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I've wanted to pick up an FRT, but have held off. I've been waiting for a 3 position version that takes a standard safety and for the ATF problems & court cases to get sorted out. They're also expensive, so I haven't been in a hurry. I'd get one at around $300-400, but wouldn't equip all my rifles regardless of price. My match AR and SPR have Geissele or Hiper Fire already, my home defense rifle has a factory trigger, and I'd need to put together another rifle to put the FRT somewhere. I wish you well in your manufacturing adventure. If you don't have a background making stuff, you might be in for a surprise at what it takes to manufacture these triggers. |
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Quoted: I would have no interest in putting them in any of our ARs. I don't have any that are heavy enough to take full advantage of such a high rate of fire. lolwut? I have a FRT-equipped 20” pencil barrel AR that I have no problem magdumping an entire Magpul D60 and keeping it on target at 25 yards. |
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Quoted: FRTs are changing the firearm community exponentially. Super safeties for everything from glocks to AKs are all over the web and tens of thousands of people are buying them. Buying a true full auto seems like a waste of money. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s going to be interesting to see how the AFT tries to put it back in. Not sure if the current admin has the drive to push for legislative updates that would outlaw them. So circa 2028 we likely will likely have half the US states allowing FRT’s, the rest will have banned them. Great idea, love the concept, just not sure I personally would invest a chunk of money in the industry, at least in a blue state… Just one more reason the NFA is just dumb. For the OP, I could not afford to put them in all my AR’s, even at $100! But I would drop 150-250 each for 3 position, and equip some of them, but less so if I think the state will ban them, which they probably will out here... it has to be throw away level cost because of that. A 10/22 model would be pretty damned awesome for sure. Someone needs to dream that one up. |
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Quoted: Let's hope they quickly and overwhelmingly surpass the "common use" threshold. That is an interesting idea. Won’t work on glock switches, as they are inherently an NFA item, doesn’t matter if common or not if they are illegal. . But the legal protection idea might work for FRT designs though. |
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Quoted: lolwut? I have a FRT-equipped 20” pencil barrel AR that I have no problem magdumping an entire Magpul D60 and keeping it on target at 25 yards. Quoted: Quoted: I would have no interest in putting them in any of our ARs. I don't have any that are heavy enough to take full advantage of such a high rate of fire. lolwut? I have a FRT-equipped 20” pencil barrel AR that I have no problem magdumping an entire Magpul D60 and keeping it on target at 25 yards. No kidding, the AR is easily controlled. And the original AR15, M16 and M16A1 variants seemed pretty useable on F/A…with pencil barrels… |
| I say make them as best as possible and sell them for a reasonable profit. The lower the price the better. Make evey AR assembled in the last 35 years need one. I will be waiting on future updates on your FRF. Thanks for your contributions to the site and your endevor. |
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Quoted: Also, if op wants honest answers from us in the poll then he needs to add an option for "under $100, to compete with the super safety". Because in the end that is what you are competing against when you are trying to find a way to get us to buy something like that. I have shot a wot equipped rifle, a rare breed equipped rifle, and four different super safety rifles. The super safety is the best pound for pound. The other ones are not worth the triple price. Even if it went to three positions I don't know. I just never liked the idea of a part that turns the safety hole into a pivot pin hole. On an 80% receiver this hole isn't going to be anodized, so its going to wear faster. The cassette style 3 position trigger is perfect for an 80% receiver because not even the regular pivot pin holes are going to have pins rotating in them. You're also going to have accelerated wear on the safety detent and spring. It's an ingenious design, for sure. But it just seems a lot more gimmicky. |
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Quoted: Given your reputation on here for being a standup guy, I'd pay $375 for a trigger that does all of that. That price is higher than premium high end triggers but is lower than a lot of the FRT platforms. If they're reliable and work well they should sell like hotcakes at that price. 
