[ARCHIVED THREAD] - F4 Phantom (Page 4 of 5)
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"Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/MiG_Killers.png (Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/F-4_Phantom_II_Collings_Foundation.jpg THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/555_FS.jpg Triple Nickel was based at Luke when I was a kid In the F15 Yep, beat me to it. |
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Quoted: A long time favorite of mine too. Didn't like it on bit when they were pahsed out of Luke AFB and replaced with F-15's when I was a kid. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/azsnakeman/aviation/501a.jpg http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/azsnakeman/aviation/071a.jpg http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/azsnakeman/aviation/283b.jpg As much as I will always be fond of the Phantom IIs, the F-15 will always be my favorite, because I've spent nearly 19 years now working on them. |
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Got $12k sitting around? Take one for a spin. I wonder how congress now feels about that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/MiG_Killers.png (Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/F-4_Phantom_II_Collings_Foundation.jpg THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/555_FS.jpg Triple Nickel was based at Luke when I was a kid In the F15 Yep, beat me to it. I used to pass by their building every time my dad would take me to check out his work/ softball practice/ the red bull |
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I will always have a soft spot for this warbird.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmXvQqEcJZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpYfqI8uMKM&feature=relatedGreat fighters. Thanks for posting the videos. |
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/555_FS.jpg/250px-555_FS.jpg The largest Distributor of Migs Parts in SE Asia. I was in the Triple Nickel when it was an F-15 RTU. They had behind glass, a Christmas card they sent to a Mig Squadron in North Vietnam that said. Merry Christmas from the Triple Nickel. The largest distributor of Mig parts in SE Asia. That Mig squadron wrote something in the card and sent it back and it hung on the wall behind glass in the squadron ever since. Fuckin A 
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I consider myself fortunate to have cut my teeth in the aircraft maintenance world on the phabulous phantom. The AF still hasn't adequately replaced the last real Wild Weasel. Sure they did. They call it the ALCM Not much use against pop up transmitters and mobile sites. The f-16 hts is shit. At least the Navy understands the need for kinetic SEAD hence the Growler. |
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Quoted: Dad on the right. He had over 2000 hours in the Phantom. Notice the bad ass mustaches. Only the best Phantom pilots can rock one.  http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/168403_198056830207077_100000082838303_736390_768493_n.jpg I know both of those guys. |
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63-7485 F4-C 63-0611 F4-C 74-1641 F4-E 74-0652 F4-E 69-7254 F4-G 69-7300 F4-G My girls. First two assistent Crew Chief after that DCC all the way!  
I hated trying to stuff the drag chute pack into place by Myself. Talk about 10lbs of poop in a 5lb bag! " I tells Ya , that door will never close!" 
The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Quoted: Growing up near MCAS Yuma you got to know those birds pretty well. And just thought I'd add this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Robin_Olds_during_vietnam_war.jpg/511px-Robin_Olds_during_vietnam_war.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2493/5792305299_273136ca33_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/F-4C_Phantom_II_%28PCAM%29_3.jpg/450px-F-4C_Phantom_II_%28PCAM%29_3.jpg Gen. Robin Olds. 5 kills in a P-38J. 7 kills in a P-51D. 4 kills in a F-4C. That's a man who liked shooting things out of the air. |
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There is another F-4 being worked on with the intention of making if fly again..........
Wings and Rotors F-4 The web site is a mess to navigate around, but there are 4 pages of info and pics of the restoration project. |
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I'm happy I got to see them fly. Baddest lookin jets around.
I went to AFROTC field training at Tyndall AFB. They had F-4's (being converted to target drones), F-15's, and F-22's there. The F-22's sounded like pure power, and completely smooth. The F-15's had a tremendous guttural roar. The F-4's sounded like 100 metal trashcans being thrown down a concrete stairwell. They were my favorite to listen to. |
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I went to AFROTC field training at Tyndall AFB. They had F-4's (being converted to target drones), F-15's, and F-22's there. . We still have the QF-4s and F-22s and just recently T-38s have been added to the mix. But the F-15 are gone now. 
