Posted: 11/7/2012 2:08:34 PM EDT
| What's the deal with a stage gun start? A buzzer goes off, you pick up a stage gun and fire whatever, then you put it down and then press another buzzer to finish the COF. So when does the time start? At the first buzzer or when the shooter presses the buzzer after finishing with the stage gun? If it doesn't start until the second buzzer after the stage gun is done with, then what's the point of shooting lightning fast with the stage gun then hitting the second buzzer quickly as I've seen some do? Anybody know what the deal is? |
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Originally Posted By DyNo541:
The time starts when the competitor hits the buzzer. All stage gun shooting is off the clock. -Cameron Thompson This is for the 3 Gun Nation show - it lets them do product placement without impacting competitive equity. In real 3-Gun matches, any stage gun is fired ON the clock. |
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In outlaw 3 gun matches that enjoy wasting our time they use prop guns on the clock after the buzzer starts the time.
3 gun nation realized that prop guns get used and abused and aren't maintained throught the match. Then When the guns malfunction you have to fix the gun and restart the stage. It is a bunch of time. Why would any Match Director use a prop gun you might ask? The world may never know. The way in which 3 gun nation came up with using prop guns to help sponsors get their guns on the show and not affect the results was awesome! Although it still did waste a lot of time. They started each stage with one of the shows sponsors prop guns. The RO gave the shooter a false beep on a handheld timer. The shooter then got to shoot the prop gun leisurely and actually enjoy the gun and didn't have to throw it down when finished. It was pretty fun watching those characters mess around when shooting them. Once finished with the prop gun the shooter readied himself and hit the start button on the table which activated the time for the stage. In case you hadn't noticed I hate prop guns! They should be used at side matches where u can shoot them for a small donation to a charity or something like that. I don't enjoy having my match results hinged on a gun that I don't trust or have experience with. Side matches in the other hand are great for that. You get to familiarize yourself with the gun, shoot it, and ask question to a factory rep typically. |
| I appreciate the responses. I just couldn't figure it out since watching the show, some would shoot the prop gun and then hit that second buzzer as fast as they could while others would take their time with the prop gun and hit second buzzer when they got good and ready. |
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I was doing some thinking about "stage guns" the other day. I did some pro/con analysis:
PRO: Many shooters, particularly not the "other than tier-1" shooters (you know, chumps like me), enjoy them, particularly if the stage gun is something exotic. Sponsors like to get shooters' hands on product, and nothing is better than live fire. CON: Stage guns and their effectiveness aren't under the control of the shooter. This is a big one. Nobody wants to lose match points because someone else's gun didn't work. Stage gun malfunctions cause reshoots, and reshoots are the devil. This has been pretty well taken care of by having the stage gun used at the beginning of a stage. I may have a possible solution for MD's and/or sponsors that want to use a stage gun in a match. Set up your stage gun at the start of a stage as fully optional, on unscored target/targets. If a shooter hits the target, or knocks over 4/5 or whatever you decide that "stage gun success" should be, than that shooter is entered in a drawing for a prize, either the stage gun, or something the sponsor donates, or whatever. This makes the stage gun an option, fully up to the shooter. The top shooters (and aspiring top shooters) aren't going to take the time, they can just go shoot the stage. The mere mortals can decide to take a few seconds (a few seconds mean a lot less to us mere mortals, trust me), shoot a gun they would otherwise never get to play with, and maybe win something. It seems like a win-win. |
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
I was doing some thinking about "stage guns" the other day. I did some pro/con analysis: PRO: Many shooters, particularly not the "other than tier-1" shooters (you know, chumps like me), enjoy them, particularly if the stage gun is something exotic. Sponsors like to get shooters' hands on product, and nothing is better than live fire. CON: Stage guns and their effectiveness aren't under the control of the shooter. This is a big one. Nobody wants to lose match points because someone else's gun didn't work. Stage gun malfunctions cause reshoots, and reshoots are the devil. This has been pretty well taken care of by having the stage gun used at the beginning of a stage. I may have a possible solution for MD's and/or sponsors that want to use a stage gun in a match. Set up your stage gun at the start of a stage as fully optional, on unscored target/targets. If a shooter hits the target, or knocks over 4/5 or whatever you decide that "stage gun success" should be, than that shooter is entered in a drawing for a prize, either the stage gun, or something the sponsor donates, or whatever. This makes the stage gun an option, fully up to the shooter. The top shooters (and aspiring top shooters) aren't going to take the time, they can just go shoot the stage. The mere mortals can decide to take a few seconds (a few seconds mean a lot less to us mere mortals, trust me), shoot a gun they would otherwise never get to play with, and maybe win something. It seems like a win-win. Your idea had some merit but it still sliws down the match. Have you really ever got a good feeling for a gun that you were given 5 minutes at most to fondle then were told now go shoot your 10 rounds as fast as can and get the heck outta here? I usually leave a prop gun stage feeling like the prop gun is a POS. Sometimes they aren't lubed so they feel rough. The stock doesn't fit me correctly. The scope was haphazardly tossed on the gun so its not in my eye relief zone or its crooked. A side match/shoot like they did at FNH this year was awesome! Interested in the new FN over and under? Here it is. Now go shoot a few stands on clays with it. Brilliant! I gotta admit that Larry Houck is a pretty sharp SOB despite how he looks and shoots. At the ProAm Remington had their new Versa Max and R1 1911 setup where you could go pay $5 that webt to charity and get free ammo and shoot as many tones as your wallet would allow. Then they have the guns away! Brilliant!!! |
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The few stages I've shot with stage guns have all had this in common: 1) reliable gun, ie full size S&W revolver, Glock, Rem 870, AK47 2) very rounds - usually 3 to 6 rounds 3) the targets are "hoser" targets |
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Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
The few stages I've shot with stage guns have all had this in common: 1) reliable gun, ie full size S&W revolver, Glock, Rem 870, AK47 2) very rounds - usually 3 to 6 rounds 3) the targets are "hoser" targets What is the point of shooting prop guns that everyone already owns or is familiar with? |
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Originally Posted By JesseTischauser: Originally Posted By Ironmaker: The few stages I've shot with stage guns have all had this in common: 1) reliable gun, ie full size S&W revolver, Glock, Rem 870, AK47 2) very rounds - usually 3 to 6 rounds 3) the targets are "hoser" targets What is the point of shooting prop guns that everyone already owns or is familiar with? You might be surprised how many people aren't familiar with common guns. Out of the examples I gave, I only own an 870, but I have shot all of the listed guns at one point or another. One of the ideas behind using common guns is if you need to pick a strange gun and use it, it would probably be a common gun. Also, the matches I shoot don't have sponsers, so the RSO's "donate" their guns to the stage. They are often not expensive guns. I am working up a stage where the final six rounds will be out of my old Ruger Securty Six. |
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I like stage guns, and I include them in my matches fairly often. I try to make them the very first shots so if something goes wrong you aren't
re-shooting the entire stage. I've used a bolt-action .50 rifle, a full-auto water-cooled 1917, a full-auto STen, a revolver, etc. I include the prop gun as part of the background scenario story of the stage, something else I enjoy doing, and everybody loves it. Of course, I'm talking about a small local match with 25-30 shooters and not a major three-day match with a few hundred shooters. It's part of what makes three-gun fun at the small level, and at the local level its all about fun and not so serious. I wouldn't do it at a major match. |