[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FRT-15L3 - these things are awesome (Page 2 of 30)
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can confirm these things fuck! ran a 14.5 bcm and an 11.5 BCM H2 buffer, 60 rounds through each upper, 30 suppressed with sandman S and 30 unsuppressed. first mag suppressed with the 14.5 failed to lock back, could be a mag issue im not sure no other issues besides that. i didnt try groups just shooting range trash to test function. this would really excel in a 20" HBAR prone on a bipod. The recoil was more than i expected with the 11.5 it was wanting to climb. the 14.5 has a lantac dragon MB and unsuppressed was pretty flat and i was able to keep the burst close to point of aim. my brain couldnt comprehend what was happening, outside of pogue army ranges i have never shot full auto and they were belt fed from the prone. the rate of fire is insane, I tried to dump the whole mag on the last one and was only able to get a few long burst. Not sure if its the setup, or my technique. i need to figure out a .22 lr option because this is going to get expensive quick. |
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Quoted: I'm aware re: tgr burden of proof. What raised eyebrows and brought direct questioning from several judges was why ATF pursued this as a civil fraud case and not a criminal one if the company allegedly sold tens of thousands of illegal machine guns. The judges during oral arguments directly told ATFs lawyers this looks like ATF is pulling shenanigans because they don't have a solid case re: FRTs being illegal in the first place. Yeah, I absolutely agree that was my assessment whenever I first heard about what they were doing. I never heard any follow up after the fact so I’m glad to hear it was pointed out by the judges. |
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Quoted: I've had a lot of fun with FRT's. Hopefully I'll get this one to the range in the next week or two. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20250206_201508_jpg-3458873.JPG Did you order yours from Deltateamtactical.com? @jaqufrost What suppressor is that. How do you like it? What length is it? Setup Looks badass! ETA: Barrel Length? How are the groups with it? |
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Quoted: I have an FFL as a manufacturer and am going to be offering factory equipped ARs with FRTs shortly. They are 100% legal. In fact, the court prohibited ATF from even suggesting they aren't legal to people. |
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Quoted: @jaqufrost What suppressor is that. How do you like it? What length is it? Setup Looks badass! ETA: Barrel Length? How are the groups with it? I put the upper together to mirror my Colt 6933 EPR SBR. It's an 11.5" barrel with a Centurion rail. I normally keep it on my M16 but put it on my new Quattro quadstack lower with the FRT to see how it feels. I've never grouped the barrel as I bought it to run auto from the start. IIRC it's a right to bare barrel. I used it in this video testing the rare breed FRT against my M16 lower.  Semi Auto VS Rare Breed FRT-15 VS Full Auto M16 |
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Quoted: Nobody wants to ship them to Iowa. Quoted: Quoted: I have an FFL as a manufacturer and am going to be offering factory equipped ARs with FRTs shortly. They are 100% legal. In fact, the court prohibited ATF from even suggesting they aren't legal to people. Nobody wants to ship them to Iowa.  Smuggler's Blues official music video (best quality) |
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Quoted: I've had a lot of fun with FRT's. Hopefully I'll get this one to the range in the next week or two. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20250206_201508_jpg-3458873.JPG Did you order yours from Deltateamtactical.com? While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work |
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Quoted: While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work Quoted: Quoted: I've had a lot of fun with FRT's. Hopefully I'll get this one to the range in the next week or two. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20250206_201508_jpg-3458873.JPG Did you order yours from Deltateamtactical.com? While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work @lil_Sig Wait, what? Did Deltateamtactical actually copy the Rare Breed FRT and sell it as their own? There’s no indication that it’s not a Rare Breed trigger on their site. |
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Quoted: @lil_Sig Wait, what? Did Deltateamtactical actually copy the Rare Breed FRT and sell it as their own? There’s no indication that it’s not a Rare Breed trigger on their site. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've had a lot of fun with FRT's. Hopefully I'll get this one to the range in the next week or two. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20250206_201508_jpg-3458873.JPG Did you order yours from Deltateamtactical.com? While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work @lil_Sig Wait, what? Did Deltateamtactical actually copy the Rare Breed FRT and sell it as their own? There’s no indication that it’s not a Rare Breed trigger on their site. I don’t think there’s any indication that it *IS* either and since DTT is famous for selling off-brand (mainly house brand) stuff I just presumed it was their own copy/knockoff but I have no information about whether it infringes the RBT patents or not. |
