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5/23/2017 8:40:00 PM EDT
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I bought one Etherium a few weeks ago at $45 and now it's at $170.

I knew I should have bought more.
5/23/2017 8:41:28 PM EDT
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And to think,  my primary wallet at one time had well over 3000btc
5/23/2017 8:43:28 PM EDT
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5/23/2017 9:13:22 PM EDT
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 Stocks are for old money and old people. Here's to the millionaire-to-be crypto gamble.    
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Well, I guess I am old then.  If it hadn't been for my stocks, I wouldn't have had the money I used to buy bitcoins.

I also wouldn't have had the experience of trading volatile assets which is an attribute definitely needed with cryptocurrencies.
5/23/2017 9:27:52 PM EDT
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It's as volatile as buying marijuana stock.
5/23/2017 9:36:44 PM EDT
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The irony is that it's a new currency, that is worthless, because everyone wants to convert it back to USD.



When will people trade bitcoin for bitcoin. Not bitcoin for dollars.
5/23/2017 9:46:31 PM EDT
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My god there has to be a lot of rich people somewhere who bought in at the beginning or even mined their way in with CPUs and GPUs. I wonder how much attrition there actually has been too, billions worth by now.
5/23/2017 9:48:44 PM EDT
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The irony is that it's a new currency, that is worthless, because everyone wants to convert it back to USD.



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Lol.

If it's worthless, why don't you short it?
5/23/2017 9:48:53 PM EDT
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I sold at $2,000 like an idiot
5/23/2017 9:52:15 PM EDT
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How many did you cash out?

Honestly I think it will come back below $2000 before long.
5/23/2017 10:02:15 PM EDT
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I'm ready for the Tezos ICO
5/23/2017 10:38:08 PM EDT
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Well, I guess I am old then.  If it hadn't been for my stocks, I wouldn't have had the money I used to buy bitcoins.

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I started doing the 2013 boom.  I've learned more than a few lessons about volatility and trading since then
5/23/2017 10:54:22 PM EDT
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Interesting new technology.  I've been reading the papers over the last couple of days.  This one has some investors that may turn it into something -- what ETH should have been.  It's proof of stake, but it does look like they've already sold a bunch before they've opened it to the public.  

I have some concerns though, I'm going to be studying the code for a while.
5/23/2017 11:16:49 PM EDT
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Ok question for someone just getting into the game beyond owning a little ETH...

If I want to buy other currencies,  how do I do that?  What wallet do I select?  I'm looking at omniwallet and purchasing various digital currencies.  Thanks for any help.
5/23/2017 11:30:27 PM EDT
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Aaaaaaand...it's back!  Hodl life is best life.
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Hodl? I've seen that term before, on another board
5/23/2017 11:39:20 PM EDT
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Ok question for someone just getting into the game beyond owning a little ETH...

If I want to buy other currencies,  how do I do that?  What wallet do I select?  I'm looking at omniwallet and purchasing various digital currencies.  Thanks for any help.
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Poloniex is the easiest way.  And you can speculate as you see fit. Not as secure as a wallet though.  

Cryptopia has a shitload of listings, but volume is low.
5/23/2017 11:41:00 PM EDT
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Click me for answer
5/23/2017 11:41:13 PM EDT
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Don't be greedy.   Any profit is good profit.  The emotional rollercoaster will ruin you as an investor.   Be happy you made a smart choice that made you money.
5/23/2017 11:42:36 PM EDT
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The irony is that it's a new currency, that is worthless, because everyone wants to convert it back to USD.



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I buy a lot of stuff in btc now.  Its here.  It's mainstream.
5/23/2017 11:54:27 PM EDT
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Poloniex is the easiest way.  And you can speculate as you see fit. Not as secure as a wallet though.  

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Ok question for someone just getting into the game beyond owning a little ETH...

If I want to buy other currencies,  how do I do that?  What wallet do I select?  I'm looking at omniwallet and purchasing various digital currencies.  Thanks for any help.
Poloniex is the easiest way.  And you can speculate as you see fit. Not as secure as a wallet though.  

Cryptopia has a shitload of listings, but volume is low.
Thank you.  Just signed up.