Our last 3 leaving on 21 Sep 10. 
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We used to do FOD walks down the runway at Homestead. It's a two mile runway, and by the time we got from one end to the other, we had filled up two 55 gallon barrels with nuts, bolts, chunks of metal, rocks and pieces of runway. It's amazing those hogs flew with all the parts falling off them! One time we had to get off the runway onto the grass quickly when a couple of F4Es were scrambled, likely to intercept Migs and/or Bear bombers to keep them out of our airspace. They were headed to Cuba, 90 miles to the south, this was the height of the cold war, and the Russkies were always testing us to see how close they could get. We used to scramble fighters out of US bases all down the east coast to chase the commies away. |
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Funny, my father told me when they were testing those gun pods, they mounted three. Firing all three caused considerable recoil and affected flight characteristics enough that they wouldn't do that for actual operations. |
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"Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/MiG_Killers.png (Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/F-4_Phantom_II_Collings_Foundation.jpg THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/555_FS.jpg I do remember one of my dad's unit plaques... he was in the Triple Nickel. |
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Here's a pic that might suprise a few people here, F-4's in RAAF markings.
(bah, direct linking fails, have to hotlink instead) More RAAF F-4 pics here. Before the RAAF acquired it's F-111's it was oeperating B-20 Canberras (UK version) as tactical bombers. Due to delays with the F-111 the RAAF was facing a gap of several years between the retirement of the Canberras and the delivery of the F-111's, so the RAAF leased 24 F-4's from the US during the early 70's as a stand in until the F-111's were ready for delivery. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Got $12k sitting around? Take one for a spin. I wonder how congress now feels about that. It's permissible as it's for a legitimate training activity, not mere joyriding. Of course, this is how MOST warbird flights operate. As long as you can say that instruction and learning have taken place, it's training and it's OK. Of course, the enjoyment of the flight is probably greater than the knowledge imparted, but there's nothing illegal about enjoying your lessons.  |
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Some history of the F-4 and how my unit got thier name
366 Gunfighters |
| The military channel had an incredible story on an F4 dog fight during the Vietnam war in their "Dogfight" series. Duke Cunningham was the F4 ace that was portrayed in the documentary. The actions and kills were certified. Too bad he disgraced himself years later. |
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The military channel had an incredible story on an F4 dog fight during the Vietnam war in their "Dogfight" series. Duke Cunningham was the F4 ace that was portrayed in the documentary. The actions and kills were certified. Too bad he disgraced himself years later. Yup. Its sad. |
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Got $12k sitting around? Take one for a spin. I wonder how congress now feels about that. It's permissible as it's for a legitimate training activity, not mere joyriding. Of course, this is how MOST warbird flights operate. As long as you can say that instruction and learning have taken place, it's training and it's OK. Of course, the enjoyment of the flight is probably greater than the knowledge imparted, but there's nothing illegal about enjoying your lessons.
Each and every single training mission is briefed for an hour and debriefed for up to 8 hours, usual is 2-4 hours. The objectives of the mission are clear cut and the mission is executed as if it is a combat mission. Nobody wastes gas joy or joyriding. There is no " as long as you can say that instruction and learning have taken place" attitude. The knowledge learned and debriefed is paramount. While parts of it may be enjoyable, most of it feels like a fist fight including broken blood vessels, sweating until you have no more sweat left and being unable to move certain ways shortly after it's over due to muscle strain. There is no " enjoyment of the flight is probably greater than the knowledge impaired" People that think that way, never get there. It's about winning the fight at all costs. Nothing less. Cross country flights, airshows and static displays are different though, because there is no training involved. Those are mostly tasked by higher headquarters for PR purposes. I just wanted to set the record straight. Combat training consumes every ounce of your mental and physical ability, there is no enjoyment. It's task oriented and focused. Is it fun? yes, after the fact. Not while you are doing it. |
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The military channel had an incredible story on an F4 dog fight during the Vietnam war in their "Dogfight" series. Duke Cunningham was the F4 ace that was portrayed in the documentary. The actions and kills were certified. Too bad he disgraced himself years later. Yup. Its sad. That is when I realized that if Duke was a crook, then they all must be. |
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Got $12k sitting around? Take one for a spin. I wonder how congress now feels about that. It's permissible as it's for a legitimate training activity, not mere joyriding. Of course, this is how MOST warbird flights operate. As long as you can say that instruction and learning have taken place, it's training and it's OK. Of course, the enjoyment of the flight is probably greater than the knowledge imparted, but there's nothing illegal about enjoying your lessons.
