[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 2 cycle oil mix (Page 2 of 6)
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. Apparently you can take a gallon of gas and either dump the whole bottle in or a quarter of the bottle it doesn't matter. I guess that what James is saying but I really don't know. I read the bottle and put in what it says to put in. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon Why do all that if some here are saying to just run whatever the bottle of oil makes? I have mixed a shit load of oil for different things and apparently I have been putting way to much thought into it. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon Why do all that if some here are saying to just run whatever the bottle of oil makes? I have mixed a shit load of oil for different things and apparently I have been putting way to much thought into it. Oil is cheaper by the gallon. Some people use more than a few gallons a year. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon Why do all that if some here are saying to just run whatever the bottle of oil makes? I have mixed a shit load of oil for different things and apparently I have been putting way to much thought into it. Now, I could be wrong but I'm assuming that with the universal types of oil........you mix at the stated mix rate........then THAT resulting mixture is safe to use over a broad range of manufacturer recommended ratios? ETA: For example, my STIHL oil results in a 40:1 ratio. I don't see why that couldn't be used in any air cooled 2 cycle engine because, at that ratio, STIHL oil is efffective. But, like I said, this has always just been an assumption of mine. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. You could also use that same oil in a 50:1 Stilh product if you can do the math. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. You could also use that same oil in a 50:1 Stilh product if you can do the math. No, math has nothing to do with it, (i.e., from what I always assumed). You mix at the ratio recommended on the bottle. Then, THAT resulting mixture can be used on air cooled 2 cycle engines. Regardless of what the manufacturer says in their manual. You go by the oil mix instructions on the bottle......well, that's what I always assumed. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. I know my local Stihl shop sells bulk in addition to the little bottles. No body mixed a 1/2 gallon of saw mix into a gas can at one time. Clearly they measure it out to the 50:1 recommended by Stihl. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon Why do all that if some here are saying to just run whatever the bottle of oil makes? I have mixed a shit load of oil for different things and apparently I have been putting way to much thought into it. Oil is cheaper by the gallon. Some people use more than a few gallons a year. I buy oil by the gallon but aren't some here suggesting one mix rate is good for everything? If that is the case why do we need all the different mix ratios? Just mix everything the same and run it no matter what the actual piece of equipment says. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. I know my local Stihl shop sells bulk in addition to the little bottles. No body mixed a 1/2 gallon of saw mix into a gas can at one time. Clearly they measure it out to the 50:1 recommended by Stihl. No, they mixed at the ratio on the bottle and that resulted in a 50:1 mixture.....then THAT mixture can be used in air cooled 2 cycle engines. The 50:1 ratio is what that oil needs to be effective in air cooled 2 cycle engines. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon Why do all that if some here are saying to just run whatever the bottle of oil makes? I have mixed a shit load of oil for different things and apparently I have been putting way to much thought into it. Oil is cheaper by the gallon. Some people use more than a few gallons a year. I buy oil by the gallon but aren't some here suggesting one mix rate is good for everything? If that is the case why do we need all the different mix ratios? Just mix everything the same and run it no matter what the actual piece of equipment says. Yes, now that has been my assumption. James says that is definitely so. It is the oil's ability that you go by to get the proper lubrication for air cooled 2 cycle engines. |
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Yeah... I have no fucking clue what is going on in this thread. I grew up on that notion that you mixed one part oil to 32 parts gasoline, regardless of the oil or one part oil to 50 parts gasoline if your application called for it. According to Stihl, we've all been doing it wrong?
