[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gun Jesus on the P320 Debacle (Page 2 of 3)
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Why is Focustripp even front and center. His videos suck, both content and production. I swear this guy is paying for engagement or playing the algorithm hard to constantly be front and center. To waste the effort on a response video here is just dumb. The dude needs to go away, he is a giant drama baby. |
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Quoted: Why is Focustripp even front and center. His videos suck, both content and production. I swear this guy is paying for engagement or playing the algorithm hard to constantly be front and center. To waste the effort on a response video here is just dumb. The dude needs to go away, he is a giant drama baby. That guy loves to shit on other YouTubers. It's pretty entertaining at times. |
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Quoted: Who doesn't know what the extractor on a P38 looks like... Who claimed a transferrable WW1 French St Etienne MG with battle damage that he pimped for Rock Island auction was irreparable and a wall hanger. Buddy has it running a few days after it was bought for a really low price...lol Or thinks the garand was designed for M2 ball. No he someone who reads Wikipedia then does a video about a gun and has become famous for doing that. Quoted: Quoted: who is a firearms expert. Who claimed a transferrable WW1 French St Etienne MG with battle damage that he pimped for Rock Island auction was irreparable and a wall hanger. Buddy has it running a few days after it was bought for a really low price...lol Or thinks the garand was designed for M2 ball. No he someone who reads Wikipedia then does a video about a gun and has become famous for doing that. I’ll give him this, he makes a ton of content, most of it is not with technical error. With years of videos, he’s got a pretty good record. I like the dude. I don’t watch his stuff very often but this 320 video seemed like a good one. |
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Quoted: I’ll give him this, he makes a ton of content, most of it is not with technical error. With years of videos, he’s got a pretty good record. I like the dude. I don’t watch his stuff very often but this 320 video seemed like a good one. That's a pretty good endorsement. |
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Quoted: I like Ian, but as he says he has no evidence. "Tolerance stacking" is commonly misused by non-designers and non-engineers. I don't mean if you aren't a designer or engineer you can't understand tolerances I'd gladly discuss them with you. Just be wary of YouTube commentaries. There are a lot of scenarios: 1) The designs have the appropriate tolerances and parts meet the print. Obviously statistics come into play and how much are you willing to pay for reduction of unfavorable conditions. Even 6 sigma allows for failures of parts and if you can't accept failures you either play the chance game, have redundant systems, or test 100%. 2) The designs have appropriate tolerances but the parts don't meet the print. Redundant safties may mitigage or eliminate the risk of a system failure. 3) The designs have the wrong tolerances. Also, talking about Sig as an entity... they may or may not have full understanding of the situation. Some people may have full knowledge but people at the top don't or ignore it. We need to be careful in personifying a corporation as a single entity. Ian's video does not discuss this nor does he have any evidence the design is sound, tolerances are valid, parts do or don't meet the print, or does the system have ways to mitigate part failure. Also fuck SigUSA. In the context of firearms, I would rate UD as a catastrophic level failure & not rely solely on mfging tolerance, given statistical variances, to mitigate its occurrence. It's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out. It's certainly not just going to quietly go away all on its own. |
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Quoted: Why is Focustripp even front and center. His videos suck, both content and production. I swear this guy is paying for engagement or playing the algorithm hard to constantly be front and center. To waste the effort on a response video here is just dumb. The dude needs to go away, he is a giant drama baby. Completely agree. Pathetic. |
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Quoted: In the context of firearms, I would rate UD as a catastrophic level failure & not rely solely on mfging tolerance, given statistical variances, to mitigate its occurrence. It's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out. It's certainly not just going to quietly go away all on its own. Speaking of statistics, the p320 reported UD statistics is below .001%. |
