[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Inside The AK 74 - LV Video (Page 2 of 6)
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Quoted: Did he say that you can never find ANY working AKs ever? No, just that the flex and repeated impacts can cause premature wear. Look up reductio ad absurdum. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Notice the bolt carrier slamming into the back of the receiver. That's a bad thing, in case you were wondering. One of the reasons why AK's shoot themselves into inoperability over time rather quickly. Lulz. No. Lulz. Yes. LRThe knows his shit.  Did he say that you can never find ANY working AKs ever? No, just that the flex and repeated impacts can cause premature wear. Look up reductio ad absurdum. NB |
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Notice the bolt carrier slamming into the back of the receiver. That's a bad thing, in case you were wondering. One of the reasons why AK's shoot themselves into inoperability over time rather quickly. Lulz. No. Lulz. Yes. LRThe knows his shit. Did he say that you can never find ANY working AKs ever? No, just that the flex and repeated impacts can cause premature wear. Look up reductio ad absurdum. Wrong. He said "AK's shoot themselves into inoperability over time rather quickly" which is mildly retarded. |
AK's are "wore out" when new.  They are designed and manufactured with sloppiness as a design feature.  The only place that has true tolerance is the bolt locking lugs into the front trunnion/ barrel assembly because, well it's important to not blowing your face off. They are great guns as long as you accept that they belong in a trash can. Or maybe made from one.  |
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AK's are "wore out" when new.
They are designed and manufactured with sloppiness as a design feature.
The only place that has true tolerance is the bolt locking lugs into the front trunnion/ barrel assembly because, well it's important to not blowing your face off. They are great guns as long as you accept that they belong in a trash can. Or maybe made from one. I thought it had to be made from a shovel? |
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That's called "being an AK". Quoted:
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What's up with the piston banging around for position before it goes into whatever it is you cal the part that it goes into? That's called "being an AK". Normally, with the gas tube in place, the piston head bangs around inside the gas tube and aligns into the gas block. The Finns fixed this major design flaw on the Rk62, 76, 92, and 95. Their piston head is splayed like a star on the cross-sectional axis, so the gas dynamics are more controlled too. The Finnish gas tube is long and smooth, and attaches to the receiver, not held in place by that big receiver trunnion/rear sight garbage like on the AK. If you have a Galil, you're looking at the Finnish design copied by the Israelis. |
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True More like a few thousand, but the point stands Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. True More like a few thousand, but the point stands Who wants to tell flyingjibus the bad news? https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=127231 |
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Notice the bolt carrier slamming into the back of the receiver. That's a bad thing, in case you were wondering. One of the reasons why AK's shoot themselves into inoperability over time rather quickly. Lulz. No. No lulz, yes. Seen it happen too many times to count now, even on low round count guns. See any of the other threads on this. It's been beat to death, that subject, like what an AK does to itself when you shoot them. |
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See boys and girls, that's why you develop a good base infrastructure for machining.
So your army doesn't have to fight with cheap high-school shop class stamped shit like that. 
Sure, the AK will stand up to a lifetime of being hidden under mats in a mud hut, waved around in defiant gestures, the occasional celebratory mag dump, and slaughtering villages full of people of the opposing tribe. But actually shooting the things, you know, silly stuff like training.... that tends to significantly shorten their lifespan. |
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. 
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Nope. Because the gas tube was removed. It guides the piston into the gas block. Quoted:
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1:43 piston can't reseat because the piece of shit is so sloppy. Nope. Because the gas tube was removed. It guides the piston into the gas block. Some peoples' kids man, right? |
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Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg I assume you mean the gas tube locking lever walking into an unlocked position. |
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Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Huh? 
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Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Gas tube roll pins huh? |
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See boys and girls, that's why you develop a good base infrastructure for machining. So your army doesn't have to fight with cheap high-school shop class stamped shit like that.
