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the moment the fbi put out their findings that the p320 was going off in the holster by simply twisting the frame or jolting/ vibrating like we already knew for a while thats when it truly became the end and final phase for sig. simply because whatever the fbi says is what works in court and sig no longer has a foot to stand on. everything from that moment last week or whenever onwards is just more of the final phase. the other branches have not yet recalled it so more soldiers will likely get shot and possibly more will get killed. 3 have died so far and one was a service member. the other 2 were kept quiet until just now because sig swept them under the rug. sig knows and knew all along. |
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Quoted: I wonder who Sig bribed to make modularity the main component of the pistol trials, they were the only truly modular entry, it was basically written for them. Quoted: Quoted: I remember quite a few threads of SIG 320 vs Glock and 320 fanboys being all "the future is now old man".  I wonder who Sig bribed to make modularity the main component of the pistol trials, they were the only truly modular entry, it was basically written for them. maybe the general that they gave a six figure job to the minute he retired? |
| The P320 will go away despite Sig’s most ardent objections. People will simply quit buying them. Departments won’t contract to have them supplied. It will become cost ineffective to keep making them. That’s what happens in free market economies. By failing to fix the problem, the consumer is fixing it for Sig. It is ending now. |
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SIG decided to double down and according to this news report, last month filed a law suit against WA police academy to force them to reverse their ban on SIG P320's. Also requests that the training departments director be barred from making public statements about the SIG P320.  Skip the beginning and go to 2:08 in the news report. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCW2cGxNpNI |
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Quoted: I don’t think it was greed. I think Glock actually presented an appropriate price for their guns. From what I’ve read, sig’s offering came out to $180 to $200 per pistol. There is no way they can make a profit on that price. I believe they purposely undercut the competition just to get the contract, even at a loss. If they did this, and it can be proven, SIG may be investigated for predatory pricing (or below-cost bidding), which would certainly add to their woes. |
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Quoted: SIG decided to double down and according to this news report, last month filed a law suit against WA police academy to force them to reverse their ban on SIG P320's. Also requests that the training departments director be barred from making public statements about the SIG P320. Skip the beginning and go to 2:08 in the news report. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCW2cGxNpNI My agency is in the process of banning them. |
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Quoted: Because it is nowhere as reliable or proven as a Glock. S&W is second tier at best. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will need a manual safety. S&W M&P has this. It’s an American company and a great gun. I don’t see why they snub this gun? Because it is nowhere as reliable or proven as a Glock. S&W is second tier at best. lol Glock certainly has better marketing! Perfection! |
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I don't own a SIG P320, but here's a thought after seeing many of the YouTube videos about the P320. Some of the videos show excessive play (up/down, side/side) between the slide and the frame. Considering that the striker assembly is in the slide and the sear catch is in the frame, then the engagement between the striker and the sear catch is affected by this play. The sear catch is has a spring which should force it back into full engagement with the striker even as the slide and frame are being moved relative to one another. But is this really happening if there are quality control problems like a poor finish or rough edge on the sear catch or striker engagement face. (Unfinished MIM parts?) I say this because I ran into a similar problem with a FN SCAR. I would begin pulling the trigger and due to poor finish and resultant friction between the trigger and hammer engagement surface, the trigger would not return to full reset position. It would remain halfway pulled even when I let off the trigger. Also had this same trigger reset problem with an old Browning Hi-Power. So now throw in that the pistol is in a cop's duty holster all day as the slide is subjected to being moved around. Is the sear catch progressively walking out of engagement with the striker every time the slide is moved? The video where the guy uses the screw to simulate 1mm of trigger travel may inadvertently also be increasing the engagement force between the sear catch and striker, thus not allowing the sear engagement to fully reset. Then as he moves the slide up and down and side to side, the sear catch might be incrementally walking off the striker engagement until it moves far enough that the striker releases. |
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Quoted: If they did this, and it can be proven, SIG may be investigated for predatory pricing (or below-cost bidding), which would certainly add to their woes. Quoted: Quoted: I don’t think it was greed. I think Glock actually presented an appropriate price for their guns. From what I’ve read, sig’s offering came out to $180 to $200 per pistol. There is no way they can make a profit on that price. I believe they purposely undercut the competition just to get the contract, even at a loss. If they did this, and it can be proven, SIG may be investigated for predatory pricing (or below-cost bidding), which would certainly add to their woes. How do you think Glock took over the LE market?? They sold way under MSRP to LE and bought your agency’s old guns (at way below market value-just like a car dealer trade in) to sell in the “used LE gun” market. When Glock first started making guns, their factory cost was less than $70. They were still killing it selling LE in the low $300s, sometimes mid to upper $200s with larger agencies, then making up the difference and then some on the sale of the used LE guns they took in on trade. When I explain this to folks, I finish with Glock isn’t just in the Glock business; they’re in the Gun business. Ask any gun or auto dealer, or just google it, the high profits margins come from used sales. |
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Quoted: Should have went M&P or the Glock. Best pick though would have been the M&P with it being American made https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294279/20250706_092228_jpg-3593291.JPG Good looking pistol. I have 3 American made Glocks, 2 gen 3 17s and a gen 3 G26, all made in Georgia. |
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Quoted: Military should have just picked glock. It's the best option. Proven reliable, proven safe. Already used by the military. Cheap. Agreed. I like the M&P, I own 8 examples, but the Glock is already an issued pistol, in the system with an NSN. Not just issuing Glocks was a waste of money and fucking retarded. |