Each and every single training mission is briefed for an hour and debriefed for up to 8 hours, usual is 2-4 hours. The objectives of the mission are clear cut and the mission is executed as if it is a combat mission. Nobody wastes gas joy or joyriding. There is no " as long as you can say that instruction and learning have taken place" attitude. The knowledge learned and debriefed is paramount. While parts of it may be enjoyable, most of it feels like a fist fight including broken blood vessels, sweating until you have no more sweat left and being unable to move certain ways shortly after it's over due to muscle strain. There is no " enjoyment of the flight is probably greater than the knowledge impaired" People that think that way, never get there. It's about winning the fight at all costs. Nothing less. Cross country flights, airshows and static displays are different though, because there is no training involved. Those are mostly tasked by higher headquarters for PR purposes. I just wanted to set the record straight. Combat training consumes every ounce of your mental and physical ability, there is no enjoyment. It's task oriented and focused. Is it fun? yes, after the fact. Not while you are doing it. Yeah, firewall that throttle for a go around. They are talking about private aircraft providing joy rides for civilians. |
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The military channel had an incredible story on an F4 dog fight during the Vietnam war in their "Dogfight" series. Duke Cunningham was the F4 ace that was portrayed in the documentary. The actions and kills were certified. Too bad he disgraced himself years later. Frankly, based on the criteria for medals given for aerial combat in Vietnam, I'm surprised that Duke and Irish weren't given the Medal of Honor. Normally it was a Silver Star for one kill, service cross for a twofer. They got 5 overall, 3 in one day, and had less medals than someone like Jeff Feinstein, also 5 kills, who I think got an Air Force Cross and 4 Silver Stars. I'm sure there was some reason for that sort of discrepancy, but I'd be interested in hearing exactly why. |
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As a side note, today I have seen in the air: T-6 ll, T-34, T-1, H-57, AV-8, C-40, big and small F-18s, T-39, C-130 with the buzzy props and a B-17. No airshow. Damn you have me beat. I flew/saw the OH58D, and saw 3 Chinooks in formation and a couple of Apaches milling about. |
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Holy Shit!, I remember my dad showing me that picture at the base. He flew that plane (only one gunpod though). 
I'll have to ask him if they ever fired all the guns together, or if it was just mocked up to show it could be done (IIRC the latter- but will verify) |
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As a side note, today I have seen in the air: T-6 ll, T-34, T-1, H-57, AV-8, C-40, big and small F-18s, T-39, C-130 with the buzzy props and a B-17. No airshow. Damn you have me beat. I flew/saw the OH58D, and saw 3 Chinooks in formation and a couple of Apaches milling about. You're up at Rucker I assume. I need to take a drive up there and poke around. Know any female contractor -58 pilots? |
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As a side note, today I have seen in the air: T-6 ll, T-34, T-1, H-57, AV-8, C-40, big and small F-18s, T-39, C-130 with the buzzy props and a B-17. No airshow. Damn you have me beat. I flew/saw the OH58D, and saw 3 Chinooks in formation and a couple of Apaches milling about. You're up at Rucker I assume. I need to take a drive up there and poke around. Know any female contractor -58 pilots? Yes I am at Rucker. My flight doesn't have any female IPs, but I did see one on the ramp the other day. |
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As a side note, today I have seen in the air: T-6 ll, T-34, T-1, H-57, AV-8, C-40, big and small F-18s, T-39, C-130 with the buzzy props and a B-17. No airshow. Damn you have me beat. I flew/saw the OH58D, and saw 3 Chinooks in formation and a couple of Apaches milling about. Just F-22s and F-4s for me today. 
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