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Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the large FCG pins went away around the same time as the screw-in pivot pin. |
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Quoted: Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the large FCG pins went away around the same time as the screw-in pivot pin. No, not by decades. Most restricted markings Colt rifles have large FCG pins, though with some exceptions (production years 2010/2011, a few other odd lots). |
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Quoted: No, not by decades. Most restricted markings Colt rifles have large FCG pins, though with some exceptions (production years 2010/2011, a few other odd lots). Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the large FCG pins went away around the same time as the screw-in pivot pin. No, not by decades. Most restricted markings Colt rifles have large FCG pins, though with some exceptions (production years 2010/2011, a few other odd lots). I got lucky, mine has small pins. whew |
| Got one of the Colt Canada 6920s that came in in ‘22, ended up trading it for a pair of US Property 1st series Colt Woodsman Match Targets that have finish issues but shoot fine. I miss the Diemaco but I wanted to send it out of IL before the laws here got worse. Though tbh, I probably would have done it anyway…if the finish wasn’t trashed I couldn’t have afforded one of them, much less both. |
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Quoted: When was the last A2 you bought? Quoted: Quoted: Meh, in this market I'd be curious if that price holds. When was the last A2 you bought? In my case, the last A2 I bought was a couple of months ago. "Snake" Bushmaster A2 LE trade in, $400 OTD. Actually a few pennies less. It also came with a P&W'd 14.5" bbl. Attached File |
I've got a few of those, and the few rare 20" rifles sold to LE depts during the ban.  Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. There's no need for trigger upgrades on a retro rifle. Fixed carry handle ARs are more collectors/nostalgia items than being the optimal setup. Doesn't mean they can't shoot well, but anyone chasing the lightest/fastest trigger or modular accessory handguard needs to look elsewhere. |
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Quoted: I've got a few of those, and the few rare 20" rifles sold to LE depts during the ban. https://i.imgur.com/bNEcUGZ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/MvZgLxS.jpeg There's no need for trigger upgrades on a retro rifle. Fixed carry handle ARs are more collectors/nostalgia items than being the optimal setup. Doesn't mean they can't shoot well, but anyone chasing the lightest/fastest trigger or modular accessory handguard needs to look elsewhere. Quoted: I've got a few of those, and the few rare 20" rifles sold to LE depts during the ban. https://i.imgur.com/bNEcUGZ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/MvZgLxS.jpeg Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. There's no need for trigger upgrades on a retro rifle. Fixed carry handle ARs are more collectors/nostalgia items than being the optimal setup. Doesn't mean they can't shoot well, but anyone chasing the lightest/fastest trigger or modular accessory handguard needs to look elsewhere. There’s one person in this thread already asking about an upgraded trigger, so while you may know about the large pins and not care, it could be a nasty surprise for the unfamiliar. Also there’s the issue of getting FCG parts if one breaks. |
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Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. Actually 3 categories of pins: Large front take down pins (SP1’s) which have a screwed together 5/16” pin. Small front take down pins, which also use a screwed together pin similar to the SP1 style above, but in .25” standard size. Common on some of these early 90’s LE Colts. I have several. They can be converted to normal quick release push thru pins. And the large trigger pins Colt used for quite a while. (Except for not being mil spec, and having less aftermarket options, a larger pin diameter should be less likely to wear out than a smaller one, so is isn’t all bad). |
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Quoted: Probably not. Does it have large trigger pins? It probably has that fucked up Colt trigger pocket too that won't fit an FRT. 50/50 chance it has an Auto carrier. I'd get something else. Quoted: Quoted: I am looking for a full time 3 position FRT host. Is this the one? Probably not. Does it have large trigger pins? It probably has that fucked up Colt trigger pocket too that won't fit an FRT. 50/50 chance it has an Auto carrier. I'd get something else. Super safety should work just fine, would need to alter the larger pin Colt trigger just a bit for clearance instead of using a new one. Though I would use a cheap gun with less collector value as a blaster like that. |
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Quoted: There’s one person in this thread already asking about an upgraded trigger, so while you may know about the large pins and not care, it could be a nasty surprise for the unfamiliar. Also there’s the issue of getting FCG parts if one breaks. There are cheaper guns than these that make for better/more practical long term shooters or upgradeable base guns. As for getting FCG parts, at least there's an aftermarket option. You could do worse like trying to find spares/repair parts for high round count guns that are 80's and earlier imported rifles or uncommon milsurps. |
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Quoted: Actually 3 categories of pins: Large front take down pins (SP1’s) which have a screwed together 5/16” pin. Small front take down pins, which also use a screwed together pin similar to the SP1 style above, but in .25” standard size. Common on some of these early 90’s LE Colts. I have several. They can be converted to normal quick release push thru pins. And the large trigger pins Colt used for quite a while. (Except for not being mil spec, and having less aftermarket options, a larger pin diameter should be less likely to wear out than a smaller one, so is isn’t all bad). Quoted: Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. Actually 3 categories of pins: Large front take down pins (SP1’s) which have a screwed together 5/16” pin. Small front take down pins, which also use a screwed together pin similar to the SP1 style above, but in .25” standard size. Common on some of these early 90’s LE Colts. I have several. They can be converted to normal quick release push thru pins. And the large trigger pins Colt used for quite a while. (Except for not being mil spec, and having less aftermarket options, a larger pin diameter should be less likely to wear out than a smaller one, so is isn’t all bad). That’s why I said two different categories of pins (take-down and fire control), not two types. There have been multiple types in each category. For the purposes of this thread large fire control pins are the concern. |