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Quoted: I don't know. I just never liked the idea of a part that turns the safety hole into a pivot pin hole. On an 80% receiver this hole isn't going to be anodized, so its going to wear faster. The cassette style 3 position trigger is perfect for an 80% receiver because not even the regular pivot pin holes are going to have pins rotating in them. You're also going to have accelerated wear on the safety detent and spring. It's an ingenious design, for sure. But it just seems a lot more gimmicky. So literally degrease the lower once a year, and paint it, making sure to hit the holes. Wear the paint off, and re apply as needed. Oil the cam well, and it will last a long time. Worst case scenario, you ruin the safety hole completely. So then you just machine it out and install replaceable bushings or even bearings. Lowers currently are cheap. Stock up now in case you wear some out… |
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Quoted: So literally degrease the lower once a year, and paint it, making sure to hit the holes. Wear the paint off, and re apply as needed. Oil the cam well, and it will last a long time. Worst case scenario, you ruin the safety hole completely. So then you just machine it out and install replaceable bushings or even bearings. Lowers currently are cheap. Stock up now in case you wear some out Why go to all that trouble when they make a cassette style 3 position FRT? Then you wouldn't have to paint anything or stock up on lowers, which would offset the cost savings of going with the super safety. Like I said, it's a really neat design that has a few drawbacks. If I saw one in a store for $50 I'd probably buy one because why not? But I wouldn't start a new build around one. |
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Quoted: Every AR I own, I'm in at $150 per unit. Maybe that's unrealistic, but I have seen other cassette style triggers selling at that price point. At $500 per, there are multiple options out there now. At $250, I might consider more than one, but not every AR I own. You have to figure there is a solid chance they might be banned by congress and the money would be a total loss. |
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Didn't you have another thread here a few years ago about whether you'd have new MG's made legal within a couple years? Did you decide not to go down that path now? ETA: Your thread here, OP: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Who-wants-to-make-a-bet-with-me-re-new-MG-sales-/22-540989/?page=1 |
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The price of the trigger is not the reason I don't have an FRT for my AR, it's the cost of the ammo that made my mind up for me. I wouldn't buy one for $100 right now I have been contemplating one for my SP5 though :) And even then. I would only buy one FTF or at a gun show with cash. Gotta protect myself from a Fed Honeypot ya know lol |
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i`d take a couple or so for 250. having a few s.s`s and they all work great and were less than 100 but that apples & oranges to the cassette type. i dont mag dump much with my s.s`s, just have a few mins of giggles so i dont worry about ware & tear. that being said i would pay 300 or less for a 3 pos. cassette. if you need beta testing done i`d love to help out. back in the day i beta tested for blackdog when they were manufacturing their .22 ar15 50rd drum to function in a reg. lower. lot of work doing it but it was worth it. |
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The Larue MBT shifted the “performance” AR trigger price point down to around $100. Higher end triggers obviously more. But the psychological barrier of $87 for a great trigger made them a must have in all of my ARs. FRTs are an expensive “toy”. If a reliable one came out around $100-$150, it would set the pace and become a must have. |
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Quoted: FRTs are changing the firearm community exponentially. Super safeties for everything from glocks to AKs are all over the web and tens of thousands of people are buying them. Buying a true full auto seems like a waste of money. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s going to be interesting to see how the AFT tries to put it back in. ATF can’t. Congress can. |
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Quoted: A few of you are aware that I've been working on a three position FRT for several different platforms. It operates in a principle...very...different from any other existing FRTs. Prototyping is coming along nicely, and I am working on getting machinery up to do mass production by mid summer, with everything in full swing by end of the summer. Here is my question- at what price would a reliable, working FRT, with a milspec or better trigger, that uses a standard three position selector lever, go into every AR you own? It seems to me that a lot of the current offerings are pants on head retarded with what they are asking. Or maybe I'm just out of touch and all of you are moneybags? $250 would do it Hoffman SS is neat, but I'd rather have a cassette style trigger and maintain a real selector. Current FRTs on the market price exceeds what I'm willing to spend per gun. |
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Quoted: There are probably a decent amount of people like me- I want one but have nowhere to shoot it. Outdoor DNR ranges are slow fire only, I have no access to private land to shoot on and the few indoor ranges in my area don't allow centerfire rifle cartridges. If some that I'm not aware of actually do I don't think they'd allow this. This is an issue for me also. I moved from AZ to MO. I didn't realize how little "open shooting" areas there would be. I'm essentially looking to buy land just for the range space now. |
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My pain point would be around $100 - $125 max It also depends if it's nothing more than a simple Hoffman style (I know it's not a Hoffman) or are we getting a cassette style trigger, or something in between to justify the cost? I understand there's more to design, mfg costs etc..., but I hate opening up a package and saying to myself "I just paid $$ for that?!" ETA: I only own a few AR's- to me they are tools. I would (but can't due to my state) spend up to $200 for one and consider the difference between what I feel is the value to me and the actual price as a donation to Ben, he has done a lot for us. **Still waiting on the legal Machine Gun thing Ben teased us with last year. 