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Quoted: I don’t think there’s any indication that it *IS* either and since DTT is famous for selling off-brand (mainly house brand) stuff I just presumed it was their own copy/knockoff but I have no information about whether it infringes the RBT patents or not. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've had a lot of fun with FRT's. Hopefully I'll get this one to the range in the next week or two. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20250206_201508_jpg-3458873.JPG Did you order yours from Deltateamtactical.com? While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work @lil_Sig Wait, what? Did Deltateamtactical actually copy the Rare Breed FRT and sell it as their own? There’s no indication that it’s not a Rare Breed trigger on their site. I don’t think there’s any indication that it *IS* either and since DTT is famous for selling off-brand (mainly house brand) stuff I just presumed it was their own copy/knockoff but I have no information about whether it infringes the RBT patents or not. Well, shit. I guess I’m going to find out real soon. |
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Quoted: While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work It is my understanding, from people in the biz, that Rare Breed is good with this. Not sure about Rare BREAD 
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Quoted: It is my understanding, from people in the biz, that Rare Breed is good with this. Not sure about Rare BREAD  Good catch.Rare Breed is NOT OK with this. And who would be ok with a company copying their patented product and selling it while the government holds you under court order. Watch their Video on their page. Rare Breed Triggers |
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Quoted: Good catch.Rare Breed is NOT OK with this. And who would be ok with a company copying their patented product and selling it while the government holds you under court order. Watch their Video on their page. Rare Breed Triggers Quoted: Quoted: It is my understanding, from people in the biz, that Rare Breed is good with this. Not sure about Rare BREAD Good catch.Rare Breed is NOT OK with this. And who would be ok with a company copying their patented product and selling it while the government holds you under court order. Watch their Video on their page. Rare Breed Triggers There is a video from “Desk Pop” posted in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/FRT-15L3-Anyone-have-one-/5-2761996/ where the comments say these are Rare Breed triggers that Delta Team Tactical is selling. Anyone have one of these in hand to verify? |
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Well, here is a direct quote from the ATF website: Rare Breed FRT-15s and Wide-Open Triggers (WOTs) are not machineguns under the NFA and as such, their possession is not in violation of Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return As long as your state hasn't made them illegal, I wouldn't worry at this point. |
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Quoted: Well, here is a direct quote from the ATF website: Rare Breed FRT-15s and Wide-Open Triggers (WOTs) are not machineguns under the NFA and as such, their possession is not in violation of Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return As long as your state hasn't made them illegal, I wouldn't worry at this point. Legal until the next person writes them a letter and they change their mind. |
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Quoted: Well, here is a direct quote from the ATF website: Rare Breed FRT-15s and Wide-Open Triggers (WOTs) are not machineguns under the NFA and as such, their possession is not in violation of Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return As long as your state hasn't made them illegal, I wouldn't worry at this point. Made hot. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return |
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Quoted: No. I never got a letter. I purchased direct from rare breed multiple times. Quoted: Quoted: Did the gov ever harass you over those things? And by that I mean did they ever make contact with you IRT these new freedom accessories we've been blessed with? Very cool! |
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Quoted: Legal until the next person writes them a letter and they change their mind. Quoted: Quoted: Well, here is a direct quote from the ATF website: Rare Breed FRT-15s and Wide-Open Triggers (WOTs) are not machineguns under the NFA and as such, their possession is not in violation of Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return As long as your state hasn't made them illegal, I wouldn't worry at this point. Legal until the next person writes them a letter and they change their mind. Oh I get it. But at this point, now even they have admitted under current federal law it's not an MG. It is gonna be hard to walk that back without passing new law to revise the definition of MG. I am kind of in shock ...I mean ...thats about as close as a gov entity admitting it was wrong as your gonna get right there. My opinion, the public is better off now with official admission from them. |