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The mix ratio is oil specific, not unit specific. Mix it according to what's on the oil bottle. To be clear this is what I am talking about. Now if I buy a gallon of oil and I can mix it to whatever ratio I want why not run the same shit in everything if the ratio is "oil specific, not unit specific". Seems like it would still matter what the unit says. |
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The bottles marked mix with 1 gallon, 2.5 gallon etc. just make it easier for small motor owners. You could use the same oil and mix it to what ever ratio you wanted. Math is hard for some folks. Yeah, but the bottle doesn't tell you to do that. By that I mean, it gives a specific "recipe". So, when I fill a 1 gallon gas can, I just portion it out but use the same ratio. You get what I mean. gas/oil 16:1 one gallon 1/2 pint 16:1 six gallons 3 pints or 1.5 quarts 24:1 one gallon 5.5 ounces 24:1 six gallons one quart 50:1 six gallons one pint 50:1 twenty five gallons two quarts 50:1 fifty gallons one gallon 100:1 six gallons 1/2 pint 100:1 twenty five gallons one quart 100:1 fifty gallons 1/2 gallon I guess I'm not explaining what I mean properly. The ratio you get when mixing the 6.4 ounces of STIHL with 2.5 gallons of gasoline is what STILH recommends for their 2 cycle engines. Sure you could vary the mix rates and get a different ratio, BUT, STIHL doesn't recommend that for their engines. I know my local Stihl shop sells bulk in addition to the little bottles. No body mixed a 1/2 gallon of saw mix into a gas can at one time. Clearly they measure it out to the 50:1 recommended by Stihl. No, they mixed at the ratio on the bottle and that resulted in a 50:1 mixture.....then THAT mixture can be used in air cooled 2 cycle engines. The 50:1 ratio is what that oil needs to be effective in air cooled 2 cycle engines. My two cycle cultivator wants 32:1 and my old POS Poulan wanted 40:1 mix. All three air cooled two cycles. Not the same ratio. |
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Yeah... I have no fucking clue what is going on in this thread. I grew up on that notion that you mixed one part oil to 32 parts gasoline, regardless of the oil or one part oil to 50 parts gasoline if your application called for it. According to Stihl, we've all been doing it wrong? You know, I'm going to have to do more searching on this one. Maybe I have just been lucky that I mainly use STIHL oil in my STIHL engines. Because I honestly assumed we go by the ratio given on the bottles, than THAT resulting mixture is good to go on air cooled 2 cycle engines. |
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My two cycle cultivator wants 32:1 and my old POS Poulan wanted 40:1 mix. All three air cooled two cycles. Not the same ratio. My assumption has always been it doesn't matter........you go by the oil bottle dilution rates and it is good to use in a broad range of air cooled 2 cycle engines. But I gotta do more searching on this one. |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? They have different packets for 1 gallon, 2 gallon ect, It says how much gas to add on the packet.. most are 1 gallon mixes that I have seen. Once mixed the same fuel works in all the ratios. I have 3 different machines using 32:1, 40:1 and 50:1 requirement, I use the same fuel in all of them. Have been using it for nearly 10 years and not had any lubrication issues or fouled plug issues. |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? They have different packets for 1 gallon, 2 gallon ect, It says how much gas to add on the packet.. most are 1 gallon mixes that I have seen. Once mixed the same fuel works in all the ratios. I have 3 different machines using 32:1, 40:1 and 50:1 requirement, I use the same fuel in all of them. Have been using it for nearly 10 years and not had any lubrication issues or fouled plug issues. Thanks for the info........WHEW!! THAT oil packet mixing ratio is good over a broad range of manufacturer suggested ratios. And, I see no reason why my STIHL oil wouldn't do the same thing. |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? They have different packets for 1 gallon, 2 gallon ect, It says how much gas to add on the packet.. most are 1 gallon mixes that I have seen. Once mixed the same fuel works in all the ratios. I have 3 different machines using 32:1, 40:1 and 50:1 requirement, I use the same fuel in all of them. Have been using it for nearly 10 years and not had any lubrication issues or fouled plug issues. I just went into the shop and I have a couple of those packets and you are right they do say good in any 2 stroke engine. The problem is I have cases of gallon jugs of mix but some here say my ration doesn't depend on what the engine says it depends on what the oil says. I can make any ratio I want so whats a girl to do? |
