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Originally Posted By ROCK6: @marnsdorff, just curious about your take on this. Is it the concern of failure, lack of stiffer backing, not as stable? I do think a more traditional stiffer backing would give the pouch more stability and structure for ease of access/use. I do like the Velocity Systems Jungle Kit pouches, great features, but they really need someing inside for structure; think of a canteen cup and a canteen. ROCK6 Sagging and eventual failure. There have been numerous examples of the laser cut molle stuff sagging badly after a good bit of use, and then failure. It's not so bad with small stuff like, say, a pistol magazine pouch and other small pouches. I get the use of it then. But for the heavier pouches, I would definitely want old school webbing based MOLLE on the back. I've seen Velocity utility and buttpack laser cut MOLLE fail with use - it sags badly, then falls apart. I did see a new product previewed by one of the big fabric manufacturers - woven heavy duty material in wide sheets - with the MOLLE slits KNITTED into the fabric. Think the laminated fabric used these days meets regular webbing, but in a WIDE sheet, and built for you to be able to cut pieces out to fit the back of your pouches - without having to melt the ends or use binding tape. I'd like to see how that holds up. And agreed on the velocity pouches needing some kind of stiffener. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Running drills at the range today with my belt kit and got some compliments.  Compliments on your drills, your kit, or just your damn sexy old Marine good looks?  ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Sagging and eventual failure. There have been numerous examples of the laser cut molle stuff sagging badly after a good bit of use, and then failure. It's not so bad with small stuff like, say, a pistol magazine pouch and other small pouches. I get the use of it then. But for the heavier pouches, I would definitely want old school webbing based MOLLE on the back. I've seen Velocity utility and buttpack laser cut MOLLE fail with use - it sags badly, then falls apart. Yeah, I like the smaller pouches becuase they have such a smaller profile with the laser cut stuff. I haven't really stressed the bigger pouches, but I can see the concerns on sagging and potential failure. As with all innovative ideas, what sounds/looks good needs a little dirt time to confirm and validate...or expose the weaknesses. ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By ROCK6: Yeah, I like the smaller pouches becuase they have such a smaller profile with the laser cut stuff. I haven't really stressed the bigger pouches, but I can see the concerns on sagging and potential failure. As with all innovative ideas, what sounds/looks good needs a little dirt time to confirm and validate...or expose the weaknesses. ROCK6 Yea. I see potential with the laser cut stuff - either better tech or just use it for specific cases. Alot of why companies are using it is that it is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to make gear using it. I've dabbled with laser cut panels before, and even me buying the panels from someone else, it probably cuts $10-15 off of a pouch in labor time. No cutting webbing, marking where webbing goes, making sure the webbing stays straight and spaced right, no super special stitching, etc. etc. etc. If I was making my own laser cut panel, it'd cut even more cost. I'd likely use laser cut molle to do, like I said, smaller things. Tourniquet pouches is one I'd use it for sure for example. |
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Originally Posted By ROCK6: Compliments on your drills, your kit, or just your damn sexy old Marine good looks? ROCK6 Originally Posted By ROCK6: Originally Posted By 03RN: Running drills at the range today with my belt kit and got some compliments. Compliments on your drills, your kit, or just your damn sexy old Marine good looks? ROCK6 Lol, hopefully just my belt. |
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This is probably another epic thread drift, but, I wanted to address something to the participants here. If need be, we could split this off later. But anyways, I have had this idea for awhile, and wanted to bounce it off you guys. I am considering making some prototypes in regular OCP material (probably 60-40 poly-cotton). Here is my thinking. First of all, I'm thinking of the signature reduction (thermal. NV, etc.) by using the same material as your cammies to cover the outside layer of your LBE. In this case belt kit, chest rigs, and maybe even a ruck or two. By combining some sort of natural cotton fiber into the mix, your kit will have the same reflectivity of your clothing, which is already much closer to the reflectivity of the surrounding foliage. I know some of you were there when we first started switching over to nylon gear. It was noisier, and much shinier than cotton canvas. But eventually prevailed, in great measure because it was lighter and dried faster. But this was also way before the proliferation of NV and thermal, and whatever else new stuff that is out there. Secondly, it is much easier to fabricate, especially in a home workshop environment. So in situations where this makes sense, LBE can be manufactured much easier, cheaper, than nylon or other exotic materials. And in certain situations, where you might have to ditch all your gear, much easier to dispose (without shedding a tear for some of us). So with these thoughts, factors in mind, I was wondering what the hive here might think. |
