[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Hk MP5 Transferable at AIM (Page 2 of 3)
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Quoted: my guess is FRTs wont be a thing for long once the dems get enough control to legislate. that means the pool of real transferable MGs will still be a static thing and there value will only go up. we live in the golden age of ersatz MGs I expect more state level bans |
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Quoted: There are also pre 86 / pre may dealer samples that can only be sold to SOTs however you can keep them after you retire your license (unlike post samples) and you don't need a demo letter to purchase one. Quoted: Quoted: Dealer samples are post-ban samples and cannot be transferred to a private owner. Only FFLs with the proper SOT can have post samples. |
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its a Faux suppressor and would need re-barred to a ported one, but this is the way |
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Quoted: AS designs announced today their drop in FRT pack is in full production and available in August. Works in all HK types except Cetme. Awesome, can't wait to put one in my AP5-P! I've got the Navy lower and really hated the idea of swapping to a different lower for the other FRTs. While I'm waiting I'll get to play with my Vector and PS90 FRTs. |
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Quoted: How does this work? Was it made in germany at HK? Swear I read something about dealer post samples that recently became transferable. ATF ruling change or something. Is this one of those? If it's a HK 94 conversion it was made in Germany, converted in the US. If it's a pre86 dealer sample or a post sample, it's a factory machine gun made at HK in Germany. |
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Quoted: But don't you need a FFL to purchase one? They aren't transferables. With the exception of a batch of pre 86 samples that were reclassified transferable, you are correct. Pre86 dealer samples still require a FFL with a SOT but unlike post samples, you can keep them if you retire your license and they are about half the cost of a transferable. |
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At that price its almost assured to be a Heckler & Koch HK94 semi-auto conversion. All of the former "Pre-May" dealer sample factory German HK MP5's that "flipped" to civilian transferable last year all get snatched up pretty quickly at prices between $55k an $65K today. If this was a former Pre-May dealer sample MP5 that flipped to transferable, it would have sold at $45K within hours of being posted for sale. As for rarity as to how many former Pre-May MP5s flipped, its a pretty decent number. The reported total number of Pre-May guns that flipped transferable was ~4000 machineguns and MP5 were probably one of the most common Pre-May guns out there so there are probably at least a hundred or more of them out there. The first ones that sold went for huge money ($80K+) at auction but they seem to have settled in at $50K to $60K for a standard MP5 at this time. The fact that its been for sale for at least a couple days at $45K means its an HK94 registered receiver conversion gun. My guess since its $45K, its wearing a four position "burst" lower, it has a paddle mag installed, is that its most likely a push pin conversion gun which means the receiver is the registered component, it was brought up to MP5 spec with the semi-auto denial shelf removed and the pushpin front bushing installed. If it was a registered receiver gun with an intact semi-shelf with some wonky HTA, Group, or Ciener one-piece married sear lower arrangement it most likely would still have the original SEF lower or maybe a 0-1-A "Navy" lower where the married one piece conversion sear was moved and many of those shelf guns never had the paddle installed. Although its possible its a old style Fleming style married bar-stock machinegun conversion sear that was legit moved to a modified four position burst pack and mag paddle release was installed. Without more pictures its difficult to 100% tell. That said, pricing would be pretty high for an HK94 registered receiver with an intact semi-shelf and a married sear/lower as they seem to sell in the mid $30K range today. Registered receiver push pin conversion guns are roughly 40K today as they took a hit with all of the factory MP5 pre-may guns that flipped and have trailed registered conversion sear prices over the past decade+ and which still seem to sell around $45K today. All of which probably explains why a $45K HK94 registered receiver gun....push pin conversion....or not.... has not quickly sold as its either way overpriced for a registered receiver semi-shelf intact gun and its still overpriced for a push pin HK94 conversion gun (especially when you figure in sales tax from AIM) |
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Pretty cheap compared to whats shown on MachineGunPrice Guide Attached File |
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Quoted: At that price its almost assured to be a Heckler & Koch HK94 semi-auto conversion. All of the former "Pre-May" dealer sample factory German HK MP5's that "flipped" to civilian transferable last year all get snatched up pretty quickly at prices between $55k an $65K today. If this was a former Pre-May dealer sample MP5 that flipped to transferable, it would have sold at $45K within hours of being posted for sale. As for rarity as to how many former Pre-May MP5s flipped, its a pretty decent number. The reported total number of Pre-May guns that flipped transferable was ~4000 machineguns and MP5 were probably one of the most common Pre-May guns out there so there are probably at least a hundred or more of them out there. The first ones that sold went for huge money ($80K+) at auction but they seem to have settled in at $50K to $60K for a standard MP5 at this time. The fact that its been for sale for at least a couple days at $45K means its an HK94 registered receiver conversion gun. My guess since its $45K, its wearing a four position "burst" lower, it has a paddle mag installed, is that its most likely a push pin conversion gun which means the receiver is the registered component, it was brought up to MP5 spec with the semi-auto denial shelf removed and the pushpin front bushing installed. If it was a registered receiver gun with an intact semi-shelf with some wonky HTA, Group, or Ciener one-piece married sear lower arrangement it most likely would still have the original SEF lower or maybe a 0-1-A "Navy" lower where the married one piece conversion sear was moved and many of those shelf guns never had the paddle installed. Although its possible its a old style Fleming style married bar-stock machinegun conversion sear that was legit moved to a modified four position burst pack and mag paddle release was installed. Without more pictures its difficult to 100% tell. That said, pricing would be pretty high for an HK94 registered receiver with an intact semi-shelf and a married sear/lower as they seem to sell in the mid $30K range today. Registered receiver push pin conversion guns are roughly 40K today as they took a hit with all of the factory MP5 pre-may guns that flipped and have trailed registered conversion sear prices over the past decade+ and which still seem to sell around $45K today. All of which probably explains why a $45K HK94 registered receiver gun....push pin conversion....or not.... has not quickly sold as its either way overpriced for a registered receiver semi-shelf intact gun and its still overpriced for a push pin HK94 conversion gun (especially when you figure in sales tax from AIM) Round count and condition will also factor heavily. People who had minty, original finish premays that flipped are still getting prices in the $75k range. |
