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Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
You wouldnt happen to have a good source for the T spacers would you....? Your Google-Fu is weak, Hawkeye!! http://www.copquest.com/23-2450.htm Eh, I was running out the door at work and didnt have time to go looking...... so its not that it's weak, just kinda non existant at that moment... Thanks for the link though. I should have known they'd have them. |
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Noob question . . . .
It looks llke most of these war belts you just snap on over your clothes and you don't thread them through belt loops. Do they shift when you're moving or lift up when you're drawing a mag out of the pouches? Or do you tighten these so tight my previously mentioned concerns aren't an issue? |
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Originally Posted By Halfbreed_83:
Noob question . . . . It looks llke most of these war belts you just snap on over your clothes and you don't thread them through belt loops. Do they shift when you're moving or lift up when you're drawing a mag out of the pouches? Or do you tighten these so tight my previously mentioned concerns aren't an issue? If it shifts when you're drawing a mag, then it's too loose. Tight enough it doesn't bounce around, loose enough that it doesn't hurt. It also depends on how you prefer it, whether you're wearing armor, chest rig / LBV, suspenders, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Halfbreed_83:
Noob question . . . . It looks llke most of these war belts you just snap on over your clothes and you don't thread them through belt loops. Do they shift when you're moving or lift up when you're drawing a mag out of the pouches? Or do you tighten these so tight my previously mentioned concerns aren't an issue? depends on your load out and body type. but if you snug it down, and have it loaded right it <shouldn't> move |
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Awesome, thanks for the replies!!
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Originally Posted By Halfbreed_83:
Noob question . . . . It looks llke most of these war belts you just snap on over your clothes and you don't thread them through belt loops. Do they shift when you're moving or lift up when you're drawing a mag out of the pouches? Or do you tighten these so tight my previously mentioned concerns aren't an issue? I'm a skinny and have a thin (32") waist. I have no problems static shooting, but the belt rides up when doing a lot of moving. I solved this by wrapping velcro keepers around the war belt and my inner belt in three separate places. Now I have no problems running, climbing over walls, crawling through tunnels, etc. |
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fisterkev.......what inner belt you running? also what is the width?
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Originally Posted By survivorman:
fisterkev.......what inner belt you running? also what is the width? It's the ATS belt insert made for the ATS warbelt. It's got velcro running the length of the belt that mates solidly with the warbelt's velcro. It's a 2" belt; note that it is not really suitable as a stand-alone belt, as it is thin and will not support loads well independent of the warbelt. It was designed for use with a warbelt. |
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Originally Posted By fisterkev:
It's the ATS belt insert made for the ATS warbelt. It's got velcro running the length of the belt that mates solidly with the warbelt's velcro. It's a 2" belt; note that it is not really suitable as a stand-alone belt, as it is thin and will not support loads well independent of the warbelt. It was designed for use with a warbelt. This is very accurate. I returned an Eagle, a Tactical Tailor, and an ATS belt because of lack of stiffness and how some of them had overlapping straps and buckles on the front. As much as I hate to buy/recommend anything from them ... the BLACKHAWK! Enhanced Military Web Belt is the best solution I have found for an inner belt, when you factor in cost and stiffness. |
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does it have velcro on the inside to attach to most these war belts....and what is width?
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I'll second the BH enhanced web belt. I have been using one for years and it is the best belt to run with a padded belt in my opinion. The width is standard 2.25" and they come with fuzzy side velcro on the inside of the belt.
There very rigid and easy and quick to adjust. and the new style buckle stays secure.... I run mine with a ICE pad and for the price, it's one of the better pieces of gear BH produces. Can't understand why anyone would run any other kind of belt, especially the riggers type belts which are harder to put on. |
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Don't get me wrong - the ATS inner belt is perfect with the ATS warbelt, as no stiffness is required: the velcro mating up will carry virtually any load you'd want to carry on a warbelt. It is simply insufficient for a stand alone belt. But perfect for a warbelt.
