[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 2nd Toyota Tundra Engine Recall Postponed Again Because Co. Incredibly Still Doesn’t Have Fix (Page 3 of 8)
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Quoted: 5th gen is best gen. Just rolled over 158k. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG_7322-3553247.jpg Quoted: Quoted: I recently could have bought a new 4Runner but that would have meant a 4 cylinder turbo, so I bought a very low mileage '22 with the ol' reliable 6 cylinder instead. Market prices on used 5th gen 4Runner indicate I am not alone. 5th gen is best gen. Just rolled over 158k. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG_7322-3553247.jpg  . I've had more issues with a few GRs than all the 2TRs that I've had combined. Not that it bothers me greatly, just noting.,Attached File Most out before but kept a few past 200k. This one is still with its decade long driver. |
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Quoted: Correct me if I'm not wrong but the 2.7Eco is actually the most reliable engine in the 150 line. Quoted: Quoted: The EcoNanos were developed with FEV. Another thing most peeps don't realize is outside consultancy is a thing. Some from recognizable names like Lotus and Porsche, and some like Mahle (who did much with the new Jeep Hurricane 4), BluE Nexus (basically a Toyota Hybrid consortium that Jeep used for new Cherokee ), Ricardo, AVL - mfgs in house peeps don't do it all. There's talent tiers tho, and that ps important. But the 2.7 EB are very good engines - especially 2GEN - despite the kvetching about turbos, wet belts, plastic oil pans, etc, Correct me if I'm not wrong but the 2.7Eco is actually the most reliable engine in the 150 line. |
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Quoted:  But the Tacos didn't get the V35A. So if trading - buying Grand Highlanders? Corollas? I'd expect those early Turbo Taco trades outs (few more than 2 years old ) to be GM, Ford, Nissan conquest sales. Ending up on those lots. Not back at Toyota - where the only other trucks have the same engine - or worse Tundra. Like when peeps tell us Dealers are awash with these shitty turbo Tacomas as an indication nobody want them. They forget there's actual industry measures and we don't need to rely on local visuals. Tacoma has hovered around 23 day inventory since the launch feeding frenzy and trickle in sub sized. It's been straight record quarters for Tacoma. Super odd to find that with Texas ownership collapsing. Ranger has been recent 100 days plus tho Colorado have been close to Taco. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1943_jpeg-3758130.JPG Not the pattern you'd expect with horrible troubles franchise guys wave you off from. A long time ago a Toyota tech told me he'd never own a Toyota "cos everyone mother fucking one of these that comes in is broke as fuck" Stopped paying much attention to franchise techs after that. Tho I make exceptions for AMD (Car Care Nut), Lloyd Koppas (one of Lexus first Corp guys) and Little Pony. But they've demonstrated serial good judgment. What is going on with the Chevy? |
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Quoted: What is going on with the Chevy? Quoted: Quoted: But the Tacos didn't get the V35A. So if trading - buying Grand Highlanders? Corollas? I'd expect those early Turbo Taco trades outs (few more than 2 years old ) to be GM, Ford, Nissan conquest sales. Ending up on those lots. Not back at Toyota - where the only other trucks have the same engine - or worse Tundra. Like when peeps tell us Dealers are awash with these shitty turbo Tacomas as an indication nobody want them. They forget there's actual industry measures and we don't need to rely on local visuals. Tacoma has hovered around 23 day inventory since the launch feeding frenzy and trickle in sub sized. It's been straight record quarters for Tacoma. Super odd to find that with Texas ownership collapsing. Ranger has been recent 100 days plus tho Colorado have been close to Taco. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1943_jpeg-3758130.JPG Not the pattern you'd expect with horrible troubles franchise guys wave you off from. A long time ago a Toyota tech told me he'd never own a Toyota "cos everyone mother fucking one of these that comes in is broke as fuck" Stopped paying much attention to franchise techs after that. Tho I make exceptions for AMD (Car Care Nut), Lloyd Koppas (one of Lexus first Corp guys) and Little Pony. But they've demonstrated serial good judgment. What is going on with the Chevy? What I highlighted? GM has been matching demand (8-10k each month) pretty well but they had a record March (12k) so inventory drew down. Near Tacoma's mid 20s days. No issues. Suburban and Silverado also did well in March. Unsure the impetus - havnt followed that closely. Q1 2026, Ranger is ahead of Q1 2025 but down from Q4 2025. Only moved 5k in April. Almost 2k off last April. |