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My two cycle cultivator wants 32:1 and my old POS Poulan wanted 40:1 mix. All three air cooled two cycles. Not the same ratio. My assumption has always been it doesn't matter........you go by the oil bottle dilution rates and it is good to use in a broad range of air cooled 2 cycle engines. But I gotta do more searching on this one. If you read a modern stihl manual, it also says to run 89 octane. My experience (when I forgot that) was the saw still ran fine on 87. It ran and cut fine, but not what the manufacturer recommended. I think universal "safe for all ratio" two cycle oil is the same thing. It runs, but isn't what anyone recommended. |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? They have different packets for 1 gallon, 2 gallon ect, It says how much gas to add on the packet.. most are 1 gallon mixes that I have seen. Once mixed the same fuel works in all the ratios. I have 3 different machines using 32:1, 40:1 and 50:1 requirement, I use the same fuel in all of them. Have been using it for nearly 10 years and not had any lubrication issues or fouled plug issues. I just went into the shop and I have a couple of those packets and you are right they do say good in any 2 stroke engine. The problem is I have cases of gallon jugs of mix but some here say my ration doesn't depend on what the engine says it depends on what the oil says. I can make any ratio I want so whats a girl to do? Well, the part in red indicates, you go by the oil dilution rate and use THAT resulting mixture in your air cooled 2 cycle engines. That really is what I always assumed. You gotta use the oil dilution rate so that that oil is effective in air cooled 2 cycle engines. |
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My two cycle cultivator wants 32:1 and my old POS Poulan wanted 40:1 mix. All three air cooled two cycles. Not the same ratio. My assumption has always been it doesn't matter........you go by the oil bottle dilution rates and it is good to use in a broad range of air cooled 2 cycle engines. But I gotta do more searching on this one. If you read a modern stihl manual, it also says to run 89 octane. My experience (when I forgot that) was the saw still ran fine on 87. It ran and cut fine, but not what the manufacturer recommended. I think universal "safe for all ratio" two cycle oil is the same thing. It runs, but isn't what anyone recommended. Right, I do use 89 octane. But, the oil bottle mixing instructions are what I am now pretty sure you go by to get the proper 2 cycle gasoline. Then THAT mixture can be used in your air cooled 2 cycle engines. |
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Well, I think the OP has stumbled upon another topic that Arfcom is retarded about. You guys do realize that the small bottles are pre-measured for a specific ratio for a given amount of gas (i.e., for a 32:1 ratio, the bottles are 4oz for a gallon of gas). Not only do we realize it.........we have gone beyond that to discuss what that really means. I am pretty sure now, as I always assumed, that for that specific oil you mention that, in order for IT to be effective it must be mixed at a 32:1 ratio. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. |
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I just lost my last post when I got my last cocktail...
I think that the jetting of most of our toys are not that crucial (except for the spot on jetted 125 MXer) :-) Run a good oil. Do you really know where stihl or ski doo really get their oil? Run a good oil....did I say run a good and a known oil?...:-) I have run the same mix of 32:1 in all my two strokes...they all run fine... My dirt bikes all run on 32:1. I do not trust 50:1 with "unknown brand named oil" especially during all day work... Yes I jet most of my two strokes... In my opinion..with a good oil, a single mix for all your two stokes, is better than what the manufacture says to use... |
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Well, I think the OP has stumbled upon another topic that Arfcom is retarded about. You guys do realize that the small bottles are pre-measured for a specific ratio for a given amount of gas (i.e., for a 32:1 ratio, the bottles are 4oz for a gallon of gas). Not only do we realize it.........we have gone beyond that to discuss what that really means. I am pretty sure now, as I always assumed, that for that specific oil you mention that, in order for IT to be effective it must be mixed at a 32:1 ratio. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. Umm, no. You can take that 4oz bottle of oil, use 2.6oz of it in a gallon of gas and have a 50:1 ratio mix that will run a machine designed for a 50:1 mix ratio. That's not to say there aren't cheaper quality oils that shouldn't be run in the thinner mixture machines, but for quality oils you can mix it at the machine's requirements without issue. |
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I think I am going to have to throw away all my stuff that has 2 stroke engines. You all just filled my mind with fuck Well before you do that. What mixture ratios are in your filled up gas cans? I just threw all my chainsaws, my weed trimmer, rototiller, my boat motors and my motorcycles in the lake in front of my house and threw the cans in a bonfire. Fuck it, I'm done 
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Well, I think the OP has stumbled upon another topic that Arfcom is retarded about. You guys do realize that the small bottles are pre-measured for a specific ratio for a given amount of gas (i.e., for a 32:1 ratio, the bottles are 4oz for a gallon of gas). Not only do we realize it.........we have gone beyond that to discuss what that really means. I am pretty sure now, as I always assumed, that for that specific oil you mention that, in order for IT to be effective it must be mixed at a 32:1 ratio. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. Umm, no. You can take that 4oz bottle of oil, use 2.6oz of it in a gallon of gas and have a 50:1 ratio mix that will run a machine designed for a 50:1 mix ratio. That's not to say there aren't cheaper quality oils that sholuldn't be run in the thinner mixture machines, but for quality oils you can mix it at the machine's requirements without issue. Well, of course you can do that, but you wouldn't be using the correct ratio recommended by the oil manufacturer and your resulting mixture would not be the proper dilution rate for your 2 cycle oil to be properly effective. You go by the oil dilution rates not the manufacturer's ratios. In other words, Just to be clear, the ratio is determined by the particular 2-cycle oil that you're using and not by the trimmer, whacker, etc., itself. So, you should refer to the instructions on the bottle. |
