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Ever wonder why people may not believe you? During my 20s I bought a gun a month or more I was young with no responsibility and was hardcore handgunner , bowling pins, IPSC, Steel, etc shot about 250K in handgun rounds during that decade figured it up once I have owned over 100 handguns I switched handguns like under wear to find what worked for me I run my stuff , hard dirty and hot just feel for what most 1911s cost ya shouldn't have to buy different mags , and polish and tweak the thing for a brand new firearm to function acceptably owned a bunch a Wilson was the only thing out f the box that functioned acceptably for me Why not? It's a complex machine. All the parts need to jive in order for it to function. There are a TON of 1911 manufacturers out there, so finding the right combo of mags and guns is essential. It's completely worth the effort, and fun as well. The mag is definitely the weak link in the 1911. I am dead against just having anyone who calls themselves a gunsmith work on them though. I have seen way too many 1911s made worse over the yrs by unnecessary 'tuning' People should try several things before they start tuning a 1911 with unnecessary polishing. Springs on used 1911s are a common culprit as are mags. I own a Wilson and while it is an awesome pistol that is over the top as far as tolerances go like the OP has found out I don't think you have to spend 3K or so on a 1911 to have a good one. Frankly for carry my Kimbers are my fave even though they have a bad rep which is largely just internet bullshit. Oh and I also REALLY like my Glock21. |
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To each his own but I have zero tolerance for an unreliable handgun. No koolaid in the world is strong enough to overcome that nasty taste and I've seen more than my share of low-end and high-end 1911 designs not meeting expectations. It's also a pretty sad commentary that a Chinese version of the iconic US pistol is considered the zenith. That is just pathetic.  
While I'm on a roll... I never really understood why people think the ergos are so great. Every one that I've picked up felt like holding a piece of unfinished 1x2 lumber without chamfered edges. Besides.....even JMB (God rest his soul) knew he could do better. BHP is dead sexy.  What do you consider reliable? If someone tells me their pistol has never failed then I know they do more talking then shooting. Sooner or later an automatic will shit the bed, all of them. It might be a bad mag, bad round or limpwristing or a thumb riding a slide. Might just be an act of God, I know a 1911 requires more diligence when it comes to recoil springs and mags and past 10k rounds you need to look at your extractor possibly needing replaced or a little bend put back into it. But I can live with that for what I get out of it. Besides, it only took the industry like 30 years to get a polymer framed striker thingy pistol right. That M&P was a homerun I will give them that. The world might have finally came up with a pistol that might make range toys out of my 1911s. Give them a try. The M&P is the only gun that's made my 1911s optional. Add me to that list too. The M&P is the only polymer pistol I have ever been able to shoot as well as a 1911. They got the ergo's right, along with a decent trigger, and super reliability. I still carry my 1911 some of the time (a super reliable and accurate "pre-Tanfoglio" Dan Wesson) but the M&P is my daily carry most of the time now. I've owned just about every Glock model made up until about 10 years ago and make no mistake, they don't hold a candle to the M&P's. |
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Or you could have just bought one Glock and been done with it. +1 These 1911 lover threads about harrowing storries of long years trying to make thier gun work right crack me up.Almost as bad as the absolute bullshit glock fanboys come up with. I've only been around one glock that worked worth a shit. The rest were a joke. I find it VERY hard to believe I'm the only one that has had that kind of luck. But hey, you continue your regularly scheduled bullshit. Sorry, I like 1911's, but that statement is just goofy ! I've worked with Glocks for the past 9 years, 59 shooters on the range each month and very few, malfunctions, and only one critical malfunction in all that time. I love me some 1911, but the Glock is about as reliable as they come. i hate glocks with white heat 100,000,000 suns, all going supernova at the same time, but the reliability of the plastic turd is right up there with the best of them. that's one of the fanboy mantras, about how their glock never failed, thus making it the best gun on earth. (of course, that criteria would make my ruger p series the best gun on earth also, wouldn't it?) give credit where it's due. |
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Or you could have just bought one Glock and been done with it. +1 These 1911 lover threads about harrowing storries of long years trying to make thier gun work right crack me up.Almost as bad as the absolute bullshit glock fanboys come up with. I've only been around one glock that worked worth a shit. The rest were a joke. I find it VERY hard to believe I'm the only one that has had that kind of luck. But hey, you continue your regularly scheduled bullshit. Sorry, I like 1911's, but that statement is just goofy ! I've worked with Glocks for the past 9 years, 59 shooters on the range each month and very few, malfunctions, and only one critical malfunction in all that time. I love me some 1911, but the Glock is about as reliable as they come. That hasn't been my experience. There is nothing "goofy" about that statement. I'm sure you have been around them more than I have but the vast majority I've been around were a joke ranging from the occasional fail to feed, to broke trigger pins, to a g26 and a g21 that can't get through a mag with out a failure. I did make a mistake, there are two I've been around that work very well. I want to like them, lightweight, good capacity, cheap mags and IMO accurate. Glock is on a all to short list of pistols that I shoot well.....I want to like them. I own two polymer framed pistols but I will not buy a Glock based on those that I have been around. |
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Oh boy, now we are gonna hear all about how the P-series are junk, blah, blah, blah from those who have never even seen one. Nevermind that my P90 is about 15 years old with who-knows how many rounds through it without one single hiccup. Same for my 3 year old P89. Sounds like your experience is the same. give credit where it's due.
