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Posted: 7/15/2023 12:10:41 AM EDT
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Everywhere I look, locally and online, I'm only seeing keypad options for safes, no dial locks. Anyone experience the same or can shed some light on the matter? For Liberty safes, have to go up to the Colonial offering before it's an option. No offerings on Rhino safes or Kodiak safes. Anyone else know who offers a mechanical/dial lock? ETA: appears on higher end offerings it can be added as a feature, but mechanical/dial is not the standard and I don't see any local stores selling them |
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I would imagine that most people are casual users and want the ease of opening a keypad safe, plus likely cheaper. Most safes today seem designed to protect from a smash and grab or house fire. |
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A well built mechanical lock safe will last pretty much forever. The company only sells you one safe. Electronic keypad will fail after a few years. The company sells you a new safe every few years. Same thing as with user-replaceable batteries in cell phones and laptops. |
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Originally Posted By MemeWarfare: My biometric/keypad can be opened in the dark in 3 seconds. Speed of access is more important. I've never thought I needed to get in my big safe that quickly. Handgun vault, sure. |
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There are more poor people than not poor people. Poor people make bad financial decisions upon which not poor people can make money, such as equipping safes with a cheaper electronic push button lock mechanism. Poor people value immediate gratification over delayed gratification, hence the popularity of push button keypads over longer lasting but slower to open dials that required multiple rotations. |
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Originally Posted By eracer: I've never thought I needed to get in my big safe that quickly. Handgun vault, sure. Originally Posted By eracer: Originally Posted By MemeWarfare: My biometric/keypad can be opened in the dark in 3 seconds. Speed of access is more important. I've never thought I needed to get in my big safe that quickly. Handgun vault, sure. If a rifle is available it’s almost always the better option. |
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Originally Posted By Actiondiver: There are more poor people than not poor people. Poor people make bad financial decisions upon which not poor people can make money, such as equipping safes with a cheaper electronic push button lock mechanism. Poor people value immediate gratification over delayed gratification, hence the popularity of push button keypads over longer lasting but slower to open dials that required multiple rotations. I have one safe with S&G dial and one with S&G Electronic . . . am I poor or not? |
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Originally Posted By GraboidHunter: Electronic keypad will fail after a few years. The company sells you a new safe every few years. Don't tell my 25 yo Liberty safe with the electronic lock that...... |
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Originally Posted By Wolfpack: Don't tell my 25 yo Liberty safe with the electronic lock that...... Hell I have a 15+ year old Stack On 16 gun safe-resembling box with an electronic lock that still works (batteries corroded and I had to replace the battery container but that’s not the lock’s fault) |
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Originally Posted By MemeWarfare: If a rifle is available it’s almost always the better option. Originally Posted By MemeWarfare: Originally Posted By eracer: Originally Posted By MemeWarfare: My biometric/keypad can be opened in the dark in 3 seconds. Speed of access is more important. I've never thought I needed to get in my big safe that quickly. Handgun vault, sure. If a rifle is available it’s almost always the better option. That's what the AR Gunlocker is for. And you can key all the Hornady RapidSafes to the same tags, so you can open the pistol safe on the bedside table, and/or the AR Gunlocker under the bed, with the same RFID tag or bracelet. As with the other poster, I don't know why I'd want to run to another room to quickly open the big safe. |
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An Amsec ESL10 costs more than any standard S&G mechanical lock… I’ve had digital locks on two safes(both amsec ESL locks) in my house for over 12 years. The small safe in my bedroom came from the factory with it. I open at least once per day. The larger vault came with a mechanical and was changed to an ESL lock after about 6 months. Its downstairs and probably opened 3 times a week. Zero problems with either. Changed the batteries on the big safe once, the small safe twice. I have the original S&G mechanical from the large vault sitting on a shelf in my garage. Never once considered reinstalling it. |
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The S&G electronic lock on my 15 year old Fort Knox shit the bed last fall. Motor mechanism inside the safe became jammed. Called Ft Knox, and they sent out a local locksmith to fix it. While on the phone with them I asked if a mechanical dial lock could be installed. They told me sure, no problem. Took the locksmith over an hour of entering my code over and over with a special controller while beating on the door with a dead blow hammer. They were about to give up and drill the safe right before it finally opened. Now I have a dial lock and sleep much better. FWIW I only open the safe 1-2 times a week. My HD firearm(s) are kept elsewhere. At zero dark thirty, there's just no way I'm jumping up and getting into a safe quickly - even with a keypad. Ft. Knox has a phenomenal warranty and customer service. When they say lifetime, they mean it. |
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I wanted a dial for my AMSEC vault door. To be able to open form the inside (storm shelter/panic room), which I wanted you had to use electronic. I will say the electronic is much easier to open. Can to it in the dark (keypad lights up etc). Only had it for 9 months now, but works great..... Overall happy. |
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While digital lock is easier and quicker No hidden back door to give to feds even if you change code Have 2 safes including a Ft Knox from late 90s with dial and it's still smooth as the day it was made. IMO electronic/fingerprint for quick access for HD For anything of real value, dial |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Pretty sure digital locks are also cheaper to manufacture. This. Whiz-bang flashy, easy to use electronic lock are probably the better sellers. They certainly are convenient. I have a 25 year old dial lock that is smooth as silk. |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1: That's what the AR Gunlocker is for. And you can key all the Hornady RapidSafes to the same tags, so you can open the pistol safe on the bedside table, and/or the AR Gunlocker under the bed, with the same RFID tag or bracelet. As with the other poster, I don't know why I'd want to run to another room to quickly open the big safe. Good strategy. Make only the necessary firearms readily available, and keep others in a harder to reach location. There's recreational and collector's items I am in no hurry to pull from a safe. |
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