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Quoted: They need to just go back to the air aspirated 4, 6 & 8 cylinder engines that work This…!! I Bought a Toyota in Dec of 23. My first Toyota ever after hearing of their legendary reliability. Dealer tried to get me in a ‘24 Tundra or a ‘24 Tacoma. Really liked the Tundra but when my wife drove it she thought it was too big looking over the hood. I ended up buying a low mileage ‘21 Tacoma with the naturally aspirated V-6. The dealer has called me 3 times now trying to buy that truck back. Saying we can get you in a new Tundra or Tacoma CHEAP… NOPE… Attached File |
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When being critical of Toyota's V35A engine I think it's worth taking a realistic look at the actual numbers. Based on published sales data Toyota has built around 950,000 V35A engines to date (Tundra, Sequoia, LX600, and GX550 combined). The total number of engine failures reported to NHTSA which they must do by law is 3,897. So the actual failure rate is 0.41%. While that is of course still too high, especially for Toyota, it's not anywhere near the catastrophic failure rates many youtubers are promoting to generate clicks. Anybody claiming that Toyota is lying or doesn't know what is happening should read the actual NHTSA summary report here They proved that debris of the size they discovered from insufficient block cleaning would cause the main bearing failures. It's also worth noting that part of the reason Toyota increased the recall amount was to collect non-failed engines to ensure their production controls were working. Based on this it makes sense that Toyota's increase of the recall amount isn't because they don't know what's wrong, but is because they are taking a conservative approach to make sure every single potential issue is caught. The last thing they want is to be seen as not proactively addressing customer issues, which is exactly what some other OEM's have done in the past. As for my anecdote, I have a 2022 Tundra that was affected by the recall. I drove it for 30k trouble free miles until the perfectly functioning engine was replaced under warranty, and have continued to keep driving it with no issues since. Which is the experience you would expect when looking at the actual failure rate. Even this low number shouldn't have happened, but Toyota is actually working to address it. |
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Quoted: Toyota trucks coming out of Japan. I'm a believer. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Oh, what a feeling... Toyota!' That was actual "truth in advertising", if such a thing ever existed. What's your reliable car brand pick? Toyota trucks coming out of Japan. I'm a believer. The TTV6 V35A trucks coming out of Tahara and Yoshiwara have the same issue. The 4Cyl turbo T24A trucks out of Tahara and Hamura (which is a Hino plant) are fine. Hilux haven't been assembled in Japan for 2 decades but trayside Kei utilities are. Trayside Vans like TownAce (which is really a Daihatsu Gran Max) were J production but now Malaysia with PT Astra. Imported back to Japan as is Hilux from Ban Pho Plant in Thailand |
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Quoted: This…!! I Bought a Toyota in Dec of 23. My first Toyota ever after hearing of their legendary reliability. Dealer tried to get me in a ‘24 Tundra or a ‘24 Tacoma. Really liked the Tundra but when my wife drove it she thought it was too big looking over the hood. I ended up buying a low mileage ‘21 Tacoma with the naturally aspirated V-6. The dealer has called me 3 times now trying to buy that truck back. Saying we can get you in a new Tundra or Tacoma CHEAP… NOPE… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43482/IMG_2802_jpeg-3758154.JPG Wise choice. |