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Quoted: The number one SIG subject matter expert, by his own description, Bruce Gray had this to say about the initial drop issues in 2017: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/Screenshot_20250322-113132-931_png-3540742.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/Screenshot_20250322-113146-526_png-3540744.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/Screenshot_20250322-113159-284_png-3540745.JPG It amazes me that given Cohen's reputation, SIG's failure and outright denial of the 2017 drop issue until the OO video, and the sheer weight of current events, that some people are still 'prove it to me/it's a conspiracy by haters'. The amount of SIG love on this site four years ago up until earlier this year was non stop 24/7. SIG is the best in the world love bullshit. That self promotion bullshit prompted me to start speaking out three years ago. The amount of hate I have gotten is unbelievable. People just ignored the problem and shouted down anyone who came along that said otherwise. It still happens but not as much. The P320 is a nightmare and the P365 is a QC nightmare. They need to focus on one gun and get it worked out. Then move to the next. I have a feeling a grip safety is in the P320s future. Everything is self promotion. Look at Bruce Grays statement. Yesterdays SIG release was another example. It's all the same. Look at me, we know more then you and everyone else. SIG is great for selling the next Shiney item. Unfortunately those shiny items kill people. |
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Trench grenade also took a jab at GunJesus. ?? YouTubers looking for clicks and views. |
| Is the M17/18 known to have a different striker housing than a standard 320? I’ve got only a M17 and a X-Carry left as far as 320s go and the M17s housing is slightly different with the cut out behind the spring being slightly larger moving the spring just a bit forward compared to the other assembly from the X-Carry. They are interchangeable and function in each upper but the M17 is a few years newer so I’m wondering if they did an unannounced redesign. |
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Quoted: You mean SIGs report. Sucks to be that .001% doesn't it? It’s easily verifiable. Count up all the reported UDs and amount of p320 variants out in circulation and get the percentage. It’s not hard and you can see how it matches compared to Sigs report. Yeah, it’s sucks to be the .001%. Maybe SigDick will be a thing if we get enough UDs with aiwb holsters and then Sig can take the Glock Leg glory away from Glock. |
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Quoted: Is the M17/18 known to have a different striker housing than a standard 320? I’ve got only a M17 and a X-Carry left as far as 320s go and the M17s housing is slightly different with the cut out behind the spring being slightly larger moving the spring just a bit forward compared to the other assembly from the X-Carry. They are interchangeable and function in each upper but the M17 is a few years newer so I’m wondering if they did an unannounced redesign. Complicated and unknown. early gen weren't drop safe, is yours? some of the military ones it is thought will have better QC. yet there are reports of M17 holster discharging while still on safe. Is yours safe today? Tomorrow with wear and fouling? I don't know. Right now, if it's any P320 /M17 of any form or version, it is assumed to have this potential. At a failure rate of about 0.01%, which is too say one in 1 in 10,000. Is yours one? Will it be one tomorrow as your sear related spring ages and the sear face continues to age? |
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Quoted: Complicated and unknown. early gen weren't drop safe, is yours? some of the military ones it is thought will have better QC. yet there are reports of M17 holster discharging while still on safe. Is yours safe today? Tomorrow with wear and fouling? I don't know. I don’t either. That’s why I’m parting ways with them. There’s plenty of awesome options out there where I don’t have to have that gnawing at me every time I carry it. |
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Quoted: I don’t either. That’s why I’m parting ways with them. There’s plenty of awesome options out there where I don’t have to have that gnawing at me every time I carry it. Quoted: Quoted: Complicated and unknown. early gen weren't drop safe, is yours? some of the military ones it is thought will have better QC. yet there are reports of M17 holster discharging while still on safe. Is yours safe today? Tomorrow with wear and fouling? I don't know. I don’t either. That’s why I’m parting ways with them. There’s plenty of awesome options out there where I don’t have to have that gnawing at me every time I carry it. I am hearing a lot of owners say similar. Or that they are sticking them in the safe and waiting to see how it plays out. At this point that makes sense. With things leaning towards there being an issue, why not go with one of the other many great options out there rather than risk it. |
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Quoted: Who doesn't know what the extractor on a P38 looks like... Who claimed a transferrable WW1 French St Etienne MG with battle damage that he pimped for Rock Island auction was irreparable and a wall hanger. Buddy has it running a few days after it was bought for a really low price...lol Or thinks the garand was designed for M2 ball. No he someone who reads Wikipedia then does a video about a gun and has become famous for doing that. |
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Quoted: I would say its an honorable goal, but holy shit there's just so much of it. Quoted: Quoted: At this point it's all I can do to add new GD threads and YouTube channels to the Tech index.  I would say its an honorable goal, but holy shit there's just so much of it. I got tired of IMing FlashMan on what page was his master post in the main GD thread. |