Overseas I used a belt very similar to the BH belt mentioned (bought in PX, forgot maker). Such belts are really the best for stand alone use, but in a warbelt I don't think the stiffness is really necessary. The only load they're supporting in a warbelt is your holster / sidearm and any drop-leg or subload you might be carrying, anything attached to the warbelt is supported by the warbelt, and not the inner belt. |
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Originally Posted By fisterkev:
Don't get me wrong - the ATS inner belt is perfect with the ATS warbelt, as no stiffness is required ... Overseas I used a belt very similar to the BH belt mentioned (bought in PX, forgot maker). Such belts are really the best for stand alone use, but in a warbelt I don't think the stiffness is really necessary. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I find that a sloppy belt reduces the stability of my belt-drop holster, and makes draws less positive. As well, I prefer the stiffness of the heavier belt, just as I preferred it when I previously ran a CR Speed IPSC belt as my 1st Line when I was in Group. To me, there is no advantage to having a belt with little stiffness, and only disadvantages. YMMV. |
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My holster is actually fairly similar to yours in design, I think, and I've got no slop at all with the ATS belts. The velcro keeps it solidly stuck to the warbelt, so it is as stiff as the warbelt itself. I've noticed absolutely no problems drawing, it actually seems really smooth and stable on my setup.
I can see where there might be a problem if you've got a sloppy belt without the velcro, like a typical riggers belt that doesn't mate velcro with the warbelt. But with the ATS system they were designed to be used together, and I haven't experienced that problem. |
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Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred: Originally Posted By fisterkev: Don't get me wrong - the ATS inner belt is perfect with the ATS warbelt, as no stiffness is required ... Overseas I used a belt very similar to the BH belt mentioned (bought in PX, forgot maker). Such belts are really the best for stand alone use, but in a warbelt I don't think the stiffness is really necessary. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I find that a sloppy belt reduces the stability of my belt-drop holster, and makes draws less positive. As well, I prefer the stiffness of the heavier belt, just as I preferred it when I previously ran a CR Speed IPSC belt as my 1st Line when I was in Group. To me, there is no advantage to having a belt with little stiffness, and only disadvantages. YMMV. FWIW, when I ordered my ATS war belt, the lady taking my order - after our lengthy discussion - told me not to buy their inner belt; it wouldn't be stiff enough. |
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Sorry guys but I have another noob question . . . .
Do war belts, the ones with the molle webbing, get in the way of your second line gear? Maybe I'm just over thinking it but it would seem that a vest and a war belt would take up quite a bit of space (I'm 5 foot 8 inches). This will be my first time buying this stuff for a SHTF scenario and I want to avoid a lot of trial and error. Thanks! |
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if you wear it on your hips where it goes, and you don't buy a plate carrier that is two sizes to big for you, no.
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Originally Posted By Halfbreed_83:
Sorry guys but I have another noob question . . . . Do war belts, the ones with the molle webbing, get in the way of your second line gear? Maybe I'm just over thinking it but it would seem that a vest and a war belt would take up quite a bit of space (I'm 5 foot 8 inches). This will be my first time buying this stuff for a SHTF scenario and I want to avoid a lot of trial and error. Thanks! Don't have a 1st line/war belt but your body armor/fighting load (second line) should be snug to your body. This allows greater freedom of movement and should cover all your important parts. Its also why I believe Shakennotstirred has his FASTMags upside down. I saw that and kind of raised an eyebrow but it makes sense. Definately something to consider when you're piecing this whole hting together. I imagine it takes some playing with to get used to |
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Originally Posted By Backstop:
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:
Originally Posted By fisterkev:
Don't get me wrong - the ATS inner belt is perfect with the ATS warbelt, as no stiffness is required ... Overseas I used a belt very similar to the BH belt mentioned (bought in PX, forgot maker). Such belts are really the best for stand alone use, but in a warbelt I don't think the stiffness is really necessary. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I find that a sloppy belt reduces the stability of my belt-drop holster, and makes draws less positive. As well, I prefer the stiffness of the heavier belt, just as I preferred it when I previously ran a CR Speed IPSC belt as my 1st Line when I was in Group. To me, there is no advantage to having a belt with little stiffness, and only disadvantages. YMMV. FWIW, when I ordered my ATS war belt, the lady taking my order - after our lengthy discussion - told me not to buy their inner belt; it wouldn't be stiff enough. Well, that certainly is odd, because mine with the velcro mating seems to have plenty of support for everything I'm running. Odd that they would tell you not to buy their own products, too, after they had designed them to work together.... No offense, but I must question this. I think if you try and use the inner belt with another warbelt that does not have the velcro to mate with then it might be a problem. Or if you use the ATS warbelt with an inner belt that does not mate by velcro then you might have a problem. But using the two together? They were designed to work together, and in conjunction are absolutely no less stiff than any other warbelt with integral belt. It is as stiff with as much support as the warbelt itself, which certainly has more support than most stand alone belts. |
