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11/12/2018 7:30:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Got my Garand in 1980. Shot LOTS of military surplus dated WWII or even earlier.
Of course, the military ammo was (allegedly) sealed with varnish.
11/12/2018 7:30:57 PM EDT
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I've heard of salt having an expiration date. There isn't much that surprises me anymore.
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Rubbing alcohol.  
11/12/2018 7:31:47 PM EDT
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Ammunition loaded with lead free primers has a much shorter shelf life than conventional primers.
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11/12/2018 7:32:22 PM EDT
[#4]
I ran a bunch of 1930's ammo through my Browning 1919 machine gun a few years ago.  It ran just fine, but the muzzle blast and fire ball were way more than modern ammo.
11/12/2018 7:33:47 PM EDT
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Yup primers only have a 5 year shelf live..
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Wow.  All those primers I used up about 2 years ago that I bought during the "great primer shortage of 1994" must be magic, since they all work fine.
11/12/2018 7:34:32 PM EDT
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Being a shooter instead of a collector, I fired a box of WWII vintage 38 Special one day, some random person drove up to the range, handed it to me, and left. Every one of the 50 rounds went bang and hit the targets I was shooting at. I did make sure the gun got cleaned well afterwards but ammo has a close to indefinite shelf life if well stored.

I have heard about the lead free primers having more duds after ten years, but I don't load or shoot those.
11/12/2018 7:34:43 PM EDT
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I have a lot of 30's dated ammo that still works fine.
11/12/2018 7:36:38 PM EDT
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Yep. Send me all your 10+ year old ammo. I'll dispose of it for you.
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Yeah this for sure
11/12/2018 7:40:51 PM EDT
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I shot two bricks of Remington 22lr that we're stored in a filling cabnet.
They all went bang but a few I had to check if they made it out of the barrel.
Date of purchase was 1980 and I shot them in 2013.

If 22 lr can last that long center fire cartridges should last 50+ years.
11/12/2018 7:42:22 PM EDT
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Back when .22 bricks were as rare as Unicorn horns, I stumbled across 2 boxes at my local place.

A neckbeard immediately descended upon me with sausage fingers, flannel wings, plumbers crack, greasy hair and smelled of mold and sweat.
"Hey buddy.....You buyin dat?"

"Well, I was thinking maybe I should, I haven't seen any in at least two years, even though I'm sitting on enough but I shoot a LOT of .22."

Well, ya know dere, dat the ammo companies are startin ta load it wit powder dat only lasts two, tree years at most."

"In that case, I'll take it. Even if I don't shoot it after hearing such a bullshit story, it will still be worth it"

That guy gave me a sneer and huffed off
11/12/2018 7:45:44 PM EDT
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Ammunition loaded with lead free primers has a much shorter shelf life than conventional primers.

(Well, except for the old corrosive chlorate primers, they had the best shelf life).
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TRUE.

11/12/2018 7:48:34 PM EDT
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Aluminum Styphynate primers ( used instead of lead styphynate or DDNP) have about a 10-15 year “shelf life” allegedly, but I don’t know if it’s been used long enough to make that claim.

The “lead-free” craze started about 15 years ago—I remember it as a selling point of the FN 5.7x28.

Aluminum styphynate wasn’t used 20+ years ago, but potassium chlorate was mixed with lead styphynate or mercury fulminate, which is where “corrosive” primers came from.  My point is that ammo before WWII was mostly lead styphynate until the “lead-free” craze about 15 years ago.  Don’t worry about shelf-life unless your ammo is suffering temperature fluctuations and freezing, or high moisture.
11/12/2018 7:51:17 PM EDT
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I wonder what people did in the wild west before climate control. I bet had hangfires like woah.
11/12/2018 7:51:47 PM EDT
[#14]
I have some 22lr ammo from Montgomery Wards and I bet it still shoots. I shot some probably 15-20 years ago and it shot just like new ammo.

Keep your possessions nice and they can last forever.
11/12/2018 7:54:05 PM EDT
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Shelf life primer:

Sintox primers only last about 10 years.  Lots of Sintox mis-fires after that:

11/12/2018 7:55:14 PM EDT
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Haha, no.

Keep it dry, cool, and don't jostle it around like crazy and it will last longer than 10 years, easily.

Federal wants to sell more ammo.

Now if they mean 10 years in a mag in your carry gun, I'd believe that.  But ammo stored in ammo cans with desiccant in a cool closet that doesn't change temperature a bunch.....yeah, I no believe it.
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I know of factual occurrences where someone has aquired a German Luger decades old with original ammo still in the mag and it shot fine.
11/12/2018 7:55:22 PM EDT
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It has.  I have some Clinton era 9mm practice ammunition, as well as some 5.7 x 28mm SS195, which, if not 10 years old, is very close.