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You guys won’t be unhappy with these 6520’s- lightweight and handy guns. Bought some for my first agency, unfortunately nobody told me when they got traded in or I would have grabbed one. Do have a couple others but not from my own agency. Last one I got was probably 7 years ago for $500. Can’t complain about that. |
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Quoted: There are cheaper guns than these that make for better/more practical long term shooters or upgradeable base guns. As for getting FCG parts, at least there's an aftermarket option. You could do worse like trying to find spares/repair parts for high round count guns that are 80's and earlier imported rifles or uncommon milsurps. I wouldn’t bet on large pin FCG parts being a production item much longer. The large pin Colt’s still in LE arms inventories aren’t getting upgrades going forward. The motivation to make those parts is fading rapidly. If I had a large FCG pin Colt at this point I’d get at least a spare set of pins while they’re still on the market. KNS used to make some, not sure they still do. If you want to keep it original I’d try SAW. |
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Quoted: I wouldn’t bet on large pin FCG parts being a production item much longer. The large pin Colt’s still in LE arms inventories aren’t getting upgrades going forward. The motivation to make those parts is fading rapidly. If I had a large FCG pin Colt at this point I’d get at least a spare set of pins while they’re still on the market. KNS used to make some, not sure they still do. If you want to keep it original I’d try SAW. It's pay to play with the retro stuff, and the risk you assume whether you accept it or not. On average most people don't even shoot their guns enough to warrant a firing pin or extractor replacement, let alone bolt, barrel or FCG. Worst case just find another lower to do high round count work with to save wear and tear on the original. At least it's not as bad as buying a $5000 FNC just to cannibalize a replacement bolt/small parts in order to keep a transferable running or replace a gun that no longer runs. |
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Quoted: I wouldn’t bet on large pin FCG parts being a production item much longer. The large pin Colt’s still in LE arms inventories aren’t getting upgrades going forward. The motivation to make those parts is fading rapidly. If I had a large FCG pin Colt at this point I’d get at least a spare set of pins while they’re still on the market. KNS used to make some, not sure they still do. If you want to keep it original I’d try SAW. Quoted: Quoted: There are cheaper guns than these that make for better/more practical long term shooters or upgradeable base guns. As for getting FCG parts, at least there's an aftermarket option. You could do worse like trying to find spares/repair parts for high round count guns that are 80's and earlier imported rifles or uncommon milsurps. I wouldn’t bet on large pin FCG parts being a production item much longer. The large pin Colt’s still in LE arms inventories aren’t getting upgrades going forward. The motivation to make those parts is fading rapidly. If I had a large FCG pin Colt at this point I’d get at least a spare set of pins while they’re still on the market. KNS used to make some, not sure they still do. If you want to keep it original I’d try SAW. Pins are simple to make, very easy. And if you really had to, you could run a bushing at the receiver to run small diameter trigger groups (with a retained pin), though a simple answer would be to just machine a mil spec size trigger set to the larger diameter. So it is probably possible to modify most of the aftermarket sets to large pin, if someone really felt the need. Easiest answer is to have spare pins and OEM trigger parts in the spares, but it won’t be unfixable so long as machinists and talented folks exist. Pretty sure I could do it, and I am not either of those. |
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Quoted: That’s why I said two different categories of pins (take-down and fire control), not two types. There have been multiple types in each category. For the purposes of this thread large fire control pins are the concern. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. Actually 3 categories of pins: Large front take down pins (SP1’s) which have a screwed together 5/16” pin. Small front take down pins, which also use a screwed together pin similar to the SP1 style above, but in .25” standard size. Common on some of these early 90’s LE Colts. I have several. They can be converted to normal quick release push thru pins. And the large trigger pins Colt used for quite a while. (Except for not being mil spec, and having less aftermarket options, a larger pin diameter should be less likely to wear out than a smaller one, so is isn’t all bad). That’s why I said two different categories of pins (take-down and fire control), not two types. There have been multiple types in each category. For the purposes of this thread large fire control pins are the concern. Eh- purpose of the thread is to talk about 6520’s and if people should buy one... Early 6520’s will have those screw together small front take down pins I mentioned, and some of the folks who bought one might not realize it…so now they know, if they read it at least. |