How the hell do I use this?  I'm sorry, but I'm lost. How to I buy the coins I see on the exchange?
5/24/2017 12:07:35 AM EDT
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Interesting new technology.  I've been reading the papers over the last couple of days.  This one has some investors that may turn it into something -- what ETH should have been.  It's proof of stake, but it does look like they've already sold a bunch before they've opened it to the public.  

I have some concerns though, I'm going to be studying the code for a while.
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Did you read about accounts/tezzies that disappear if the account doesn't participate??  Did I read that right?
5/24/2017 12:18:25 AM EDT
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My god there has to be a lot of rich people somewhere who bought in at the beginning or even mined their way in with CPUs and GPUs. I wonder how much attrition there actually has been too, billions worth by now.
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There was a hedge fund manger that bought over a billion worth of bitcoin a few years back IIRC.
5/24/2017 12:24:42 AM EDT
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+1  Well said.

I just had a buddy cash out $3M+ in ETH over the past 24 hours.  The money is real and crypto is here to stay.  Either come to terms with it, or be left behind.  It's the circle of life, as with anything.
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CC is hear to stay. CC have matured and many have skins in CC. The biggest consumer for Bitcoin is China. With China unstable economy the safest place to put their money is bitcoin.
5/24/2017 12:37:49 AM EDT
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Interesting new technology.  I've been reading the papers over the last couple of days.  This one has some investors that may turn it into something -- what ETH should have been.  It's proof of stake, but it does look like they've already sold a bunch before they've opened it to the public.  

I have some concerns though, I'm going to be studying the code for a while.
Did you read about accounts/tezzies that disappear if the account doesn't participate??  Did I read that right?
That was in the initial proposal -- it's been removed.  Read the current whitepaper -- what they're trying to do is reduce the impact of identities that go dormant, because otherwise they will impact the speed of the network.  Now, all that's going to be done is non-participating accounts will be removed from being able to vote and "mine" (which isn't the right term exactly) until they become active again.
5/24/2017 8:11:53 AM EDT
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Hope I didn't get screwed with Coinbase. . .  I put in bank account info and made a buy on ETH at $117, ETH is supposed to be delivered to my account on Friday.  Got an email from CB last night saying problem with my payment method.  So I went back into CB and added another account, it seems to have worked.  
Question is--will they use the account I just added to complete my purchase at the original $117 price?  There is nothing to indicate that will happen.  My order still lists the old account as my payment method.

And I can't add a credit card due to whatever large scale error they are current having with CC verification.

ETA: The email they sent me said "The following information appears to be invalid:" Then there was a bullet point and a blank field.  Really helpful.

ETA 2: Weird. CB does not have my original account on file as a payment method and they sent me the error message email, yet they took the money out of the account today.
5/24/2017 9:28:15 AM EDT
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Hope I didn't get screwed with Coinbase. . .  I put in bank account info and made a buy on ETH at $117, ETH is supposed to be delivered to my account on Friday.  Got an email from CB last night saying problem with my payment method.  So I went back into CB and added another account, it seems to have worked.  
Question is--will they use the account I just added to complete my purchase at the original $117 price?  There is nothing to indicate that will happen.  My order still lists the old account as my payment method.

And I can't add a credit card due to whatever large scale error they are current having with CC verification.

ETA: The email they sent me said "The following information appears to be invalid:" Then there was a bullet point and a blank field.  Really helpful.

ETA 2: Weird. CB does not have my original account on file as a payment method and they sent me the error message email, yet they took the money out of the account today.
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That sucks. How much were you trying to buy?
5/24/2017 9:40:15 AM EDT
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
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Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
5/24/2017 9:56:18 AM EDT
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Thank you.  Just signed up.

How the hell do I use this?  I'm sorry, but I'm lost. How to I buy the coins I see on the exchange?
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Ok question for someone just getting into the game beyond owning a little ETH...

If I want to buy other currencies,  how do I do that?  What wallet do I select?  I'm looking at omniwallet and purchasing various digital currencies.  Thanks for any help.
Poloniex is the easiest way.  And you can speculate as you see fit. Not as secure as a wallet though.  

Cryptopia has a shitload of listings, but volume is low.
Thank you.  Just signed up.

