[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Illinois Assault weapons and mag ban (Page 25 of 30)
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Here's the full ruling: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11j33qn--8I7JrsCs2mI0SZTjsWZ8Pc5V/view It's a good read from a no-BS judge. PICA seems to be written in spite of the clear directives in Bruen and Heller, not in conformity with them. Whether well- intentioned, brilliant, or arrogant, no state may enact a law that denies its citizens rights that the Constitution guarantees them. Even legislation that may enjoy the support of a majority of its citizens must fail if it violates the constitutional rights of fellow citizens. For the reasons fully set out below, the overly broad reach of PICA commands that the injunctive relief requested by Plaintiffs be granted. ........... Plaintiffs claimed that the “assault weapon” ban enacted by PICA is unconstitutional as it contravenes the Second Amendment “right to keep and bear Arms.” (Doc. 10). For some constitutional violations, particularly involving First Amendment claims, irreparable harm is presumed. Christian Legal Society v. Walker, 453 F.3d 853, 867 (7th Cir. 2006). Although the Supreme Court has not recognized a presumption of irreparable harm in regard to Second Amendment violations, it has emphasized that the Second Amendment and the constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense is not “a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.” Bruen, 142 S. Ct. at 2156 (citing McDonald v. City of Chi., Ill., 561 U.S. 742, 780 (2010) (plurality opinion)). When a law is facially challenged under the Second Amendment, “the form of the claim and the substance of the Second Amendment right” create a “harm [that] is properly regarded as irreparable and having no adequate remedy at law.” Ezell, 651 F.3d at 699-700. Assuming arguendo that there is no presumption of harm for an alleged violation of the Second Amendment, Plaintiffs still satisfy this element. For example, Barnett and Norman are no longer able to purchase any firearm, attachment, device, magazine, or other item banned by PICA, while Hoods and Pro Gun are now prohibited from selling said any item banned by PICA. These harms are irreparable and in direct violation of the Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense. There is no question that the right to armed self-defense is limited by PICA, and in some cases, may be prohibited altogether. ........... This Court will first address Defendants’ contention that “non-essential accessories” are not within the scope of the Second Amendment’s plain text. PICA outlaws possession of a “semiautomatic pistol” with a detachable magazine if it is equipped with any of the following: “a threaded barrel,” “a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel,” “a flash suppressor,” or “arm brace.”7 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9. PICA further outlaws possession of a magazine for a handgun capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition and of “[a] semiautomatic pistol that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 15 rounds.” 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9-10. Defendants contend that such items are not necessary to the functioning of a firearm and are thus not “arms” and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment. (Doc. 37, p. 17). Defendants’ argument is not persuasive. The Seventh Circuit has recognized the Second Amendment as extending to “corollar[ies] to the meaningful exercise of the core right to possess firearms for self-defense.” See Wilson v. Cook County, 937 F.3d 1028, 1032 (7th Cir. 2019) (quoting Ezell, 651 F.3d at 708). It is hard to imagine something more closely correlated to the right to use a firearm in self-defense than the ability to effectively load ammunition into the firearm. The Third Circuit recognized the importance of this corollary and held that “a magazine is an arm under the Second Amendment.” See Ass’n of N.J. Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Inc. v. Att’y Gen. of New Jersey, 910 F.3d 106, 116 (3d Cir. 2018). Further, Defendants’ own expert defined “high-capacity firearms” as “hand-held arms with a capacity greater than ten rounds, recognizing that Illinois’s statute allows up to 15 rounds for handguns.” (Doc. 37-13, p. 2). Defendants’ expert is clearly referencing magazines and incorporating such into his definition of a “firearm[].” Id. This Court agrees that magazines are “arms” as used in the plain text of the Second Amendment. Plaintiffs are correct that “[t]his is not even a close call.” (Doc. 10, p. 16). If Defendants’ own expert incorporates magazine capacity into his definition of a firearm, given his level of expertise, it would be unreasonable to expect the original public meaning of the plain text to not reflect a similar understanding. ........... Therefore, because the “meaningful exercise” of the right to armed self-defense is wholly dependent on the ability of citizens to utilize their arms and hit their intended target, items that aid in accuracy may be considered “arms” and are presumptively protected by the Second Amendment. ........... There is no question that Plaintiffs are harmed by PICA and will continue to be harmed if this Court denies the motion for preliminary injunction. A constitutional right is at stake. Some Plaintiffs cannot purchase their firearm of choice, nor can they exercise their right to self-defense in the manner they choose. They are bound by the State’s limitations. Moreover, other Plaintiffs cannot sell their inventory, even to residents of other states that do not ban the “arms” identified in PICA. To the contrary, there can be “no harm to a [government agency] when it is prevented from enforcing an unconstitutional statute.” ......... Handguns, many of which are limited under PICA, are “the most preferred firearm in the nation to ‘keep’ and use for protection of one’s home and family.” McDonald, 561 U.S. at 767 (quoting Heller, 554 U.S. at 629). It is also uncontroverted that many of the banned modifiers, including but not limited to pistol grips, protruding grips, flash suppressors, and shrouds, have legitimate purposes that assist law-abiding citizens in their ability to defend themselves. The other side is less clear – there is no evidence as to how PICA will actually help Illinois Communities. |
![]() Supreme Court 2A Decision Brings An End To "Assault Weapon" And Magazine Ban!!! |
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What is nuts is the wording on braces. So does this mean that braces on pistols are LEGAL in Illinois, even if the Feds are trying to make a brace on a pistol illegal? (Sort of like how weed is legal at a state level, but legal at a federal level). Holy crap, Illinois leading the charge on keeping our braces?!?!? |