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I think I am going to have to throw away all my stuff that has 2 stroke engines. You all just filled my mind with fuck Well before you do that. What mixture ratios are in your filled up gas cans? I just threw all my chainsaws, my weed trimmer, my boat motors and my motorcycles in the lake in front of my house and threw the cans in a bonfire. Fuck it, I'm done 
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Fuck. If you go by the oil and not by the equipment you can never buy that kind of oil. Your head will explode |
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Well, I think the OP has stumbled upon another topic that Arfcom is retarded about. You guys do realize that the small bottles are pre-measured for a specific ratio for a given amount of gas (i.e., for a 32:1 ratio, the bottles are 4oz for a gallon of gas). Not only do we realize it.........we have gone beyond that to discuss what that really means. I am pretty sure now, as I always assumed, that for that specific oil you mention that, in order for IT to be effective it must be mixed at a 32:1 ratio. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. Umm, no. You can take that 4oz bottle of oil, use 2.6oz of it in a gallon of gas and have a 50:1 ratio mix that will run a machine designed for a 50:1 mix ratio. That's not to say there aren't cheaper quality oils that sholuldn't be run in the thinner mixture machines, but for quality oils you can mix it at the machine's requirements without issue. Well, of course you can do that, but you wouldn't be using the correct ratio recommended by the oil manufacturer and your resulting mixture would not be the proper dilution rate for your 2 cycle oil to be properly effective. You go by the oil dilution rates not the manufacturer's ratios. In other words, Just to be clear, the ratio is determined by the particular 2-cycle oil that you're using and not by the trimmer, whacker, etc., itself. So, you should refer to the instructions on the bottle.
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Fuck. If you go by the oil and not by the equipment you can never buy that kind of oil. Your head will explode Want more fun ?...this is great stuff that you cannot mix with dino left overs...:-) Ester Check this stuff out...it says to mix it 66:1 or 50:1...I run it a t 32:1...I can still see the hone marks through the exhaust port... |
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All these years I thought the machine that said 50:1 meant that, and the one that says 40:1 meant that. I had no clue to do what the oil guy said. And what about the oil that has multiple ratio listings???? Im ready to throw all my shit out too! Throw all your shit out and succumb to one ratio (with good oil)...:-) |
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I think on the stuff with multiple ratio listings you are supposed to mix a batch of everything listed, then combine all of those in a big drum. Next you stir it all together in a counter clockwise motion with the walking stick of a leprechaun. This mixture is good to use in everything. If you get the mixture wrong though you get herpes.
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I think on the stuff with multiple ratio listings you are supposed to mix a batch of everything listed, then combine all of those in a big drum. Next you stir it all together in a counter clockwise motion with the walking stick of a leprechaun. This mixture is good to use in everything. If you get the mixture wrong though you get herpes. Herpes if you go counter clockwise... |
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Quoted: I think on the stuff with multiple ratio listings you are supposed to mix a batch of everything listed, then combine all of those in a big drum. Next you stir it all together in a counter clockwise motion with the walking stick of a leprechaun. This mixture is good to use in everything. If you get the mixture wrong though you get herpes. If you toss a match in you don't get herpes. |
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I use the Opti-2 universal mix. Says it is safe for 100:1 to 16:1 mixtures. No more having different gas cans for the different mixtures. Northern tool sells it and several other places sell it. Ok, educate me here. I have never seen that stuff but doesn't it say how much gasoline to use with its packet? Then, THAT resulting mixture is safe to use for machines at 100:1 to 16:1? They have different packets for 1 gallon, 2 gallon ect, It says how much gas to add on the packet.. most are 1 gallon mixes that I have seen. Once mixed the same fuel works in all the ratios. I have 3 different machines using 32:1, 40:1 and 50:1 requirement, I use the same fuel in all of them. Have been using it for nearly 10 years and not had any lubrication issues or fouled plug issues. This is the answer that you seek. Some 20 years ago I was a full time arborist and we used the predecessor to Opti-2 (Optimal IIRC, at least that is what the mechanic called it) in everything that was 2-stroke. Our chainsaws were ran hard day after day and we found this to be the best. I still have my old Jonsered climbing saw, and with Opti-2 it started in about 5 pulls after sitting in the shed for at least 2 years. They claim that it has a fuel stabilizer in it and I can tell you that it works. It doesn't smoke as much as some of the other oils, either. I'll never use anything else. |
