Originally Posted By renotse:
I recently used the information in this thread to make up my mind to buy a real safe for my stuff. My decision boiled down to Graffunder or Brown.

These are the factors that came to my mind:

Graffunder C-rated - exterior 71x48x29   37 cu ft volume  3600 lbs single door  group one lock, 4 side boltwork  $13,600 w/tax  installed

Pros: beautiful craftsmansip, very tight sealing doors, random relockers, heat triggered relockers standard, armored lock (all sides) , steel / concrete  composite (except on door, no concrete just rockwool). Distribution by dealers so you can touch and feel before buy. you can buy from stock or special order fire rating 1 hour @ 1750,

Cons, No UL TL rating, No concrete in door, just rock wool, Limited lock selection ( no redundant lock option La Gard 6441), to fit in my proposed location one of my house interior door frame would have to be removed to accommodate the 29.25 depth, Dealer distribution model requires local sales tax $840


Brown TL-30 - exterior 77x48x28 , 30 cu ft volume, 4350 lbs double door 3 side bolt work $13,800 installed (no sales tax)

Pros: Total custom design and size to fit my application, UL TL 30 rating with placard, Double doors,  2.5" concrete all sided, 2" concrete on doors Dual Redundant locks on both doors keypad and Group1 4-ring dial  (La Gard 6441), full custom interior, fire rating 1.5 hrs @ 1700, carbide chip plate lock armor, power strip inside,  factory direct means not sales tax if outside Californian

Cons: factory direct sales model means buying sight unseen, mechanical relockers not random placed, Shipping from California is expensive, By all accounts I find, Brown not nearly as finely crafted as Graffunder  50% payment on order, 50% before shipping, 12 weeks for construction.


If I compare the  two I think.

Graffunder very secure but less so at door because no concrete only rockwool , cheaper, 23% more volume $367 per cu ft, beautiful aesthetics, better known as top notch. Lighter, less Fire resistance,  harder access (single door), poor lock options,  Lighter so cost $3.77 per pound

Brown more secure, More expensive $460 per cu ft, many more options for custom build, Much heavier so cost $3.17 per pound

I chose the Brown because It will fit my designated location without house modifications, because it was UL TL30 which is tested secure, and because it had dual redundant lock options. All other differences were marginal too me.

I invite comments especially from the safe professionals.

Originally Posted By icecold1:

if I were you,look at the rfx line from amsec too---after a ton of research I decided to get one in my office at work.it has the tl-30x6 rating and although very heavy @4500 lb it seems to be a awesome safe.i'm so happy with it I'm planning on ordering one for my home soon.

pete

Originally Posted By TheSafeGuy:
Welcome to the forum Jimbo. Always happy to see real Safe Techs in here. Don't be discouraged by the outspoken amateur safe experts. Facts and logic can't change strong opinions.

What outfit do you work for?

BTW, anyone interested in checking UL Listings, you can do that at MyHome@UL.  This Online Certification Directory provides consumer verification. And yes, Brown has current TL-15 and TL-30 listings.

Originally Posted By firemedic2000:
I know this is an old post. I did a search on safe reviews and found it. I'm buying a new safe. This jimbojones21 that popped up out of no place just to post in this post and it seems this is the only post he ever posted in also. What does that tell everyone here.

He's a safe dealer bashing from mostly what I read a another safe dealer and pushing another safe.

To call Sturdy Safes garbage is about the most ridicule thing I've ever heard on this forum. From my research they are one of the best built safes I've seen. I have zero to do with them to. It just pisses me off to hear another dealer makeup a bogus acct. and dash another site sponsor.

Also there is a hugh difference in say 2800.00 and 10k or even 6k when the difference are minor. If a 10 ton fork lift can pry a door off a pry bar isn't. Either way the things this jimbojones21 said is bullshit along with himself for hiding behind a fake acct.

Not even a paying member and bashing a site sponsor. Ban hammer right there. Does not matter though
If you look at the date this post was started 1-12 and this jimbojones21 registration date to arfcom is 1-13 you know it's a troll acct set up by an existing member/dealer in safes.

This is 10-2017 and last post date of jimbojones21 was 11-1-14

Rockola is correct. I'm no expert but I can read. Sturdy for the money you cant beat. I'm buying one this month. But be sure you call them do not go by prices on web site they are way lower if you call.

But this jimbojones21 you were a joke and ruined a good informative post with your argumentative nonsense. This post was for information and to help with a buying decision. You turned into a who's better B.S. post

I know your still out there under your real user name. You should be banned if caught.