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The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. |
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Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, but every gun part that ive broken outside of normal wear and tear has been MIM, or investment cast. |
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Quoted: So, yet more "maybe this, maybe that" but completely unable to prove anything? But at least he got to cash in on the Sig hate brigade and make some good money with a video not saying anything. Gee, I wonder who is right? |
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Quoted: I don't automatically hate MIM, . Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. |
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Quoted: I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. |
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Quoted: I hope you don't own any glocks. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. nope. some people can make it work, but I still hate it. |
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Quoted: nope. some people can make it work, but I still hate it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. nope. some people can make it work, but I still hate it. My HK's have mim parts. I don't lose sleep about it. Each their own I guess. |
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Quoted: I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. |
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Quoted: I hope you don't own any glocks. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. Or a modern vehicle. To be fair though, Glock is pretty tame with the use of MIM compared to everyone else, only like 3 parts are MIM. (4 if you count the MOS plate.) |
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I don't think Ian is correct about the Glock striker not being tensioned sufficiently under partial cock to ignite a primer should it be released for some reason. It's my understanding that the Glock striker "at rest" is tensioned approximately 60% with the final 40% being taken up under trigger pull. There was a thread about a Glock going off all by itself here on the arfcom GD forum a number of years ago. The situation was a Glock with an aftermarket trigger installed by user who then stored his pistol in the glove box of his car. Apparently, on one hot afternoon, after the car had been sitting in the sun, the pistol discharged in the glove box all by itself. Supposedly, the tolerances created by the aftermarket trigger were such that the crucifix released its hold on the sear and the pistol discharged. The hole in the side of the glove box was such that the gun could really not have been handled at the time. I don't clearly remember what the final verdict was, but as I recall, it was accepted that the pistol actually did fire all by itself. |
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Quoted: My HK's have mim parts. I don't lose sleep about it. Each their own I guess. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. nope. some people can make it work, but I still hate it. My HK's have mim parts. I don't lose sleep about it. Each their own I guess. Mine don't 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is there's really no part designed as a stamped sheet metal part you could MIM for less, regardless of where you're doing the work. MIM isn't a cheaper or faster process then stamping. MIM has become as much a fixation as polymer was when that started getting used in firearms. It's modern Fuddism. I don't automatically hate MIM, . I do MIM is for non critical non stress componenets. Metallic components on a firearm are critical and stressed. About the only part on a gun that MIM is acceptable is the metal logo insert in your faux-pearl pistol grip panel. I hope you don't own any glocks. nope. some people can make it work, but I still hate it. My HK's have mim parts. I don't lose sleep about it. Each their own I guess. Mine don't https://i.postimg.cc/RhSkg9Qx/20250426_132707.jpg Thanks but I'll stick with my trash MIM USPs and P30s. |
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Quoted: I don't think Ian is correct about the Glock striker not being tensioned sufficiently under partial cock to ignite a primer should it be released for some reason. It's my understanding that the Glock striker "at rest" is tensioned approximately 60% with the final 40% being taken up under trigger pull. There was a thread about a Glock going off all by itself here on the arfcom GD forum a number of years ago. The situation was a Glock with an aftermarket trigger installed by user who then stored his pistol in the glove box of his car. Apparently, on one hot afternoon, after the car had been sitting in the sun, the pistol discharged in the glove box all by itself. Supposedly, the tolerances created by the aftermarket trigger were such that the crucifix released its hold on the sear and the pistol discharged. The hole in the side of the glove box was such that the gun could really not have been handled at the time. I don't clearly remember what the final verdict was, but as I recall, it was accepted that the pistol actually did fire all by itself. |