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Originally Posted By fisterkev: Originally Posted By Backstop: Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred: Originally Posted By fisterkev: Don't get me wrong - the ATS inner belt is perfect with the ATS warbelt, as no stiffness is required ... Overseas I used a belt very similar to the BH belt mentioned (bought in PX, forgot maker). Such belts are really the best for stand alone use, but in a warbelt I don't think the stiffness is really necessary. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I find that a sloppy belt reduces the stability of my belt-drop holster, and makes draws less positive. As well, I prefer the stiffness of the heavier belt, just as I preferred it when I previously ran a CR Speed IPSC belt as my 1st Line when I was in Group. To me, there is no advantage to having a belt with little stiffness, and only disadvantages. YMMV. FWIW, when I ordered my ATS war belt, the lady taking my order - after our lengthy discussion - told me not to buy their inner belt; it wouldn't be stiff enough. Well, that certainly is odd, because mine with the velcro mating seems to have plenty of support for everything I'm running. Odd that they would tell you not to buy their own products, too, after they had designed them to work together.... No offense, but I must question this. I think if you try and use the inner belt with another warbelt that does not have the velcro to mate with then it might be a problem. Or if you use the ATS warbelt with an inner belt that does not mate by velcro then you might have a problem. But using the two together? They were designed to work together, and in conjunction are absolutely no less stiff than any other warbelt with integral belt. It is as stiff with as much support as the warbelt itself, which certainly has more support than most stand alone belts. I really can't think of anything to post in response to your post - specifically the part in red - that wouldn't get me banned. Aside from: I don't give a flying fuck what you think - or question. |
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I hope this thread gets tacked and moreover I hope we can stay on the topic. There is a lot of good information contained and I for one am very interested in purchasing some type of belt to utilize at the range. Lets keep the finger pointing to a minimum and stay on track.
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Lets have everyone stay on topic please.
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Emdom and OPT each sell 'loose' velcro. If I get a MOLLE warbelt, I will use a standard duty belt. I may end up having to buy additional velcro and mount it to the belt myself to ensure having the propper fit. They list the velcro as having a very strong glue, and if it starts to peel I can always superglue it back, I suppose.
This seems like a really low cost solution to me. I was also recommended against using a 'standard' inner belt due to the items I wanted to mount to it under the warbelt. I don't know what conversation Backstop had with the rep he talked to, but I suspect it was along a similar vein and Backstop told her his needs. I admire a company who tells you that their product may not be the one you want. |
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For whatever its worth, I have and do run ATS inner belts with my ATS Molle outer belt, and have never had any issues with it. I really like it.
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Originally Posted By chromeluv:
WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THE G-CODE SOC for a M1911 with Light!?!?!?
Eagle Belt Pad Jones Tactical Cobra Belt Tactical Kydex Pouches CSM Dump Ouch G-Code SOC for a 1911 w/light mounted in a UDHP: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9094/dsc07767large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6351/dsc07769large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4619/dsc07768large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6982/dsc07770large.jpg I've been looking for one of those suckers for over a YEAR now, and still can't find one!!! |
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Nice solution thanks for the tip.
That kinda ticks me off I ordered that sheath in tan thinking it would be coyote, but it's obviously tan. I wish these gear makers would get their descriptions right. After seeing yours I didn't really think they made them in coyote. |
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I seem to remember when I ordered the sheath in 2006 or 07, I had the option for Coyote Brown and Coyote Tan. After checking out their website again, it seems they do not offer Coyote Tan anymore. Maybe CT became their new CB, who knows. But I agree, there is be a standard color pattern from manufacturers.
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Originally Posted By PsychoticForrest:
I seem to remember when I ordered the sheath in 2006 or 07, I had the option for Coyote Brown and Coyote Tan. After checking out their website again, it seems they do not offer Coyote Tan anymore. Maybe CT became their new CB, who knows. But I agree, there is be a standard color pattern from manufacturers. It's cool I guess. I'll just hit it with some krylon, or maybe try and dye it like everyone is doing with their other desert colored gear. |
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Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood:
Originally Posted By chromeluv:
WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THE G-CODE SOC for a M1911 with Light!?!?!?