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Originally Posted By Diz: This is probably another epic thread drift, but, I wanted to address something to the participants here. If need be, we could split this off later. But anyways, I have had this idea for awhile, and wanted to bounce it off you guys. I am considering making some prototypes in regular OCP material (probably 60-40 poly-cotton). Here is my thinking. First of all, I'm thinking of the signature reduction (thermal. NV, etc.) by using the same material as your cammies to cover the outside layer of your LBE. In this case belt kit, chest rigs, and maybe even a ruck or two. By combining some sort of natural cotton fiber into the mix, your kit will have the same reflectivity of your clothing, which is already much closer to the reflectivity of the surrounding foliage. I know some of you were there when we first started switching over to nylon gear. It was noisier, and much shinier than cotton canvas. But eventually prevailed, in great measure because it was lighter and dried faster. But this was also way before the proliferation of NV and thermal, and whatever else new stuff that is out there. Secondly, it is much easier to fabricate, especially in a home workshop environment. So in situations where this makes sense, LBE can be manufactured much easier, cheaper, than nylon or other exotic materials. And in certain situations, where you might have to ditch all your gear, much easier to dispose (without shedding a tear for some of us). So with these thoughts, factors in mind, I was wondering what the hive here might think. While you'd want the pattern to work for 'at home' production, I'd design the production version to use a layer of nyco over the top of a layer of packcloth or cordura. For strength. Especially for packs (weight) and mag pouches (because of the wear of the mags) |
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Originally Posted By FlamingDragon: The final pieces of gear for my budget belt arrived today, and set it all up and actually couldn't really be happier with it. Altogether total cost for everything you see was $131 dollars. Not too shabby. https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg That looks good, What is the buttpack? It looks like all Sportmans guide stuff. |
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Originally Posted By wsix: That looks good, What is the buttpack? It looks like all Sportmans guide stuff. Originally Posted By wsix: Originally Posted By FlamingDragon: The final pieces of gear for my budget belt arrived today, and set it all up and actually couldn't really be happier with it. Altogether total cost for everything you see was $131 dollars. Not too shabby. https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg That looks good, What is the buttpack? It looks like all Sportmans guide stuff. It is mostly cheap milsurp Sportsmans/Fireforce stuff, but it's not really a buttpack, it's more of a large utility pouch that had molle webbing on front & back that I attached a tear off ifak on to that I bought from a member here for $15 shipped. I think it was a TAG pouch that I got from the local army/navy for like $10 bucks. |
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Well, funny you say that, I am also talking with a mate about this kind of thing specifically tailored to an SF detachment for 2 missions. First for deep reconnaissance, where stealth is highly desirable, and also for UW missions , where you are trying to raise and outfit a G force. But I will stay away from specifics there. But as far as the things you mention, yes, the "sandwich" of materials used could be tailored to the mission, with higher-priced and more complex techniques used for certain sits, and just good 'ol ripstop for others. My thinking is in terms of a 320-500d nylon lining, with ripstop exterior (and possibly some webbing reinforcement) for the recce mission, and plain ripstop with webbing reinforcement for a G force. My prime concern for the recce mission is stealth, so I want the ripstop on top, even if you are giving up some durability. The prime concern for outfitting the G's is ease of mfg and low cost. In a prepper context, you could pick either one, depending on what you're up to. What my mate is thinking may be different and I don't want to disclose anything he's up to. But it's funny you hit upon those lines. At the end of the day, you have to sometimes separate your hobby from the reality of what may come your way. This is firmly in that territory. There used to be shops in Fayetteville that did this kind of work for SF units, and made kit for G's as well. I'm fairly certain they're still around. So this is building on that sort of thing for our purposes. I think something like this is firmly in Marnsdorff's bailiwick; it gives the prepared citizen another option for building up kit, and simplifies his construction. |