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Guys, I always just mix at what the oil bottle says. The stuff I have says 32:1, so that is what I mix at. ETA: I never knew it mattered what the mfg said. ETA again: Oops, I see James does the oil bottle recommendation.......WHEW!! ALL 2-cycle engines are created equal. Same clearances, same needle bearings, same skirt clearances, etc. Hell, most even share carburetors. These factors determine mix ratios. Now, since they are all the same, it boils down to the oil. Keep in mind, we are not talking liquid cooled motorsports application 2-cycles. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from James, but this is just flat out wrong. There are a nearly infinate number of differences from one two stroke engine to another. Things off the top of my head like piston coatings (hard/soft anodized, moly silk screen, etc) and surface roughness, cylinder plating and roughness, thrust pressure, piston material and manufacturing method (cast, forged), bearing crown, bearing material, connrod coatings and material, bearing cage material and coatings, compression ratio, rings (cast iron or steel rings and/or moly coatings) droplet size and coalescence. Not to mention more fundamental differences such as operational RPM, BMEP, BSFC, tuned exhaust or straight, piston port or reed valve, carb, efi, di, combustion temperature, piston profile and piston/bore clearance. 2-strokes are very complex, yet very simple at the same time. Simple in the fundamental way they operate, but very complex in understanding the nearly infinate number of variables that can drastically alter their performance. All these variables have a huge effect on the ideal oil blend for the engine. 2 stroke oils consist of a base stock, and then a large percentage of additives and detergents on top of that. As I said earlier, OEM's go through great pains to custom tailor their oil to their engines. They do this not only to make money on oil, but to increase performance and, most importantly, reduce warranty costs. Do not take this with a grain of salt and assume that "all 2-stroke engines are created equal." I would recommend benefiting from all this work that has already been done for you, and buying the precise oil that the engine manufacturer recommends. It's cheap insurance if nothing else. |
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When the oil bottle says "good in all engines" that means it's good IF mixed to the correct ratio as recommended
by the manufacturer of the implement. It doesn't mean you can run 100:1 ratio mixture, in a 24:1 2 stroke engine. That's just stupidity. This is 3rd grade math, not calculus and rocket science. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guys, I always just mix at what the oil bottle says. The stuff I have says 32:1, so that is what I mix at. ETA: I never knew it mattered what the mfg said. ETA again: Oops, I see James does the oil bottle recommendation.......WHEW!! ALL 2-cycle engines are created equal. Same clearances, same needle bearings, same skirt clearances, etc. Hell, most even share carburetors. These factors determine mix ratios. Now, since they are all the same, it boils down to the oil. Keep in mind, we are not talking liquid cooled motorsports application 2-cycles. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from James, but this is just flat out wrong. There are a nearly infinate number of differences from one two stroke engine to another. Things off the top of my head like piston coatings (hard/soft anodized, moly silk screen, etc) and surface roughness, cylinder plating and roughness, thrust load and pressure, piston material and manufacturing method (cast, forged), bearing crown, bearing material, connrod coatings and material, bearing cage material and coatings, compression ratio, rings (cast iron or steel rings and/or moly coatings) droplet size and coalescence. Not to mention more fundamental differences such as operational RPM, BMEP, BSFC, tuned exhaust or straight, piston port or reed valve, carb, efi, di, combustion temperature, piston profile and piston/bore clearance. 2-strokes are very complex, yet very simple at the same time. Simple in the fundamental way they operate, but very complex in understanding the nearly infinate number of variables that can drastically alter their performance. All these variables have a huge effect on the ideal oil blend for the engine. 2 stroke oils consist of a base stock, and then a large percentage of additives and detergents on top of that. As I said earlier, OEM's go through great pains to custom tailor their oil to their engines. They do this not only to make money on oil, but to increase performance and, most importantly, reduce warranty costs. Do not take this with a grain of salt and assume that "all 2-stroke engines are created equal." I would recommend benefiting from all this work that has already been done for you, and buying the precise oil that the engine manufacturer recommends. It's cheap insurance if nothing else. So we should run the recommended oil in the recommended ratio per the engine manufacturer's suggestions? What's your take on the Amsoil 100:1 stuff?
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