Sure, the AK will stand up to a lifetime of being hidden under mats in a mud hut, waved around in defiant gestures, the occasional celebratory mag dump, and slaughtering villages full of people of the opposing tribe. But actually shooting the things, you know, silly stuff like training.... that tends to significantly shorten their lifespan. This is probably the best way to describe them. The assumption is often made that since we see a rusted, rat-raped, mud-caked, taped up, stock removed AK in the hands of an aboriginal specimen, that it is the most reliable assault rifle in the world, never mind the numerous little brown guys around the globe who are in the same circumstances, only with corroded and broken handgaurd M16A1's. Any weapon that has been shoddily-constructed, not maintained, then put through a professional training regimen is going to start sputtering. The problem is, there are brand new AK's that will do that out of the box, like a Bushmaster XM15E2S with no lube fed Wolf steel cased ammo from USA or Pro Mags. |
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Quoted: Did he say that you can never find ANY working AKs ever? No, just that the flex and repeated impacts can cause premature wear. Look up reductio ad absurdum. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Notice the bolt carrier slamming into the back of the receiver. That's a bad thing, in case you were wondering. One of the reasons why AK's shoot themselves into inoperability over time rather quickly. Lulz. No. Lulz. Yes. LRThe knows his shit. Did he say that you can never find ANY working AKs ever? No, just that the flex and repeated impacts can cause premature wear. Look up reductio ad absurdum. It's DESIGNED to flex. The Soviets didn't accidentally make a rifle with a flexing receiver. Hence, why the AK uses soft metal rivets so that the rivets flex with the receiver and not bust off. It's part of the rifle's loose tolerances and function that help it be very reliable. |
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Quoted: Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Quoted: Quoted: This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg |
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Quoted: They're shooting the gun fucking stripped.....Quoted: Quoted: 1:43 piston can't reseat because the piece of shit is so sloppy. They're shooting the gun fucking stripped..... |
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It's DESIGNED to flex. The Soviets didn't accidentally make a rifle with a flexing receiver. Hence, why the AK uses soft metal rivets so that the rivets flex with the receiver and not bust off. It's part of the rifle's loose tolerances and function that help it be very reliable. I'm aware of this. Hence the leaded rivets. I still think AKs beat themselves to death a bit faster than AR15s and their overall reliability and long term durability is strongly overhyped. This has been done to death on these forums and there are several threads in the past few weeks even discussing it in great detail. |
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I assume you mean the gas tube locking lever walking into an unlocked position. Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg I assume you mean the gas tube locking lever walking into an unlocked position. No. I've never seen that. I'm talking about the roll pin that secures the piston to the bolt carrier. With high volume fire, it walks out and starts dragging against the inside of the gas tube, until the gas tube is ruined. That's what happened with those guns. We had 11,500rds of 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 combined. There were at least 8 guns, if not 10. We ran an average of 1150 to 1440rds per gun in about 4 hours, and at least 75% of the Romanian guns broke, self-immolated in that manner. I don't recall any breakage issues with the Deutsche Demokratische Republik MPKiMS-74's, and maybe saw a handful of malfs at the most that day. They seemed to truck along well for being new guns. For a matter of comparison, I have run my issue M4's to the tune of 1100rds in 4 hours doing CQM, to include AUTO fire to warm the guns up in the start, with no malfs at all shooting M855. Nothing broke, and I deployed with the same guns. That even includes old mags with green or black followers. |
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Quoted: If it were built right it wouldn't have a piston in the first place. Quoted: Quoted: If it were built right the piston would return from where it came and not wobble around and smack the side of the gas block. If it were built right it wouldn't have a piston in the first place. |
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Quoted: Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Quoted: Quoted: This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg |
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I wouldn't use a Romanian built AKM as a representation of what they are capable of. That is for sure. Quoted:
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This is why I come to GD, I like to learn that the most common assault rifle on earth is a huge pile of shit that barely works, and will wear out after just a few hundred rounds downrange. Like these ones did? At least 3 out of 4 Romanian AKM's broke after a few hundred rounds through each gun, and were deadlined when we cleaned them the next day. I personally toe tagged them in the weapons maintenance room after noticing the damage to the gas tubes from the roll pins that walked. These are some of my personal photos from scanned pre-digital camera days of the 1990's at Fort Lewis, 1998. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0001_zps41671053.jpg http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/1-24INFScouts1998AKRNG_0006_zps60e33fdc.jpg Not a lot of difference between any of the other Eastern European, Middle Eastern, or Asian guns. The Maadi's suck, the Arsenal's suck, the AMD-65's suck, real AK's suck, Type 56's suck... The thing they all have in common is the Kalashnikov design. Things start coming apart, mags don't work across the fleet, cartridges seize in chambers, lots of failure to fires, FTExtract, FTFeed. It's basically a large, sheet metal submachinegun with a gas system chambered in an intermediate cartridge. As long as they last for a few mags in a revolution or campaign, they have met the design goals. Keep in mind that I subscribed to the AK reliability myth before I started shooting them in volume, then problems started to arise. |
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Quoted:Fun story. The QC on the Romanian guns dropped substantially towards the end of the 80's (Romanian Govt getting paranoid about the guns being turned on them. So workers were constantly being replaced. I'm sure they had a stellar reputation for craftsmanship and quality control during the bulk of the Soviet times. |
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It's sloppy because it that bolt carrier is guided by sheet metal rails that are spot welded on a stamped sheet metal box made by people who don't care about tolerances. If it were built right the piston would return from where it came and not wobble around and smack the side of the gas block. Quoted:
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1:43 piston can't reseat because the piece of shit is so sloppy. They're shooting the gun fucking stripped.....Actually, the piston flops around because the joint where it connects to the bolt carrier was designed with a few mm of play. Hope you never use the charging handle on an AR15... that thing's loose as shit! What a sloppy piece of crap gun built by cavemen! |