How the hell do I use this?  I'm sorry, but I'm lost. How to I buy the coins I see on the exchange?
Bumping my previous post.  How do I get dollars in my account to buy coins?  Or how do I purchase bitcoin and move them over?  Can't figure it out.
5/24/2017 10:00:34 AM EDT
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Price of ETH was $117 at the time, I ponied up $120.
5/24/2017 10:20:36 AM EDT
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That sucks. How much were you trying to buy?
Price of ETH was $117 at the time, I ponied up $120.
At least there wasn't a few "0"s after that
5/24/2017 10:45:44 AM EDT
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That sucks. How much were you trying to buy?
Price of ETH was $117 at the time, I ponied up $120.
At least there wasn't a few "0"s after that
Lol, nope.  This is my first time trying anything like this, so I figured I'd just buy 1 ETH for fun/learning.  But Coinbase took the money out of the account, so I guess that's a good sign.
5/24/2017 11:00:01 AM EDT
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I'm hearing on Reddit and IRC that Coinbase is having issues with new account - specifically, CVV verification of when adding a new debit or credit card as a payment method.

If you're just getting into Bitcoin, I still recommend setting up a Coinbase account, but I also recommend setting up an account with Circle if you're having issues purchasing Bitcoin.
5/24/2017 11:10:16 AM EDT
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Bumping my previous post.  How do I get dollars in my account to buy coins?  Or how do I purchase bitcoin and move them over?  Can't figure it out.
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Ok question for someone just getting into the game beyond owning a little ETH...

If I want to buy other currencies,  how do I do that?  What wallet do I select?  I'm looking at omniwallet and purchasing various digital currencies.  Thanks for any help.
Poloniex is the easiest way.  And you can speculate as you see fit. Not as secure as a wallet though.  

Cryptopia has a shitload of listings, but volume is low.
Thank you.  Just signed up.

How the hell do I use this?  I'm sorry, but I'm lost. How to I buy the coins I see on the exchange?
Bumping my previous post.  How do I get dollars in my account to buy coins?  Or how do I purchase bitcoin and move them over?  Can't figure it out.
Poloniex is crypto to crypto only.

I would be nice if it actually said that it some obvious manor.
5/24/2017 11:10:19 AM EDT
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
5/24/2017 11:12:29 AM EDT
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That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
Maybe. Or they might get hacked again.
5/24/2017 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Poloniex is crypto to crypto only.

I would be nice if it actually said that it some obvious manor.
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Most multi-crypto exchanges are crypto only. Many have USD and other national currencies listed on the exchange, but they're just database entries and you can't deposit/withdraw them directly.

Your best entry points into this world are Coinbase or Circle if you want ease of use and government oversight and IRC (Freenode) or localbitcoins.com if you want privacy.
5/24/2017 11:13:10 AM EDT
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I'm hearing on Reddit and IRC that Coinbase is having issues with new account - specifically, CVV verification of when adding a new debit or credit card as a payment method.

If you're just getting into Bitcoin, I still recommend setting up a Coinbase account, but I also recommend setting up an account with Circle if you're having issues purchasing Bitcoin.
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Circle doesn't do BTC anymore. They got out of the game several months ago.
5/24/2017 11:43:19 AM EDT
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Most multi-crypto exchanges are crypto only. Many have USD and other national currencies listed on the exchange, but they're just database entries and you can't deposit/withdraw them directly.

Your best entry points into this world are Coinbase or Circle if you want ease of use and government oversight and IRC (Freenode) or localbitcoins.com if you want privacy.
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Poloniex is crypto to crypto only.

I would be nice if it actually said that it some obvious manor.
Most multi-crypto exchanges are crypto only. Many have USD and other national currencies listed on the exchange, but they're just database entries and you can't deposit/withdraw them directly.

Your best entry points into this world are Coinbase or Circle if you want ease of use and government oversight and IRC (Freenode) or localbitcoins.com if you want privacy.
Ok thanks. Can I move bitcoin I purchase on coinbase to an exchange so I can buy other stuff?

I want other currencies.
5/24/2017 11:48:49 AM EDT
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Circle doesn't do BTC anymore. They got out of the game several months ago.
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I'm hearing on Reddit and IRC that Coinbase is having issues with new account - specifically, CVV verification of when adding a new debit or credit card as a payment method.

If you're just getting into Bitcoin, I still recommend setting up a Coinbase account, but I also recommend setting up an account with Circle if you're having issues purchasing Bitcoin.
Circle doesn't do BTC anymore. They got out of the game several months ago.
I'll be damned.