Eagle Belt Pad Jones Tactical Cobra Belt Tactical Kydex Pouches CSM Dump Ouch G-Code SOC for a 1911 w/light mounted in a UDHP: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9094/dsc07767large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6351/dsc07769large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4619/dsc07768large.jpg http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6982/dsc07770large.jpg I've been looking for one of those suckers for over a YEAR now, and still can't find one!!! I looked for 3 years.....one finally popped on the EE.. |
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Originally Posted By Horseman:
Originally Posted By topgunpilot20:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg ATS War Belt - $40 Gould & Goodrich duty belt - Free (had is lying around) Diamondback Tactical quad pistol mag pouch - $31 2 Diamondback Tactical short AR mag shingles - $16 each Safariland 6377 ALS holster using the Universal Belt Loop - $25 Maxpedition RollyPoly - $25 How come you're running your AR mags back/right side? Obviously, that's comfortable for you, but I'm wondering about taking the strong/control hand off the rifle during a mag change. Maybe he is left handed... ya i know the pistol is on the right side but if he is like me i shoot long arms left and pistols right, to me it makes sense |
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Originally Posted By flyingjibus:
Raven Concealment AK Mag sheath http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/flyingjibus/belt.jpg That AK mag sheath... Have you tried moving with that thing? How secure is it? Have you tried going prone / rolling with it? Doesn't it edge into your side fierce? |
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Originally Posted By egress81:
Originally Posted By Horseman:
Originally Posted By topgunpilot20:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg ATS War Belt - $40 Gould & Goodrich duty belt - Free (had is lying around) Diamondback Tactical quad pistol mag pouch - $31 2 Diamondback Tactical short AR mag shingles - $16 each Safariland 6377 ALS holster using the Universal Belt Loop - $25 Maxpedition RollyPoly - $25 How come you're running your AR mags back/right side? Obviously, that's comfortable for you, but I'm wondering about taking the strong/control hand off the rifle during a mag change. Maybe he is left handed... ya i know the pistol is on the right side but if he is like me i shoot long arms left and pistols right, to me it makes sense That is correct. I'm right handed but left eye dominant. I shoot pistols right handed and rifles left handed. |
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Originally Posted By fisterkev:
Originally Posted By flyingjibus:
Raven Concealment AK Mag sheath http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/flyingjibus/belt.jpg That AK mag sheath... Have you tried moving with that thing? How secure is it? Have you tried going prone / rolling with it? Doesn't it edge into your side fierce? It sits at about 8:30 position. It moves with my body very well. It will not come out with anything less then a swift upward pull. It would dig a bit If I was to roll laterally while prone, but no where near as bad as the 6004 would. Its a well thought out piece of gear. |
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How easy is it to reload pistol mags from a subload? Seems like unless you have reeeaaalllyyy long arms you'd have to significantly disrupt your firing stance... And how easy is it to run with the subloads? I've always found it terribly annoying and difficult to really move with heavy subloads, as they are inherently unstable.
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as far as grabbing the mags, NO trouble at all for me at all, my arm naturaly hanging down ges farther down then where i need to grab them. keep in mind i have to subload adjusted as high as i can.
as far as stability, again, you can see i have both subloads up as high as i can get them, this helps big time. also the bayo helps support the subload as well. I am still debating weather or not to chop down the holster and get rid of the top strap, but i have it pulled up pretty high now and i run all over with it and it stays put. it might not work for some but it works great for me. hell i ran that load through a 2 day magpul class with 4 ar mags on it as well. now by the end of the second day it was starting to get a little shitty, but i also did not have the belt pad then eather. i have also found it helps to keep the supporting staps looser, i keep them so they just help keep it from twisting, if you have them tighter they eventually slide down and actually pull of the load and make it feel heavier then it is. i am running a pistol compition sunday and will have it on for a few hours, so that will be the test with this newer layout, but i think it will work good...ill update on how it goes. |
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At the moment, I have an ATS War Belt in Multicam with a matching ATS Dump Pouch and an ATS Triple AR mag/1911 mag pouch and a Blackhawk SERPA Holster with MOLLE attachment. THe belt had a black Bianchi police belt, but since i am preparing a nylon duty rig (currently using a leather rig), I removed it and use one of my leather liner belts instead. I'll post a pic as soon as i get home today.
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