The 9mm has given me occasional misfires, though I haven't shot any in the last couple of years.

Need to try the 5.7, just to see.

The 9mm produced a lot of mis-fires with my 9mm AR, even when it was fairly new.  Apparently it doesnt like a very healthy strike.
11/12/2018 7:56:39 PM EDT
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All part of the Pentavirate conspiracy to eliminate guns.
11/12/2018 7:58:22 PM EDT
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That pic sums up the world we live in perfectly.
11/12/2018 7:58:36 PM EDT
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LOL. NaCl ain't pink. "Uncomtaminated"? It's contaminated AF with FeO (ferrous oxide, that's rust to me & you) which is why it's pink.

Great example of government regulation making zero sense.
11/12/2018 7:59:30 PM EDT
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It has.  I have some Clinton era 9mm practice ammunition, as well as some 5.7 x 28mm SS195, which, if not 10 years old, is very close.

The 9mm has given me occasional misfires, though I haven't shot any in the last couple of years.

Need to try the 5.7, just to see.

The 9mm produced a lot of mis-fires with my 9mm AR, even when it was fairly new.  Apparently it doesnt like a very healthy strike.  
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Aluminum Styphynate primers ( used instead of lead styphynate or DDNP) have about a 10-15 year “shelf life” allegedly, but I don’t know if it’s been used long enough to make that claim.
It has.  I have some Clinton era 9mm practice ammunition, as well as some 5.7 x 28mm SS195, which, if not 10 years old, is very close.

The 9mm has given me occasional misfires, though I haven't shot any in the last couple of years.

Need to try the 5.7, just to see.

The 9mm produced a lot of mis-fires with my 9mm AR, even when it was fairly new.  Apparently it doesnt like a very healthy strike.  
When I was taking courses at the SIG Academy in NH, they used frangible lead free due to concerns about instructors being exposed to indoor lead.

I didn’t buy much frangible, but I figured if 5.7x28 went the way of the GyroJet, i’d rather have components than not.
11/12/2018 7:59:48 PM EDT
[#23]
maybe their shit but mine has lasted 40+ years.
11/12/2018 8:02:29 PM EDT
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I've shot 8mm and 7.62x54r that was buried in Budapest or somewhere else in Eastern Europe in the late 40s, dug up and sent to the US out of a Mosin and 98k, they usually go bang, and are just as hot as they should be.

None of 'em ever failed after a second hit.

Likewise I've fired .257 Roberts loaded in the 1950s and 7-30 Waters not much younger.

No problems there either (less problems than the military stuff TBH).

Now the new stuff (the lead free) I'm leary about, and I always shoot the lead free stuff first.
11/12/2018 8:07:34 PM EDT
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...was a bacteria that eats the chemicals out of the primers.
...or was it the powder...
11/12/2018 8:08:00 PM EDT
[#26]
I have some 1917 and 1918 headstamped .30-'06. Just for giggles I checked a couple of them to see if they would still shoot. They did fine. The only real issue is that the annealing process of the day left something to be desired and you'll see a neck cracked in one every now and then. As far as I can tell, this ammo was loaded during the Great War, stored for 25 years, and then sent to the Pacific Theater in WWII where my grandfather came to possess it. It came home with him, was tossed in an unheated, un-insulated closet for 60 years, and then was acquired by me. Not exactly ideal storage conditions.
11/12/2018 8:09:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Y'all are looking at this the wrong way.
In today's environment, we should be doing everything we can to perpetuate this myth.
All the dumbass gun grabbers will be smugly telling themselves that American patriots' ammo supplies will be useless in a decade.
Then when CW2 kicks off, surprise cockfags, it's all good to go!
11/12/2018 8:16:07 PM EDT
[#28]
I'll just relate this little anecdote and then run and hide. In 2005 I bought some WWB Q3131a (IMI) and it was popping primers every 5th round and it was flattening the F out of those that didn't pop. I returned it to Winchester and they replaced it with WWB .223, because 5.56 was too frightening to send to a scumbag peasant civilian, such as me. I found 500 rounds of the same Q3131a about 3 months ago (same lot), I shot it all and I had no popped primers and the primers all looked normal after firing. It has been stored in my basement since then. What happened? My theory is that the powder lost some of it's oomph.

11/12/2018 8:16:48 PM EDT
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And oil needs changed every 3,000 miles
I've never changed the oil in my ammo.
You'll void the warranty...
11/12/2018 8:20:26 PM EDT
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I have a really old box of .218 Bee from around 1950. The few rounds I tried worked just fine.
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About 20 years ago I shot some 303 from World War 1.  Headstamps 1916 to 1918.  They all shot and impacted at the point of aim.
11/12/2018 8:21:27 PM EDT
[#31]
It's true......and it will only hurt for a little while.......I'll only put the head of it in......
11/12/2018 8:23:32 PM EDT
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Some clown on one of the Pacific islands pulled a case of Jap 7.7 out of a sunken ship and it fired just fine.