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Quoted: Correct me if I'm not wrong but the 2.7Eco is actually the most reliable engine in the 150 line. Quoted: Quoted: The EcoNanos were developed with FEV. Another thing most peeps don't realize is outside consultancy is a thing. Some from recognizable names like Lotus and Porsche, and some like Mahle (who did much with the new Jeep Hurricane 4), BluE Nexus (basically a Toyota Hybrid consortium that Jeep used for new Cherokee ), Ricardo, AVL - mfgs in house peeps don't do it all. There's talent tiers tho, and that ps important. But the 2.7 EB are very good engines - especially 2GEN - despite the kvetching about turbos, wet belts, plastic oil pans, etc, Correct me if I'm not wrong but the 2.7Eco is actually the most reliable engine in the 150 line. They supposedly fixed the chronic issues with the 5.0 and 3.5, but the 2.7 has been very solid for its 11 year run. There was a range of bad build dates in 2016 and in 2021, but pretty good otherwise. It’s the only half ton turbo gas engine I’d really trust. |
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Quoted: 5th gen is best gen. Just rolled over 158k. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG_7322-3553247.jpg Quoted: Quoted: I recently could have bought a new 4Runner but that would have meant a 4 cylinder turbo, so I bought a very low mileage '22 with the ol' reliable 6 cylinder instead. Market prices on used 5th gen 4Runner indicate I am not alone. 5th gen is best gen. Just rolled over 158k. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG_7322-3553247.jpg As an owner of two 5thGens, we know their reliability. That, they have in spades. They're also gutless, thirsty, and require a pedal commander to accelerate at interstate speeds. I loved them nonetheless, but when it was time to buy a new one I went with the 6thGen. The T24A-FTS has been proving itself over the last 5-6 years. It doesn't have the heritage of the 1GR-FE, but from a performance standpoint the new 4banger is a clear winner. |
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Quoted: They supposedly fixed the chronic issues with the 5.0 and 3.5, but the 2.7 has been very solid for its 11 year run. There was a range of bad build dates in 2016 and in 2021, but pretty good otherwise. It’s the only half ton turbo gas engine I’d really trust. I’m casually shopping a replacement for my 3.5EB and want to go with the Coyote but the cylinder deactivation tech spooks me. I’m afraid the 2.7EB won’t be up to the towing tasks I have. It’s almost worth stepping into the 3/4 market just to get away from some of these designs. |
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Quoted: What's your reliable car brand pick? Quoted: Quoted: "Oh, what a feeling... Toyota!' That was actual "truth in advertising", if such a thing ever existed. What's your reliable car brand pick? I've owned multiple Rangers with the 2.3 or 2.5 and all have gone over 300,000 miles with regular maintenance. One 3.0 with around 250,000 before I sold it. I've had to change the clutch usually once per vehicle. Considering the mileage it would be normal maintenance. Now if they just made the new Ranger with a manual. |
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Quoted: I’m casually shopping a replacement for my 3.5EB and want to go with the Coyote but the cylinder deactivation tech spooks me. I’m afraid the 2.7EB won’t be up to the towing tasks I have. It’s almost worth stepping into the 3/4 market just to get away from some of these designs. Quoted: Quoted: They supposedly fixed the chronic issues with the 5.0 and 3.5, but the 2.7 has been very solid for its 11 year run. There was a range of bad build dates in 2016 and in 2021, but pretty good otherwise. It’s the only half ton turbo gas engine I’d really trust. I’m casually shopping a replacement for my 3.5EB and want to go with the Coyote but the cylinder deactivation tech spooks me. I’m afraid the 2.7EB won’t be up to the towing tasks I have. It’s almost worth stepping into the 3/4 market just to get away from some of these designs. 3/4 tons are generally a safer bet, but it’s a huge increase in total cost of ownership. Purchase price, fuel consumption, registration, and consumables are all generally a lot more expensive. I’d trust the 3.5 over the 5.0 these days. The cam phasers are supposedly fixed, but if not, they’re still a lot less scary than swapping a short block on a 5.0. |
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It’s true that manufacturing debris is grenading the engines, what they aren’t saying is the debris is “manufactured” internally through normal operation of the engine Toyota POOCHED the tundra and at the worst possible time in terms of competition. As a former Toyota loyalist, I don’t even look at their current offerings. Their older stuff is well made, but slow, thirsty, low tech and expensive. Not really compelling unless you need a dedicated off-road vehicle, otherwise there are much better choices. Tundra has replaced F150 as the official truck of Gatlinburg uncle-lovers, a lot 
