Posted: 7/12/2025 5:55:18 AM EDT
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What would you like to see adopted to replace them? (LE and .gov sidearms) |
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The beretta PIP was the easy button solution but obviously didn’t waste enough taxpayer money. If we had any brains at all they’d re up that contract /program. Otherwise Glock. Again, any brains at all and the Glock COA. It would take the Army to actually take pistol training seriously and so of course that won’t happen either. What will happen is some ham handed half measure fix where every M17/M18 goes back to the factory over an 8 year period to get butchered and fucked with until the trigger is so poor and the safety is so robust we have the opposite problem of the damn thing not working when you DO pull the trigger. |
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Quoted: The beretta PIP was the easy button solution but obviously didn’t waste enough taxpayer money. If we had any brains at all they’d re up that contract /program. Otherwise Glock. Again, any brains at all and the Glock COA. It would take the Army to actually take pistol training seriously and so of course that won’t happen either. What will happen is some ham handed half measure fix where every M17/M18 goes back to the factory over an 8 year period to get butchered and fucked with until the trigger is so poor and the safety is so robust we have the opposite problem of the damn thing not working when you DO pull the trigger. This. Just buy the PIP'd Berettas, and license Langdon Tactical's optics mounting system for the contract too. |
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How many people in the military have a use for swapping the fire control group around? Some small number of police or commando types might occasionally be in plainclothes? Do they really need something smaller than a Glock 19? If so how many smaller Glock 26 would they really need to buy? The swappable trigger control group looked cool, I bought an early 320, but was it necessary? |
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2011 built on the looser side to run better when dirty. Not that my staccato was running perfectly at over 1k with out cleaning, but just to give it a little more room for functioning when dirty. But lets be honest, probably wont be a Glock the mil wants a safety. It will probably be the newer Beretta with the frame mounted safety, lots of old holsters around that can be used, mags as well. |
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Objectively speaking as a taxpayer, a Glock pistol. Its one of those rare items that can meet all three components of the Iron Triangle. Its good, its relatively cheap, and you can get them fast. Easy for end users to use and maintain, and easy to repair at the armorer level. |
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Glock And get rid of those shitty Sig rifles top. From the moment I learned the Army adopted the M17/18 platform, I suspected Sig “greased some palms” to get the contract. After the Army adopted the shitty rifle and retarded ammo, I became convinced people had been bribed with money, gifts, or promises of jobs. Regardless, Sig is shameless, and I hope they go broke. |
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That one is .40 S&W, I had no idea they made one. |
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Quoted: That one is .40 S&W, I had no idea they made one. Quoted: That one is .40 S&W, I had no idea they made one. Did Glock ever sell a model with a thumb safety? |
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Quoted: Did Glock ever sell a model with a thumb safety? Quoted: Quoted: That one is .40 S&W, I had no idea they made one. Did Glock ever sell a model with a thumb safety? I think there were a few contract runs that were made, but I'm not 100% on that. |
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Quoted: 2011 built on the looser side to run better when dirty. Not that my staccato was running perfectly at over 1k with out cleaning, but just to give it a little more room for functioning when dirty. But lets be honest, probably wont be a Glock the mil wants a safety. It will probably be the newer Beretta with the frame mounted safety, lots of old holsters around that can be used, mags as well. Glock offers a safety(or maybe it's aftermarket). It's an add on, but ther's no reason it can't be added at the factory to get a contract like that |
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Quoted: Did Glock ever sell a model with a thumb safety? commercially no i don’t think so, just developed the one for that contract bid. As far as SiG greasing palms, I believe it but as far as the stupid rifle and cartridge, I blame the army in their fantasy desires. They literally asked for this. I don’t think they were reasonable in their attempt to be forward thinking. It’s an overweight expensive pig. |
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Glock is like the Hyundai Accent of the gun world. Cheap, ugly, reliable, unrefined, middling and uninspired. If they make a manual safety version for the military and it gets accepted, I guess from the perspective of American soldiers having solid, reliable guns that's a win. I'd go with the Beretta though. |
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Quoted: Objectively speaking as a taxpayer, a Glock pistol. Its one of those rare items that can meet all three components of the Iron Triangle. Its good, its relatively cheap, and you can get them fast. Easy for end users to use and maintain, and easy to repair at the armorer level. This. And pistols mean fuck-all in the grand scheme of combat, just get Glock 17 and 19s or just 19s and be done with it. |
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Quoted: Yep they'll never buy anything without a frame safety lever on it. Quoted: Quoted: Since the door has been opened to striker fired pistols being -bad-, and no frame safety on glocks, probably the m9a4 or another da/sa pistol of some sort. Yep they'll never buy anything without a frame safety lever on it. Which is epically retarded because from the sound of it, they hardly use the damn thing anyway.  ETA: Glock and be done with it. |
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Glock 19. Quoted: Except for the thousands of people who have fired their Glock when they were just cleaning their gun.  Quoted: Quoted: Glock. They're producing a quality product now and can meet the simple standard of "Don't blow off your user's balls" Except for the thousands of people who have fired their Glock when they were just cleaning their gun. If you pull the trigger on a loaded pistol that’s 100% on you. |
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Quoted: What would you like to see adopted to replace them? (LE and .gov sidearms) Its easy to overthink pistols, since thats about all we carry with any regularity as civs But for the mil they honestly arent that important so long as they go bang when they need to go bang (and dont go bang when dropped) A mil handgun is more likely to kill a clearing barrel than a bad guy Its a secondary weapon that lets officers go to chow without slinging a rifle, gives machine gunners a back up and MPs something to put on their hip while they check IDs at the gate or babysit drunks The high speed units get to pick what they want anyway Something reliable with a safety in 9mm makes sense, so no reason to stick to the m9 or something similar For cops there are plenty of agencies with Glocks or M&Ps, nothing wrong with that |
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M9A4 with a licensed Langdon optic mount modified to allow for safety+decocker as well as decocker only would be the one I'd go with. But the Glock with manual safety (which is an option on mil contract guns, as pictured earlier) is a passable option. Require them to have a takedown that doesn't require using the trigger, perhaps using a safe decocker or similar mechanism to release tension on the striker without firing a chambered round. |
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Quoted: I think Glock recently sold a thumb safety model to German cops. It also doesn't require the trigger to be pulled for disassembly. I think Glock also sold a different thumb safety model to the Israelis. The g46, but idk i don't think it comes with a safety |
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Quoted: I honestly don't give a fuck what government agencies issue to their people. You would hope they would make the best choice, but seeing as how there's so much chance for corruption, it's what company offers the best gifts. I do, because I'm paying for it. |