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Originally Posted By FlamingDragon: The final pieces of gear for my budget belt arrived today, and set it all up and actually couldn't really be happier with it. Altogether total cost for everything you see was $131 dollars. Not too shabby. https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/gLhSXsRf/20260724-171334.jpg It might not be the latest or greatest, but hey, it works, right? I might recommend certain things, but there are other ways of doing things, especially if you are on a budget. |
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Originally Posted By Diz: Well, funny you say that, I am also talking with a mate about this kind of thing specifically tailored to an SF detachment for 2 missions. First for deep reconnaissance, where stealth is highly desirable, and also for UW missions , where you are trying to raise and outfit a G force. But I will stay away from specifics there. But as far as the things you mention, yes, the "sandwich" of materials used could be tailored to the mission, with higher-priced and more complex techniques used for certain sits, and just good 'ol ripstop for others. My thinking is in terms of a 320-500d nylon lining, with ripstop exterior (and possibly some webbing reinforcement) for the recce mission, and plain ripstop with webbing reinforcement for a G force. My prime concern for the recce mission is stealth, so I want the ripstop on top, even if you are giving up some durability. The prime concern for outfitting the G's is ease of mfg and low cost. In a prepper context, you could pick either one, depending on what you're up to. What my mate is thinking may be different and I don't want to disclose anything he's up to. But it's funny you hit upon those lines. At the end of the day, you have to sometimes separate your hobby from the reality of what may come your way. This is firmly in that territory. There used to be shops in Fayetteville that did this kind of work for SF units, and made kit for G's as well. I'm fairly certain they're still around. So this is building on that sort of thing for our purposes. I think something like this is firmly in Marnsdorff's bailiwick; it gives the prepared citizen another option for building up kit, and simplifies his construction. The ripstop fabric allows for other (any really) fabric to be used. IE, for the guerilla, it might be old pairs of jeans or a ripped carhartt jacket. Or other specialty stuff - matching fabric colors to match a shirt so that it blends in. Most guerilla gear isn't going to be used continuously either - alot of the time it's disposable, so that's another factor. Use it and ditch it before blending into the population. You might or not not be able to pick it up later. So durability - while you don't want it to fall apart - isn't going to be as much of a factor there. Especially if you can make more of them. This also lends to the 'cheap and easy to make out of whatever stuff you have on hand' factor. The hardest thing I see being able to acquire here is heavy duty thread. The VAST MAJORITY of people who sew aren't even going to have T40 weight bonded stuff (and possibly needles to go with them). Heck most people's sewing gear I've seen don't have much more than regular cotton thread. So you'd want the designs to keep this in mind for the true guerilla design - extra stitching and seams designed to take into account cheap thread. With THIS in mind, I'd do two different versions of each pattern (at the risk of complicating things even more - though since this will be spread digitally I assume, they can just choose between the two designs, choosing for fabric at hand) - one pattern with simple seams, if you have decent-ish material and good thread. And one designed with more specialized seams to take into account sub-par fabric and especially crappy thread. IE, some dude at home that only has his wife's sewing machine setup and some ripped jeans. The jeans material would be fine, but her crappy basic cotton thread is an issue. The design of the pouches and the seam designs and the number of stitches will have to compensate for that. As for the material - I'd design it around 400d packcloth. The generic stuff. It's in the middle between the 300d/320d stuff and the 500d cordura. Bumping up or down won't affect it much, it's cheap, available, and easy enough to work with. But the design can be adapted without change to any of the 300d-500d range fabrics, depending on what's available. As