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Quoted: Round count and condition will also factor heavily. People who had minty, original finish premays that flipped are still getting prices in the $75k range. Agreed, the cream of the crop outliers will still command a premium price. Most of these are ex-PD guns (was a requirement for them to flip) and as a result have decent round count and wear on them so don't seem to fetch over $70K anymore like the initial guns that came for sale did. The factory MP5SDs will still command close to or over $100K seemingly regardless of condition. |
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Quoted: Pretty cheap compared to whats shown on MachineGunPrice Guide https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5/2026-07-01_18-39-43_jpg-3788255.JPG That's a blended average including registered conversion sear guns and legit pre-may factory flipped guns which drive the average price higher than what this gun most likely is. You probably want to looks at the MP5 comparison chart that breaks out the different types of transferable MP5s. Also keep in mind that a lot of the pricing on machinegunpriceguide is fed in from high end dealers like Ruben or Vito which is at a decent premium to standard market sales values as well. |
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Quoted: Ummm no. Pre86 dealer samples have no such markings. The Form 3 will be stamped "Sales Sample Only." A true factory MP5 with be a C prefix serial number. Quoted: Quoted: I wish they had better pictures. I have fired a dealer sample MP5K that belonged to a friend of mine, and it was stamped as a dealer sample. Ummm no. Pre86 dealer samples have no such markings. The Form 3 will be stamped "Sales Sample Only." A true factory MP5 with be a C prefix serial number. OK Internet expert. I didn't say it was a pre-May sample. It was a post-sample, and my friend was an SOT. |
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it does, I have one and it's a lot of fun |
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Quoted: That is not correct. What you are probably thinking is if they left the shelf setup, you aren't allowed to drill it out for a swing down pack. But if they set it up for a swing down pack, you can use any pack you want because the receiver rather than the sear is the machine gun. I have a pre-may MP5SD that I bought 11 years ago when I gave up my SOT and was hoping it would be deemed transferable, but so far no joy. And honestly I don't care, I paid $18K for it and I'm happy, which is all that matters to me at this point in my life. |
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Quoted: Not completely true, a few years back the atf added 4000 or so machine guns that were dealer samples before 86 to the transferable registry, so there are transferable dealer samples out there. Forgotten weapons did a video on it Well, color me educated! |
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Quoted: OK Internet expert. I didn't say it was a pre-May sample. It was a post-sample, and my friend was an SOT. Ok, just a lingo problem. Generally when SOTs talk of machine guns "dealer samples" are "pre86/pre may" and everything else is a "post sample." Here is my pre 86 dealer sample, I am a SOT. 
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Quoted: Man. That's pants on head retarded. I remember when a DIAS or LL could be had for $100 out of Shotgun News... I remember DIAS being sold in Shotgun News well into the 2010s. Guy eventually got busted. Everyone thought it was a atf honey trap but guy was legit selling them. 
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Agreed. I’d rather have this with a Super Safety of some variety. |
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Quoted: I had three mp5s that were all pre may. I could have kept them but sold them off before I gave up the FFL. I'm glad they are gone. They were fun to shoot but frt can replicate FA fire. Believe it or not, it gets old shooting FA. Been shooting FA since about 1977, bought my first in 1995, haven't reached that point yet. Also will sound sort of stupid, but wanted a MP5 for so long, simply owning one brings contentment. |
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Quoted: Been shooting FA since about 1977, bought my first in 1995, haven't reached that point yet. Also will sound sort of stupid, but wanted a MP5 for so long, simply owning one brings contentment. Quoted: Quoted: I had three mp5s that were all pre may. I could have kept them but sold them off before I gave up the FFL. I'm glad they are gone. They were fun to shoot but frt can replicate FA fire. Believe it or not, it gets old shooting FA. Been shooting FA since about 1977, bought my first in 1995, haven't reached that point yet. Also will sound sort of stupid, but wanted a MP5 for so long, simply owning one brings contentment. I “think” fake-auto vs a full-auto will become something akin to a real Stradivarius vs very functional counterparts. Having the real-deal is as important to a purist as is the functionality even when a counterpart may be just as functional (and absolutely nothing wrong with that). |
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Quoted: I have a friend that bought a FA Navy lower MP5 in 1996 for $2,500. I remember thinking how much money that was to spend on a gun, even if it was FA. My Colt 614 cost me $2,500 in 1994. I told a friend to buy himself one too, but he was a poor grad student at the time and had to pass on it. |
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Quoted: its a double push pin, the owner had it since the late 80s, or early 90s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1638_2-3788674.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1639-3788675.jpg Giggity goo....  Reading GD can get expensive. Letting it get $45k-impulse-buy expensive is a bit much. I'll see my way out  
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Quoted: its a double push pin, the owner had it since the late 80s, or early 90s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1638_2-3788674.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1639-3788675.jpg Nice. HK94 conversion done to factory specs and restamped MP5. So you can install any trigger group you wanted. |
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Quoted: its a double push pin, the owner had it since the late 80s, or early 90s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1638_2-3788674.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26941/IMG_1639-3788675.jpg Very nice. Do you know who did the conversion? It will be on the owners Form 4 as the manufacturer. |