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I have one 1911A1. It was made in 1944. Sadly, it didn't come with a box - I assume the GI who was issued the pistol ditched it somewhere in Europe. He also stole the pistol, and attempted to cover up his little indiscretion by grinding on the US Property mark with a file. He did a lousy job, you can still read it.
I love that gun, and I would happily trust my life to it. I highly recommend trying a nice USGI pistol (not some frankenmonster mismatched slide/frame thing with adjustable sights, etc) - an original that's been lightly used or a nice arsenal refurb - to get a good feel for how the pistol should be. Modern 1911s suffer from poor parts quality, too much excess crap, etc. -Mark |
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Why not? It's a complex machine. All the parts need to jive in order for it to function. There are a TON of 1911 manufacturers out there, so finding the right combo of mags and guns is essential. It's completely worth the effort, and fun as well. In all honesty, it SHOULD run right, right out of the box. I am done playing games with my guns. They should run. I say this as a die-hard 1911 guy... Who now runs M&Ps and has relegated his beloved 1911s to safe queen duty. We've allowed 1911 manufacturers to get away with too much. They SHOULD run like Glocks. They're mechanically far simpler than Glocks or other crunchentickers. We shouldn't have to spend $2k to get a 1911 that runs well on a large scale. (I know, this is when someone will chime in with "my representative sample of ONE runs great, you're an idiot) I am guessing that you feel the number of 1911s that you have owned is the perfect amount to become a representative sample. how many 1911s must one have owned to properly disagree with your findings? I have had a far different experience with 1911s and most of the guys I know who have owned 1911s and maintain them properly and address issues properly have no problems with their 1911. Limp wristing, bad mags and worn springs on older guns are typically the culprit on unmolested guns. 1911s that have had ramp polishing and other bullshit done to them tend to be fucked up. arfcom in general thinks that the US army adopted a gun that jams a lot and kept it in service for 80 years even though it jammed a lot. and all the FBI agents that carried the 38 super version just ignored that it jams a lot it never occurs to anyone that buying a 3rd rate version of an excellent gun is a bad idea. also, the glock is a plastic gun with a bad trigger. if that floats your boat, fine, but stop pretending it's the only reliable gun on the market. I think youve been misinformed. the 38 super was developed for law enforcement, to go thru vests and car bodies back in the 1930's. Lots of FBI guys carried them, including J edgar hoover. the generally accepted arfcom idea that the 1911 is a POS and the glock is the best gun in history is .... sad. I guess eventually the whole gun world will consist of guys with plastic guns with mushy, sproingy triggers high fiving each other for being uber tacticool A handful of agents in the 30's using it doesnt really say much. I think it was Herman Hollis that was the only famous agent that actually used a Colt .38 Super. It was a popular combination with the Texas Rangers. Anyway, you miss the hundreds of issued .45ACP 1911s they use this very day. Sidenote, I think it was the Fed who was originally a lawman from Texas that shot Dillinger, used a Colt .45 well, the point is that if the 1911 was a bad design, it would have been discovered somewhere around 1911 or 1912 or so, don't you think? seems like the army was real fond of it for 8 decades or so, along with a shitheap of law enforcement and legions of civillian shooters. 99 years is a long time for a bad product to sell like hotcakes. Maybe it's not a bad product after all. hmmmm.... I think maybe you guys should start buying autoloaders from people who know how to make them. |
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Oh boy, now we are gonna hear all about how the P-series are junk, blah, blah, blah from those who have never even seen one. Nevermind that my P90 is about 15 years old with who-knows how many rounds through it without one single hiccup. Same for my 3 year old P89. Sounds like your experience is the same. give credit where it's due.
Glockaholics will never give credit to other guns for being as good as their almighty Glocks. I will Rugers are fucking clunky pigs but they do run And Glocks are pretty???? |
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Oh boy, now we are gonna hear all about how the P-series are junk, blah, blah, blah from those who have never even seen one. Nevermind that my P90 is about 15 years old with who-knows how many rounds through it without one single hiccup. Same for my 3 year old P89. Sounds like your experience is the same. give credit where it's due.
Glockaholics will never give credit to other guns for being as good as their almighty Glocks. I will Rugers are fucking clunky pigs but they do run And Glocks are pretty???? Clunky? it's not much different than the glock. Slide width not counting levers. G17 Slide Width 1.007" P89 Slide Width 1.063" Thicker by 0.056" G17 Overall Length 8.0" P89 Overall Length 8.0" SAME Height with magazine inserted but not counting sight height G17 Overall Height 5.5" P89 Overall Height 5.5" SAME Frame width G17 Frame width 1.151" P89 Frame width 1.297" Thicker by 0.146 Overall width (Through & including the slide lock lever in both cases) G17 Overall width 1.215" P89 Overall width 1.524" Thicker by 0.309" My P94 is the slimmed down version of the P89, it is considerably slimmer than the P89 and is most likely smaller than the Glock 17. Say what you will about my P94, but you cannot find a better gun for $350 NIB. Stainless, top quality, reliable, heavy duty gun. And mine has a real DAO trigger not a pretend DAO like the glock. |