5/24/2017 11:51:12 AM EDT
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Ok thanks. Can I move bitcoin I purchase on coinbase to an exchange so I can buy other stuff?

I want other currencies.
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Poloniex is crypto to crypto only.

I would be nice if it actually said that it some obvious manor.
Most multi-crypto exchanges are crypto only. Many have USD and other national currencies listed on the exchange, but they're just database entries and you can't deposit/withdraw them directly.

Your best entry points into this world are Coinbase or Circle if you want ease of use and government oversight and IRC (Freenode) or localbitcoins.com if you want privacy.
Ok thanks. Can I move bitcoin I purchase on coinbase to an exchange so I can buy other stuff?

I want other currencies.
Yep.

My advice: go slow. Transactions with Bitcoin and other cryptos are irreversible, so make damned sure you're doing what you want to do.

Note that Bitcoin purchased from Coinbase with a bank account take 7 days to hit your account. They "lock in" at the current price when you buy, but you can't move them off Coinbase for a week. With higher levels of verification you can buy instantly, but the fee is around 4% I think.

If you're wanting < $50 or so and are an established Arfcommer, PM me and I can probably hook you up.
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
Maybe. Or they might get hacked again.
well they've already demonstrated they can work around those pesky types of issues, though, so....
5/24/2017 12:40:28 PM EDT
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
Maybe. Or they might get hacked again.
well they've already demonstrated they can work around those pesky types of issues, though, so....
They violated the core principle of cryptocurrency with what they did.
5/24/2017 1:00:50 PM EDT
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I have seen where some people own several hundred of these things. Why not cash out ASAP? I remember all the bubbles the last 40 years......
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People told me to cash out of AAPL when it hit $100 (BEFORE the 7:1 split.... the equivalent of $14/share).
5/24/2017 2:07:47 PM EDT
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Here is the problem I see with Etherium.

There is no maximum. 60,102,216 ethers were created during the sale, plus 2x pools of 9.9% each. 26% of 60,102,216 will be created through mining every year. This means that 15,626,576 will be created every year on top of the 60m and the two pools.

After a while, 15,626,576 ether won't represent much of the total ether available, making the system dis-inflationary (i.e., inflation perpetually trending towards 0 but never reaching it).
Versus the max number of BTC is 21,000,000.  We're 3 years into etherium, so their should be a supply of ~120,000,000 ether right now - and that supply will continue adding over 15 million per year forever.
That might be a feature, depending on your perspective. Once adoption levels off, Etherium will be more stable in price than Bitcoin and other deflationary currencies.
Maybe. Or they might get hacked again.
well they've already demonstrated they can work around those pesky types of issues, though, so....
They violated the core principle of cryptocurrency with what they did.
"sneaky fucking russian"  i didnt trust him which is why i passed on the whole eth deal.  guess i should have done it anyways, could have been a millionaire many times over.  ill prob cash out 5 or so BTC's worth of this stash of NXT I got and put into the tezos.  its all play money anyways.
5/24/2017 3:13:46 PM EDT
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Jesus H Christ Coinbase is a fucking shit show.
5/24/2017 3:23:57 PM EDT
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Anyone buying litecoins? 
5/24/2017 3:34:15 PM EDT
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Not really, it's the middle child - lacks the market position of Bitcoin but also lacks the later refinements of newer coins. It got new life a little while back by successfully making an update, something that Bitcoin has struggled to do.
5/24/2017 3:44:35 PM EDT
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Not really, it's the middle child - lacks the market position of Bitcoin but also lacks the later refinements of newer coins. It got new life a little while back by successfully making an update, something that Bitcoin has struggled to do.
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Gotcha. I bought 500 worth when it was at 22 just incase. My buddy told me to buy ethereum when it was at 30 and I didn't. Now I'm kicking myself in the ass. 
5/24/2017 4:52:50 PM EDT
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Just a total guess here, but does this sound about right for BTC purchases?

80% speculation
15% illegal commerce and currency transfers
5% legal commerce
5/24/2017 5:16:09 PM EDT
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Just a total guess here, but does this sound about right for BTC purchases?

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No, I'd say the legal/illegal split is closer to 50/50.

Also, there are a lot of people overseas using Bitcoin to evade capital controls. This is particular popular in China.

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