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Quoted: Eh- purpose of the thread is to talk about 6520’s and if people should buy one... Early 6520’s will have those screw together small front take down pins I mentioned, and some of the folks who bought one might not realize it…so now they know, if they read it at least. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow, the confusion in this thread about colt pins is amazing. There are TWO DIFFERENT categories of fucked-up pins Colt used over the years. The takedown pins, and the fire control pins. They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. The large trigger pins were used between about 1991 and 2009. It is hard to notice the trigger pin size on a casual look. The large trigger pins suck balls, you can't use standard AR triggers with them If a Colt LE gun has restricted markings, there is a very good chance it has the large (non-standard) pins. The restricted markings went away around 2011 or so. Only a few years of normal size pins and restricted markings. Actually 3 categories of pins: Large front take down pins (SP1’s) which have a screwed together 5/16” pin. Small front take down pins, which also use a screwed together pin similar to the SP1 style above, but in .25” standard size. Common on some of these early 90’s LE Colts. I have several. They can be converted to normal quick release push thru pins. And the large trigger pins Colt used for quite a while. (Except for not being mil spec, and having less aftermarket options, a larger pin diameter should be less likely to wear out than a smaller one, so is isn’t all bad). That’s why I said two different categories of pins (take-down and fire control), not two types. There have been multiple types in each category. For the purposes of this thread large fire control pins are the concern. Eh- purpose of the thread is to talk about 6520’s and if people should buy one... Early 6520’s will have those screw together small front take down pins I mentioned, and some of the folks who bought one might not realize it…so now they know, if they read it at least. The problem with the FCG pin size is it sneaks up on buyers that aren’t “Colt people”, most folks that know ARs will notice a wacky takedown pin, but the FCG pins are a lot less obvious, you basically have to be looking for it. |
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Quoted: No. Sold out. Large pins (we think) about your only options: https://geissele.com/super-semi-automatic-enhanced-ssa-e-trigger-large-pin.html https://geissele.com/super-semi-automatic-ssar-trigger-large-pin.html Quoted: No. Sold out. Large pins (we think) about your only options: https://geissele.com/super-semi-automatic-enhanced-ssa-e-trigger-large-pin.html https://geissele.com/super-semi-automatic-ssar-trigger-large-pin.html Thankfully G does that, though I would get on it if you want one, they may change their mind at some point. My 6920's isn't bad and I don't shoot it often, I should still p/u a SSA LP. Quoted: They fucked-up takedown pins went away a long long time ago and are easy to spot. God those were awful. My AR15 Sporter had them (well, the front one). Then when 16" became all the rage, which was during an AWB, you had to get the adapter. It worked fine, but it was an annoyance. |
| If you like Retro Colt AR-15’s then you will love this rifle. You don’t need a new trigger and the pins will never wear out. If you want a new AR-15 with the newest wiz bang tech then please buy a new Colt or save some money and buy a PSA. Save these Retro Colts for those of us that appreciate them. Build your own exactly how you like them and don’t bubba our Retro Colts. They don’t come around that often in this config so if you bought one, appreciate it for what it is, shoot I, enjoy it, and preserve it as it will only go up in value over time. Thank you to OP for posting this thread as I was able to order one before they sold out. |
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Quoted: No way I’d buy one of those. It literally says restricted to military/government/law enforcement on the gun! Not worth the risk of getting jammed up. That will not get you jammed up. It means nothing legally. Due to and only sold to police during the 94-2004 Clinton Ban. Since the ban expired they can be sold to the public. |
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Quoted: No way I'd buy one of those. It literally says restricted to military/government/law enforcement on the gun! Not worth the risk of getting jammed up.  If I'm remembering correctly, 'Restricted' terminology needed to be on 11+ capacity mags during the ban. Colt decided to also put it on their verbotten to civies guns to make LEO buyers feel extra elite as a marketing move. It's meaningless legally, although you're right about the potential to ruffle the Karens in the world. |
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Quoted: If you like Retro Colt AR-15’s then you will love this rifle. You don’t need a new trigger and the pins will never wear out. If you want a new AR-15 with the newest wiz bang tech then please buy a new Colt or save some money and buy a PSA. Save these Retro Colts for those of us that appreciate them. Build your own exactly how you like them and don’t bubba our Retro Colts. They don’t come around that often in this config so if you bought one, appreciate it for what it is, shoot I, enjoy it, and preserve it as it will only go up in value over time. Thank you to OP for posting this thread as I was able to order one before they sold out. This 110% |
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Quoted: Kids these days! :) that's how "pre ban feature" guns were marked during the federal assault weapon ban for sale to police. It's funny these cop guns have Colt's retarded pre awb bullshit with the funky uppers, bolt carrier and trigger control group. Quoted: Quoted: "Restricted markings". Have those ever been more than a marketing gimmick? |
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Quoted: In my case, the last A2 I bought was a couple of months ago. "Snake" Bushmaster A2 LE trade in, $400 OTD. Actually a few pennies less. It also came with a P&W'd 14.5" bbl. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/BushmasterA2i_jpeg-3411232.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh, in this market I'd be curious if that price holds. When was the last A2 you bought? In my case, the last A2 I bought was a couple of months ago. "Snake" Bushmaster A2 LE trade in, $400 OTD. Actually a few pennies less. It also came with a P&W'd 14.5" bbl. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/BushmasterA2i_jpeg-3411232.JPG Nice. |