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Quoted: I’m editing my original reply. How about $150-$175? Probably not possible, however. I assume there is much complexity that would make that low a price difficult to achieve. @OP Ben I'd be in the 150-200 range, voting for 150. (I'm assuming a complete cassette or similar setup, preferably S7 tool steel ...MBT meets FRT  )
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$250-300 is a workable price. Hiperfire or Trigger Tech triggers are in that range. Franklin Armory Binary triggers are more. ETA: to put one in EVERY AR...that's tough to answer. Some folks (not me) have dozens of ARs. If I was needing to buy half a dozen of the same trigger at least, I'd want the price to be $100 just because $3k for the same trigger in multiple guns doesn't make as much sense as having multiple different triggers across multiple rifles. |
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I shot one a few weeks ago and compared it to an actual full auto lower on my 11.5 mid. It's basically the same thing but less reliable. If they get the reliability squared away (idk how it failed since it has an auto sear) I'll get one. Only really interested if Geissele does one. Only the 11.5 mid is flat enough to warrant that though. |
$300 wouldn't bother me but incredibly I live in a commie state  Big thanks again to Rick Scott and our anti-gun republican majority for that one...Asterisk to that - I'd be in at $300 to add that capability to one or two rifles but I wouldn't see myself feeling a need to do that for all of them. |
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Quoted: You're going to go through 200 dollars of ammo your first time taking it out. The ammo cost kind of makes the unit cost seem negligible. But I always underestimate how many people don't shoot their guns. With a 3 position option. Most would continue to shoot semi for at least 87% of their shooting. Only using the FRT option occasionally to dump a couple of mags. Even with semi only, I can’t think of a single range trip that I’ve ever went through less than $200 of ammo. 
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Quoted: I have two FRTs and might get a third. If I was going to equip every AR-pattern rifle I have with an FRT they'd need to be sub-$200. I'd be more interested in a PS90 FRT and a 10/22 FRT though. This. Hoffman style are sub-$100 for tool die steel from smaller suppliers. Franklins are overpriced at $250 but are creeping down on price. For a perfect, amazing, have it in everything you own - i'd say $100 each would be hard to say no to. $150+ and it becomes a wish-list item as we all have so many ARs |
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Quoted: A few of you are aware that I've been working on a three position FRT for several different platforms. It operates in a principle...very...different from any other existing FRTs. Prototyping is coming along nicely, and I am working on getting machinery up to do mass production by mid summer, with everything in full swing by end of the summer. Here is my question- at what price would a reliable, working FRT, with a milspec or better trigger, that uses a standard three position selector lever, go into every AR you own? It seems to me that a lot of the current offerings are pants on head retarded with what they are asking. Or maybe I'm just out of touch and all of you are moneybags? You are behind the power curve man That already exists and has patent paperwork filed on it Been in the field for months on proving grounds around the country Versions Mil-Spec Geissele SSA LaRue MBT Your welcome |
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Quoted: Didn't you have another thread here a few years ago about whether you'd have new MG's made legal within a couple years? Did you decide not to go down that path now? ETA: Your thread here, OP: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Who-wants-to-make-a-bet-with-me-re-new-MG-sales-/22-540989/?page=1 That is on hold for a variety of reasons; I had a relatively large amount of cash...and then...I was medically forced out of my civilian job...then was activated as a reservist and deployed overseas...then had a stroke and am now being medically seperated from the reserves...then had a son end up with brain damage and in the ICU for a month, who is now getting three doctors appointments a week and is imminently getting surgery again, and...the list goes on. So priorities were forced to realign in the short term, but that project isn't dead. It is sleeping. |
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If it will run 9mm I'm willing to pay more; just .223 $150, 9mm and .22 $300 for sure if we are talking all of my rifles. Ammo cost is a factor, majority of my shooting these days is 9mm. That's probably true for the majority of people that will buy these but I'm sure you have considered that. Either way im going to buy some just because i appreciate the efforts of men who have the mindset you do towards freedom and actually doing something besides talking. |
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Quoted: That is on hold for a variety of reasons; I had a relatively large amount of cash...and then...I was medically forced out of my job...then had a stroke...then had a son end up.with brain damage and in the ICU for a month, who is now getting three doctors appointments a week and is imminently getting surgery again, and...the list goes on. So priorities were forced to realign in the short term. Quoted: Quoted: Didn't you have another thread here a few years ago about whether you'd have new MG's made legal within a couple years? Did you decide not to go down that path now? ETA: Your thread here, OP: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Who-wants-to-make-a-bet-with-me-re-new-MG-sales-/22-540989/?page=1 That is on hold for a variety of reasons; I had a relatively large amount of cash...and then...I was medically forced out of my job...then had a stroke...then had a son end up.with brain damage and in the ICU for a month, who is now getting three doctors appointments a week and is imminently getting surgery again, and...the list goes on. So priorities were forced to realign in the short term. Damn man. I didn't know. Prayers sent |