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Quoted: Ford has been having CAM phaser and tensioner issues since 2004. 22 years and counting. Quoted: Quoted: Its unfortunate. They've really damaged their reputation with this engine. I like the Tundra and the F150 with the 3.5EcoBoost engine. The Tundra with their engine disaster and Ford with their cam phasers that apparently they still cant get straight 10 years later. I think I stick with my old Ford F250 Diesel which has never seen the inside of the shop or dealership since I drove it off the lot 20 years ago. Ford has been having CAM phaser and tensioner issues since 2004. 22 years and counting. Don't forget ejecting spark plugs. |
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Makes me wonder if dealers are telling customers about this prior to purchase? I was getting the oil and spark plugs changed on my 2021 that rolled 120k yesterday and saw them looking over a new Tundra with the new owners. I REALLY wanted to say something but kept my mouth shut. Paid $43K for my 2021 Tundra Limited 4x4 during covid times. Had a 2020 SR5 Tundra 4x4 that I bought used with 7k miles for $37k and traded it in on the 2021 (nice upgrade). The dealer gave me $39k for the 2020 so I was out of pocket $4k including sales tax. Those were the days! |
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That's the 3.4liter twin turbo debacle, I saw one of those in a new Tundra a few years ago and had a sensible chuckle. That being said, I sold my '04 Tundra 4.7 with 250k reliable miles on it. I've got an '06 about to be going up for sale with 225k on it and we've got a beater vehicle we fondly call "the battlewagon", its an '03 Seqouia (same drive lines as the Tundra's) with 330k on it. If they would make a 3/4 ton turbo diesel I'd be taking a hard look at it. I've had Dodge, Chevy, Ford and Toyota, the yota's have been more reliable than the others so far. |
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Quoted: Just think of all the extra fuel expended due EPA standards causing auto makers to make shit engines to meet the standards. Extra engines and parts having to be manufactured and transported for installation. Now see.. It's people like you with those questions that make Commies have to dig so many ditches. |
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Quoted: Been wanting a new truck and do love my old Toyota but god - how did they get this so wrong? https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2026/05/second-toyota-tundra-engine-recall-postponed-again-because-company-incredibly-still-doesnt-have-a-fix-after-4-years/ Toyota’s reputation for quality continues taking hits as the automaker has for the second time in four years forced owners of more than 125,000 late model Toyota Tundras and Lexus GX and LX SUVs to wait for a solution to the Toyota Tundra engine recall debacle. I wonder ... what years are covered? And which engine size? |
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Quoted: The problem is a manufacturing process issue, not the design of the engine. They left chips from machining in a lot of blocks and later they dislodge and eat the engine. Quoted: Quoted: Who would have thought increasing the stress in smaller engines to make them perform like larger ones would cause problems. The problem is a manufacturing process issue, not the design of the engine. They left chips from machining in a lot of blocks and later they dislodge and eat the engine. That's Toyota's BS excuse. They have had PLENTY of time to figure out assembly issues and engines are still failing. I think the bottom end has stability issues leading to bearings spinning. |
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Quoted: Makes me wonder if dealers are telling customers about this prior to purchase? Why would the dealer do that? Their job is to sell cars and truck, not shoot themselves in the foot. No car dealer is going to smear their own product, even if it is common knowledge. |
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Quoted: Won't meet emissions/mileage regs. Quoted: Quoted: They need to just go back to the air aspirated 4, 6 & 8 cylinder engines that work Won't meet emissions/mileage regs. I thought Trump "relaxed" CAFE standards? They really just need to go away completely. Another disappointment. |