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Quoted: Well, here is a direct quote from the ATF website: Rare Breed FRT-15s and Wide-Open Triggers (WOTs) are not machineguns under the NFA and as such, their possession is not in violation of Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers%E2%80%99-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return As long as your state hasn't made them illegal, I wouldn't worry at this point. The ruling said All FRTs and the ATF post is making it seem like this only applies to WOT and Rarebreed. I hate that they can't just come out and say they're all legal. Still I never thought I would see them concede they were wrong. |
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I'm not familiar with ak super safeties but according to GOA the ATF is sending this letter to local law enforcement informing them that this specific device is a machine gun. Attached File |
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Quoted: I'm not familiar with ak super safeties but according to GOA the ATF is sending this letter to local law enforcement informing them that this specific device is a machine gun. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285899/1000022775_jpg-3464665.JPG Sounds like it’s the AK version of a swift link. |
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Quoted: There are two versions. One is a super safety and pushes the trigger forward. The other version trips the disconnector and is essentially an ak swift link machinegun Ah thank you for the clarification. I had a feeling it wasn't actually a forced reset while I was looking at it. |
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Quoted: There are two versions. One is a super safety and pushes the trigger forward. The other version trips the disconnector and is essentially an ak swift link machinegun Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like it's the AK version of a swift link. The other version trips the disconnector and is essentially an ak swift link machinegun Are the names “AK-DIAS” and “Super Safe AK” for these devices used interchangeably, or is the Swift Link version normally referred to as an “AK-DIAS” while the other version normally referred to as a “Super Safe AK?” It would seem the ATF is discussing the Swift Link version but calls out both. |
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Quoted: Are the names "AK-DIAS" and "Super Safe AK" for these devices used interchangeably, or is the Swift Link version normally referred to as an "AK-DIAS" while the other version normally referred to as a "Super Safe AK?" It would seem the ATF is discussing the Swift Link version but calls out both. |
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Quoted: I'm not super familiar with them. I think atf is mixing them up on their flyer. The unfortunate thing is the average cop has no idea. My ex's uncle used to be the city sheriff, and he had 30 years of police service prior to that. He tried to tell me at dinner once that my suppressors weren't legal if I didn't have a class 3 license. He was completely unaware that you can just file a form 4 and buy one. Lol. |
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Quoted: Would be interested to know your setup OP. I’ve been trying to get it to run smoothly with no luck. Two or three rounds in, FTF…lght strikes with both a 12 and 16-inch upper. Tried H1 and H2 buffers. Have not tried a H3 buffer, but I did pick up the super 42 in both H2 and H3. Same uppers run flawless with someone out of the stamp collections. I can tell you 100% that you have bolt bounce. You need to find the right buffer for your gun. The bolt is in rebound when the hammer falls and it’s causing your light strikes. Film your bolt closing from lock with your phone in slo-mo and you’ll see. |
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Quoted: Their video on their website says they will release their latest version when their New York lawsuit is settled. That’s what I am waiting for. I want to buy from them because they’re fighting the fight. I have several rifles and PCC’s that I intend to add 3-position FRT’s to. |
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Quoted: I would like to hear everyones H2, H3, 9mm buffer experiences with FRT. Any issues to look out for? Recommendations? I tried an H1 and an H3 buffer and both caused problems. An H2 seems to be the ticket in my gun. I’ll probably still go to a heavy spring but my gun runs about 95% with the H2 and a standard spring. |
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Quoted: I tried an H1 and an H3 buffer and both caused problems. An H2 seems to be the ticket in my gun. I’ll probably still go to a heavy spring but my gun runs about 95% with the H2 and a standard spring. You should try the Spikes H2 powdered metal buffer… the powdered metal inside the buffer slows the carrier upon closing so no bounce… those who have tried it in their standard carbine configuration have reported great success |
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Quoted: Do these work with LWRC piston guns like the M6 IC? https://youtube.com/shorts/iV5Oe_3LtYg?si=uz-3ovF-MWsz-WoT |
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Quoted: While I really REALLY want one. They have stolen the patented design from Rare Bread Triggers. Who developed and put their ass on the line to bring us this product. They spent tons on the battle. I will spend my money with them once they finish their battle. In support of their work This. I will wait as well. |
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Quoted: I assume these are not compatible with Sig MCX/Virtus/Rattler? Or are they? Needs this |