more belt-fed to be like the Mog.
10/19/2018 12:21:32 PM EDT
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Then say goodbye to some of your tip.
10/19/2018 12:27:19 PM EDT
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Good idea. Fuck over the server, who has nothing to do with any of this. That will show them.
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They charge a 18% service fee on top of the 3%.
10/19/2018 12:40:24 PM EDT
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No, no I'm not. They will have to hide it because I'm not paying their  insurance.
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Yes you are.  You'll still be paying it even if they hide it.

If you rent, you're also paying the property tax on the piece of property you're renting.
10/19/2018 12:44:15 PM EDT
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There are some restaurants in Seattle who add a 3% 'living wage' surcharge onto your bill.
They claim its due to having to pay their servers $15 an hour min wage ( and of course they get tips on top of that - so you figure $25-40an hour to wait tables )

Its a fucking scam and a few places I now avoid its not posted anywhere in the establishment so the customer has no notice they are gonna get shafted. And WA sales tax is near 10% for those who do not know. So 10% sales tax 3% living wage fee and then they want their 20% tip on top of that. Then factor in there is near zero free parking anywhere downtown Seattle

And they wander why I have not eaten at a downtown Seattle restaurant in close to 3 yrs

Here is the info
10/19/2018 12:45:59 PM EDT
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There are some restaurants in Seattle who add a 3% 'living wage' surcharge onto your bill.
They claim its due to having to pay their servers $15 an hour min wage ( and of course they get tips on top of that - so you figure $25-40an hour to wait tables )

Its a fucking scam and a few places I now avoid its not posted anywhere in the establishment so the customer has no notice they are gonna get shafted. And WA sales tax is near 10% for those who do not know. So 10% sales tax 3% living wage fee and then they want their 20% tip on top of that. Then factor in there is near zero free parking anywhere downtown Seattle

And they wander why I have not eaten at a downtown Seattle restaurant in close to 3 yrs
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Weird how the cost of living is so high in places like that, right?
10/19/2018 12:48:39 PM EDT
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I wouldn't eat there anymore.

Build it in the cost and hide it like all your other expenses. This reeks of a political statement.
10/19/2018 1:00:20 PM EDT
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Seen similar charges on bills in Cali, it comes straight out of their tip, plus a percentage for trying to scam me.
10/19/2018 1:02:48 PM EDT
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Is it on the menu?
I don't want to do math to figure out how much my bill will actually be, beyond sales tax.
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How the fuck is it a hidden fees and charge when it's itemized on the bill?

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Is it on the menu?
I don't want to do math to figure out how much my bill will actually be, beyond sales tax.
This. If it's not advertised plainly before the bill comes, it's costing them money. No I dgaf if my tip is now well below established norms, you'll never see me again anyway.
10/19/2018 1:02:59 PM EDT
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Fuck that.  I have to pay my own increase in health care cost, why pay for theirs too.
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You don’t think your company’s pricing doesn’t include their part of your bennies?
10/19/2018 1:07:45 PM EDT
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That's ok, that 20% tip just became a 17% tip, and if the waiter sucks ill pay the damn 3% but leave a dickbutt drawing on the receipt where the tip amount goes.
10/19/2018 1:16:00 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the "electricity surcharge" hotels tried to pull.  I should just be happy with my undisclosed "resort fee"
10/19/2018 1:21:17 PM EDT
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I like how the owner says "hes" been covering health care since 1993.

"He" obviously means his customers

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