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Quoted: Likely poured in Troy, Missouri. They use mountains of recycled beer and soda cans to make blocks. Quoted: Quoted: Who actually makes the block? They use mountains of recycled beer and soda cans to make blocks. Am I the only one who sorely misses cast iron engine block and heads? |
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Quoted: If my 02 WJ with the flawed 4.7 V8 went 309k before having a failure that ended its life (and rust ended the whole vehicle, but that's common up here), then any Toyota that can't beat that is pretty sad. Those were a better engine than their reputation indicates, they were just intolerant of deviation from the prescribed maintenance intervals. My uncle put close to 500,000 miles on his '02 4.7L Ram before he finally replaced it. |
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Quoted: I think so. Thats worth what you paid for it. But it is what I spec anymore, where I can. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The EcoNanos were developed with FEV. Another thing most peeps don't realize is outside consultancy is a thing. Some from recognizable names like Lotus and Porsche, and some like Mahle (who did much with the new Jeep Hurricane 4), BluE Nexus (basically a Toyota Hybrid consortium that Jeep used for new Cherokee ), Ricardo, AVL - mfgs in house peeps don't do it all. There's talent tiers tho, and that ps important. But the 2.7 EB are very good engines - especially 2GEN - despite the kvetching about turbos, wet belts, plastic oil pans, etc, Correct me if I'm not wrong but the 2.7Eco is actually the most reliable engine in the 150 line. I've read and been told the same thing, regarding the 2.7EB. I have the 5.0 and I often wish I had gotten the 3.5EB or even the 2.7EB, the latter would have likely suited my use case (range) better. The Gen13 F150's 5.0 had the VVT solenoid issue, which hit me around 60k, it was annoying AF, but didn't render the vehicle dead in the water. It didn't burn oil though. My trans gave me issues on the interstate one time, I reset it with Forscan and the problem never happened again. My Gen14's 5.0 and tranny is much improved. My 2003 4R had the 4.7l and it was bomb proof. I had a leaky valve cover, which I just ignored because it wasn't serious. It blew up a power steering pump, still drivable, but not fun getting it 60mi home. Sold it at 250k. I have a buddy with a mid or late 90's Toyota truck w/ the 4cyl and that thing will not die and is low maintenance. |
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Quoted: The 3.0 WAS terrible, Toyota also came out with the 3.4 right afterwards for the fix which turned out to be one of the best V-6 lt truck engines ever. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They need to just go back to the air aspirated 4, 6 & 8 cylinder engines that work Like the GRs that leak at the timing chain cover. I've out of pocket resealed two. Low incidence, but I've drawn the short straw twice - once below 30kmwhuch may have been contributory. It took them 3 years to fix the 1GR head gasket issues. 3VZ is notorious - so mud so Deerhurst claims every 3.0L V6 in the industry was avoided by buyers. 4GR - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0903_jpeg-3758059.JPG Took a bit to start piston exchanges. Then the 9 year warranty I mentioned. If you ask me it never got right. The V8s are mostly solid despite the valves springs, timing system and cam tower leaks on some. This is more a memory and expectational issue than other mfgs face. The 3.0 WAS terrible, Toyota also came out with the 3.4 right afterwards for the fix which turned out to be one of the best V-6 lt truck engines ever. LOL, you mean the same 3.4's that still had head gasket issues? Yes the 3.4 was better than the 3.0 as far as performance, but it was not without issues. |
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Recently hit the 350K-mile mark on my '97 FZJ80 with the Now, with that said, let me potentially stir the pot a bit... I really hope Toyota does figure out how to make a modern turbo truck motor that lives up to our expectations of what a Toyota truck engine should be reliability and longevity wise. The potential power and high-altitude performance sounds like a dream to me when I'm in my old Cruiser with my foot flat on the floor just trying to maintain the speed limit going up a mountain pass. Yeah, I know it's unlikely a modern turbo engine will ever be as reliable as my dinosaur motor is, but if they can get them close enough, I can see some upsides. |