for the design - this is where I'd keep it SUPER simple and significantly away from my normal gear designs. I'd do a simple 5 or 6 mag panel chicom chest rig, probably a 6 panel one. No molle. Make it optional with webbing - but webbing preferred. (webbing can be hard to get in the civilian world, and even though you can make webbing at home by hand, this quickly eats up the material on hand and is very labor intensive) I'd design each use of webbing to use any size from 3/4" all the way up to 1 1/2" webbing - maybe even up to 2" wide, especially the shoulder straps, so that they can use whatever they have on hand, possible by cannibalizing stuff like car seat belts, etc. Use a simple webbing 'pouch' inside each mag pouch panel to hold the weight of the magazine, so that the other fabric is mostly for protection from the environment. Offer two different closure methods - a lidless design that uses bungie-cords to close. And an option to include a simple flap lid that can be sewn on if you wanted to, with the ability to close via velcro OR fastex buckles OR chicom style toggles. Again, the first two can be cannibalized from random stuff, and you can always make chicom toggles at home. Make an optional, simple 'chassis' of webbing in the design, between the fabric layers of the base, to hold the weight of the pouches, that's attached to the shoulder straps. This makes the weight of the pouches be suspended by the webbing, not the cheap fabric. The rest of the fabric just gives stability. If you kept the design simple, these can be very quick and cheap to make, out of just about any material, and give alot of options for what material you can use. It also provides a base design that can be expanded upon - include a handful of other pouch patterns that can be substituted into the design if they need something more complicated. IE, a simple grenade pouch that can be swapped into place instead of one of the mag pouches. Make an optional, add-on padding design that attaches onto the shoulder straps to make them padded. The kind that wraps around the webbing and attached with velcro. Some plate carriers use that kind on their shoulder straps. Make it simple - foam padding obtained from anywhere, shoved into a fabric sleeve and sealed. With attaching wings. It doesn't have to be pretty, just simple to make. And it is optional. You could also do matching patterns - a 4 mag micro one designed to be concealed. A larger 6 mag one for regular use. Even a simple split rig one with 6 mags. The basic pattern is the same, just where to cut, how many pouches you can put on there, and where the webbing attaches. If you can make one, you can make any of them. But I'd make the basic 6 mag one the main one to concentrate on. You'd also want to factor in AK magazines. Either AK compatible magazine pouches, or include patterns for AK pouches, in addition to .308 mag pouches too. Some nations still rock G3's and FAL's and stuff.......... |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: I thought it was spiritus but I just looked and couldn't find it. Someone made like over white pouch flap covers that would also do what you guys are describing. Adding a layer of cotton over the pouch. I wish I could find them again. I recall seeing those, too.... |
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Iirc L4 Performance (Finnish company) used to make something liked that. I don't see it listed on their site anymore though. If you've got a pouch with a removable flap (ala the spiritus spud or the platatac peacekeeper), wouldn't be too hard to make some interchangeable flaps to swap out depending on the season (green, brown, white). Don't know how that would jive with thermal reduction, but wouldn't hurt in the visual spectrum. |
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Regarding marnsdorff’s 40rd pouches, They are nice. They hold 3 40 rd pmags, and 3 Ak pmags 5 35rd Akv/scorpion mags And if you synch down the shock cord retention it will hold two 20 rd 308 pmags without needing to throwing in something to hold them up. 4 aluminum at mags can also fit if you put something in there to hold them up. Goldilocks snug. No difficulty or stretching. Also looks to be about a slim Nalgene size but I don’t have one to check. @marnsdorff great job. I hope this project turns out to be something you have in your production rotation. |
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Originally Posted By hodgescl: Regarding marnsdorff’s 40rd pouches, They are nice. They hold 3 40 rd pmags, and 3 Ak pmags 5 35rd Akv/scorpion mags And if you synch down the shock cord retention it will hold two 20 rd 308 pmags without needing to throwing in something to hold them up. 4 aluminum at mags can also fit if you put something in there to hold them up. Goldilocks snug. No difficulty or stretching. Also looks to be about a slim Nalgene size but I don’t have one to check. @marnsdorff great job. I hope this project turns out to be something you have in your production rotation. 