Don't aske me where I read it but I did read it somewhere.
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Sure, under water.
Some clown on one of the Pacific islands pulled a case of Jap 7.7 out of a sunken ship and it fired just fine.

Don't aske me where I read it but I did read it somewhere.
In a case or tin it'll last plenty long under water indeed.
11/12/2018 8:25:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Ha ha suckers all your plastic guns and your plastic magazines are going to become brittle in a few years.
11/12/2018 8:32:25 PM EDT
[#34]
I've had duds with old 9mm and .303.
11/12/2018 8:42:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Ship for me for disposal.  I'll even pay  for shipping
11/12/2018 8:48:52 PM EDT
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I've shot WWII 40's (headstamps) .303, 8mm, 7.62x54R and 30.06

Went BANG every time.

Corrosive Primers, so a proper cleaning was needed...
11/12/2018 8:51:59 PM EDT
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My dad had ammo (.22 shorts) on the shelf in his closet he squirrel hunted with up to 5 or 6 years ago.  The had a little sticker on the box that said, "Tennessee 1 cent tax".  He bought those in 1965 when we lived in Murfreesboro.

I've shot HXP in my M1 head stamped 1969.

I've shot reloads I ran across in my attic that had been up there for just over 25 years and the darn attic is hot as hell in the summer and frosty cold in the winter.  All the powder and primers stored up there for 25 years was still good, too.  I've used all the primers and most of the powder in the last 8 years (except the WW powder that never performed with the IMR powder when I bought it in the early 80's, still have a partial can of 748 and 760).
11/12/2018 8:53:27 PM EDT
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Yep. My 1937 8x56R works fine.
11/12/2018 8:55:58 PM EDT
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I'll just relate this little anecdote and then run and hide. In 2005 I bought some WWB Q3131a (IMI) and it was popping primers every 5th round and it was flattening the F out of those that didn't pop. I returned it to Winchester and they replaced it with WWB .223, because 5.56 was too frightening to send to a scumbag peasant civilian, such as me. I found 500 rounds of the same Q3131a about 3 months ago (same lot), I shot it all and I had no popped primers and the primers all looked normal after firing. It has been stored in my basement since then. What happened? My theory is that the powder lost some of it's oomph.

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Your theory is wrong.
11/12/2018 8:58:28 PM EDT
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OMG, that’s hilarious.  And the springs in magazines wear out if you keep them loaded.
11/12/2018 8:58:57 PM EDT
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LOL.

I bought 6 or 8 boxes of mil issue .45 fmj from WW2 era at a pawn shop for like $7 a box because the proprietor "thought it was only good for a wallhanger being that old". Every round went bang in my 1911.
11/12/2018 8:59:10 PM EDT
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And oil needs changed every 3,000 miles
I've never changed the oil in my ammo.
It’s a metaphor, dude.
11/12/2018 9:00:23 PM EDT
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11/12/2018 9:02:09 PM EDT
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Rubbing alcohol.  
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I've heard of salt having an expiration date. There isn't much that surprises me anymore.
Rubbing alcohol.  
USDA and FDA require an expiration date on nearly everything...that includes needles, syringes, orthopedic screws...And yes rubbing alcohol.  Ironically, the expiration date on some radioactive isotopes used are well beyond their half life...making them useless and yet not expired.  That's government for you
11/12/2018 9:05:58 PM EDT
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I ran a bunch of 1930's ammo through my Browning 1919 machine gun a few years ago.  It ran just fine, but the muzzle blast and fire ball were way more than modern ammo.
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We should be friends.
11/12/2018 9:06:03 PM EDT
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I have a lot of 2003 green tip I have been firing lately.

No issues at all and many have been in a mag over 5yrs. Been shooting the last of my old ammo and loading the mags with newer stuff.

I have some 303 ammo from the 50s and so far they all go bang.
11/12/2018 9:12:03 PM EDT
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In 2010 I was shooting 30.06 LC69 ammo that's 41 years old it still work great. Yep it all depends on how it is stored. I would say no that is not correct.
11/12/2018 9:20:57 PM EDT
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OP,

Unless you have “lead-free” primers, you don’t have anything to worry about, unless your ammo is freezing & thawing.  Or, you have corrosive primers & need to use hot water to rinse the salts (potassium chloride).
11/12/2018 9:21:15 PM EDT
[#49]
So the issue is the newer lead free primers May go bad?
11/12/2018 9:28:21 PM EDT
[#50]
So an ammo maker says their ammo has a shelf life.......

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