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Quoted: What is nuts is the wording on braces. So does this mean that braces on pistols are LEGAL in Illinois, even if the Feds are trying to make a brace on a pistol illegal? (Sort of like how weed is legal at a state level, but legal at a federal level). This is a Federal judge in a Federal civil rights case, so he's certainly putting a shot across the bow of the ATF's impending rule. The gun controllers may have really screwed themselves with the brace thing. To defend the rule they're going to have to defend the NFA as reasonable regulation of a Constitutionally-protected right, or else that nothing that's NFA is Constitutionally protected. The first puts the entire system at risk, the second will be death by a thousand cuts as they'll have to defend each kind of item being outside of Constitutional protection. |
![]() Huge Trifecta Out of Illinois and What It Means for Us Moving Foward |
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In the context of SCOTUS and the Bruen decision, this article puts in clearer terms what I said after the decision. Between NY and other states imposing new carry restrictions to the numerous states enacting new AW bans, I had said they were trying to overwhelm the courts. This puts it in more stark terms which is probably correct: https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/04/a-full-blown-color-revolution-style-attack-on-the-us-supreme-court-as-an-institution-is-now-in-its-early-stages/ A color revolution then, is a form of manipulated mass civil disobediance meant to accomplish regime change The "civil disobedients" are state governments and their leftwing politicians as well as bureaucrats directing government institutions, not just individuals or private organizations. |
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Quoted: In the context of SCOTUS and the Bruen decision, this article puts in clearer terms what I said after the decision. Between NY and other states imposing new carry restrictions to the numerous states enacting new AW bans, I had said they were trying to overwhelm the courts. This puts it in more stark terms which is probably correct: https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/04/a-full-blown-color-revolution-style-attack-on-the-us-supreme-court-as-an-institution-is-now-in-its-early-stages/ The "civil disobedients" are state governments and their leftwing politicians as well as bureaucrats directing government institutions, not just individuals or private organizations. US Supreme court needs to put a ruling that all new gun laws be heard before a Federal court and appeals, before they can go into effect. Kind of like how they did Civil Rights after Dems kept trying to circumvent the Civil Rights Act. |
![]() 4/30 Update State Seeks Stay of Injunction |
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Quoted: This is a Federal judge in a Federal civil rights case, so he's certainly putting a shot across the bow of the ATF's impending rule. The gun controllers may have really screwed themselves with the brace thing. To defend the rule they're going to have to defend the NFA as reasonable regulation of a Constitutionally-protected right, or else that nothing that's NFA is Constitutionally protected. The first puts the entire system at risk, the second will be death by a thousand cuts as they'll have to defend each kind of item being outside of Constitutional protection. I think this is going to be where the 2A wins stop. "No, they can't ban your AR." "Yes, they can require a license and training repeated every year and restrict your possession to home and the range. As NY and the other most evil states are pioneering with ccw. As the brace rule may stand on 'regulation'. |
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Challenging Cook counties AWB now too. Viramontes v. Cook County |
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Good I'm so fucking sick of that ban. My town is pre-empted from it but I still always got screwed over with online restrictions lmao. Also there are some cities outside Cook that share a zip code that get screwed over. I did find some really cool stores though. "RSR Group (Big warehouse for a lot of drop shippers) won't ship it to you. but if you don't mind waiting we will: -Have it shipped to us -We will ship it out to you at no charge": |
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Quoted: Is there a date when the Illinois AG will file another challenge to the current injunction? (How long does Illinois gun owners have to buy stuff?) The stay is already filed. The judge has allowed until the 8th for objection/comment, so it sounds like a decision won't be issued until then. If that's the case, chances of people taking possession of their purchases are pretty good. If you don't take possession prior to the stay, you'll be out of luck. Shops are cleaned out. |
![]() Supreme Court Decision To Immediately Stop "Assault Weapon" & Magazine Bans!!! |
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This guy seemed good early on, but now all I see is clickbait titles and him taking 10 minutes to say 30 seconds worth of information. |
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The state is seeking to jump around Judge St. Stephen and his injunction filing a 54 page appeal to the 7th COA. . .as Justice Barret gives Naperville till May 8th to respond to the request for an injunction. ![]() 5/3 Update on Illinois Gun Ban https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7gP15SXV4c Hopefully the state gets its pee pee smacked hard. lol Dont know why the video is not linking. |
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Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. |
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Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Yeah, I thought he was OK until he started using the clickbait titles. Now I just avoid him. |
![]() 5/3 Update on Illinois Gun Ban |
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Quoted: Yeah, I thought he was OK until he started using the clickbait titles. Now I just avoid him. Quoted: Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Yeah, I thought he was OK until he started using the clickbait titles. Now I just avoid him. |
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Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Yup, I used to watch him. Not anymore. Too much clickbait with the titles, and too many unnecessary upper inflections at the end of his sentences (especially when he says Bruen). |
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Quoted: I avoid his videos like the plague now. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea he is annoying as fuck and his titles are usually bullshit. Yeah, I thought he was OK until he started using the clickbait titles. Now I just avoid him. Breaking! Assault Weapon Ban Ends in California! ...talks about how potentially the ban might be brought down if a ruling hypothetically goes one way, 6-12 months down the road. |
![]() 5/4 update7th Circuit issues Stay of Injunction |
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Quoted: Saw this posted on another forum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213571/Attach105519_20230504_173215-2805796.jpg |
![]() Federal appeals court reverses injunction on Illinois’ gun and magazine ban |
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Serious question. Do you get all your gun rights news from YouTube? Where do you think the guys making the videos get their information? |