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Lots of good points. Yeah, using just about any available material in your AO would be a plus. On thread, the closest thing available would be what civvie sew shops call "Heavy-duty" or even "Extra Heavy-Duty" thread, which is usually a full nylon thread, in the 40-70 range. Cotton thread would definitely not be near as good, so yeah, lots of reinforcement going in there. Good points of the cotton "over-whites"; that shit has been going on for quite some time, and see no reason why you could extend it to your LBE. And for sure, we all talk about durability, but sometimes this stuff is going to be expendable, disposable, even one-mission gear. When you get into "jungle", home workshops, the possibilities start to emerge. In this case, having the machines, materials, and techniques to make your own kit becomes more advantageous than any store-bought kit. Go Marnsdorff. |
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I am sure the topic of patrol yokes for belt kit has come up in this thread, but posting a recent (and sold) example of the type with some decent pictures. I would love to have a domestic copy of this, if there is enough interest to have them made: kit monster link |
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Originally Posted By Mrf2: I am sure the topic of patrol yokes for belt kit has come up in this thread, but posting a recent (and sold) example of the type with some decent pictures. I would love to have a domestic copy of this, if there is enough interest to have them made: kit monster link I'm not sure there is enough demand for them. It's close enough to the FLC (though obviously different) that alot of guys would balk. I DO have an idea to do something similarish, but a little less....bulky? I'm trying to figure out a way to put a mag pouch above the belt kit mag pouches - probably a single mag pouch that holds 2 x AR magazines - either horizontally, vertically, or angled, I'm not sure which. Probably not vertically. I've been thinking about it awhile. If you really want a domestic made one, you can always get one custom made. |
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Originally Posted By Mrf2: I am sure the topic of patrol yokes for belt kit has come up in this thread, but posting a recent (and sold) example of the type with some decent pictures. I would love to have a domestic copy of this, if there is enough interest to have them made: kit monster link Looks hot. As in, damn, I’m gonna cook in that. If I’m putting gear on my chest, may as well be on top of a plate that can stop rounds. This thread seems to be more about moving essential gear off our chests and backs, and putting it around our waists. Having walked a few miles in a couple different belt kits at this point, I’m pissed the US Army never issued me anything like it 
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Looks hot. As in, damn, I’m gonna cook in that. If I’m putting gear on my chest, may as well be on top of a plate that can stop rounds. This thread seems to be more about moving essential gear off our chests and backs, and putting it around our waists. Having walked a few miles in a couple different belt kits at this point, I’m pissed the US Army never issued me anything like it This. Exactly why I'm wanting to do a minimalist addon of just the two magazine pouches. |
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I'm going to have my website go live here soon, probably in the next 2-3 weeks. In addition to having a storefront finally, I'm going to have a 'blog' section, where I'm going to have belt kit / DIY gear / sewing gear related stuff. I'm looking for people who want to write some articles - doesn't matter if they are short or long - about any of those topics. For belt kit, how to, tips, tricks, concepts, etc. Also hot tropic weather stuff too, which kinda go with belt kits. I'm also open to pitches for ideas. I've got a couple of guys from Australia who are in the military down there who are going to do some stuff on belt kits and tropic stuff, from their viewpoint. I want the site to be a good repository of this knowledge. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I'm going to have my website go live here soon, probably in the next 2-3 weeks. In addition to having a storefront finally, I'm going to have a 'blog' section, where I'm going to have belt kit / DIY gear / sewing gear related stuff. I'm looking for people who want to write some articles - doesn't matter if they are short or long - about any of those topics. For belt kit, how to, tips, tricks, concepts, etc. Also hot tropic weather stuff too, which kinda go with belt kits. I'm also open to pitches for ideas. I've got a couple of guys from Australia who are in the military down there who are going to do some stuff on belt kits and tropic stuff, from their viewpoint. I want the site to be a good repository of this knowledge. Congrats. Interested to see the site/blog when it goes live. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I'm not sure there is enough demand for them. It's close enough to the FLC (though obviously different) that alot of guys would balk. I DO have an idea to do something similarish, but a little less....bulky? I'm trying to figure out a way to put a mag pouch above the belt kit mag pouches - probably a single mag pouch that holds 2 x AR magazines - either horizontally, vertically, or angled, I'm not sure which. Probably not vertically. I've been thinking about it awhile. If you really want a domestic made one, you can always get one custom made. Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Originally Posted By Mrf2: I am sure the topic of patrol yokes for belt kit has come up in this thread, but posting a recent (and sold) example of the type with some decent pictures. I would love to have a domestic copy of this, if there is enough interest to have them made: kit monster link I'm not sure there is enough demand for them. It's close enough to the FLC (though obviously different) that alot of guys would balk. I DO have an idea to do something similarish, but a little less....bulky? I'm trying to figure out a way to put a mag pouch above the belt kit mag pouches - probably a single mag pouch that holds 2 x AR magazines - either horizontally, vertically, or angled, I'm not sure which. Probably not vertically. I've been thinking about it awhile. If you really want a domestic made one, you can always get one custom made. Just run your front harness strap through the back of a mole pouch to try it in for size. |
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https://www.attackpak.com/ i was made aware of this, i saw in is social that he is making some british style pouches and rigged a pair of 6 point suspenders from 6 straps and a loop of elastic not unlike the bfg ones. some interesting pack frames and they offer a low profile socket type molle thing to rest their packs on. belt looks like an inner/outer belt with a velcroed large pad not unlike the british ones |
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Interesting. Restarting production of the old Israeli style rig. |
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: I recognize how much sewing I'm looking at, but $650 is retarded. I suppose they'll still sell a few. If it's made in a Western country, the labor is going to make the price at least that. Price out how much it would cost to do a base MOLLE belt, harness, and all those pouches if you pieced something like that together yourself. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: If it's made in a Western country, the labor is going to make the price at least that. Price out how much it would cost to do a base MOLLE belt, harness, and all those pouches if you pieced something like that together yourself. Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: I recognize how much sewing I'm looking at, but $650 is retarded. I suppose they'll still sell a few. If it's made in a Western country, the labor is going to make the price at least that. Price out how much it would cost to do a base MOLLE belt, harness, and all those pouches if you pieced something like that together yourself. I have and a new Jay Jays commander webbing set up shipped is far below that. And preferable to me in MTC and the pouch design is better than that thing. |
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Originally Posted By ridinshotgun: I have and a new Jay Jays commander webbing set up shipped is far below that. And preferable to me in MTC and the pouch design is better than that thing. Oh I agree that Jayjays stuff is far better. Just that the price isn't that high compared to how much it cost to make. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: If it's made in a Western country, the labor is going to make the price at least that. Price out how much it would cost to do a base MOLLE belt, harness, and all those pouches if you pieced something like that together yourself. I get why, and if YOU charged that I wouldn't ask myself why, at all. But they are a little better equipped as an enterprise to do it more efficiently at scale. Or they will secretly make it outside the US... again. Or maybe they'd sell a thousand of them if they were $800. What do I know? eta: I'm just getting old and crochety, is all. 4x mag pouches @ $40/per 2x huge GPs @ $80/per 2x canteens @ $50/per 1x buttpack @ $150/per $570 worth of pouches before harness and belt. |
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: I get why, and if YOU charged that I wouldn't ask myself why, at all. But they are a little better equipped as an enterprise to do it more efficiently at scale. Or they will secretly make it outside the US... again. Or maybe they'd sell a thousand of them if they were $800. What do I know? eta: I'm just getting old and crochety, is all. 4x mag pouches @ $40/per 2x huge GPs @ $80/per 2x canteens @ $50/per 1x buttpack @ $150/per $570 worth of pouches before harness and belt. Ya, building one out with MOLLE pouches gets expensive. A good harness is going to be $100, a good belt is going to be $100. So you're looking at $770 for a full MOLLE set. Of course, you could always buy a buttpack from me for $100, and save $50, soooooo......$720. Even the Velocity Systems set is like $600ish, and their stuff is super simple and heavily automated laser cut stuff, and their belt is sub-optimal for belt kit. Yea, right now I charge $600, but I'm thinking about raising that again here at some point. You guys who got me to make them for $300 early on got a deal. If it's American made, I highly doubt they could get their price down under $650 and still make a decent profit, not as a big company with alot of overhead and still having to sell their stuff to dealers and such. I basically just make labor costs off of my $600 sets, and barely so. If I needed to make actual profit for a company - ie, pay someone else to sew the kit for me and I still make some $$$ off of it, that price would need to go up 20-30%, minimum. Factoring in mass production capability, you could probably shave 10-20% off of that if I were LBT. So you're still looking at a 10-20% total increase in costs. |
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