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1/24/2025 10:44:28 AM EDT
I just got this rack grade 1945 Springfield Garand. It has what looks like a flower or gear stamped where the "P" would ordinarily be. There is also a capitol "T" on both sides of the wrist.

Anybody every seen stamps like this before?



NorCal_LEO call sign: Armour
1/24/2025 1:04:41 PM EDT
[#1]
I've seen those somewhere but I just can't place where.....
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1/24/2025 1:08:58 PM EDT
[#2]
I asked Grok...

what is the significance of a lotus flower stamp and the letter "T" on the buttstock of an M1 Garand?

The significance of a lotus flower stamp and the letter "T" on the buttstock of an M1 Garand rifle relates to its manufacturing history:

Lotus Flower Stamp: This symbol typically indicates that the rifle was manufactured by Springfield Armory, one of the primary producers of the M1 Garand during World War II. The lotus flower was used by Springfield Armory as their proof mark on various parts of the M1 Garand, signifying that the part or the rifle passed inspection for quality and safety.
Letter "T": The "T" on the buttstock generally stands for "test" or "trial." Rifles marked with a "T" were often used for experimental or testing purposes. These could include modifications or special features being trialed for potential adoption into standard issue. For instance, some "T" marked M1 Garands were part of tests for different barrel configurations, gas systems, or stock designs.

However, the exact significance can vary:

T1, T2, etc.: These markings could denote specific test models or batches during the development phase of the M1 Garand or its variants. For example, the T1 was an early prototype of what would become the M1, featuring different design elements than the final production model.
T on Buttstock: Specifically on the buttstock, the "T" might also indicate that this part was from a test rifle or was used in some capacity during trials, even if the rest of the rifle wasn't a test model.

When you see these markings together on an M1 Garand, it suggests the rifle or at least the buttstock was involved in some aspect of Springfield Armory's testing or experimental programs. This can significantly increase the historical and collector's value of the rifle, as it ties it directly to the development and refinement process of one of America's most iconic firearms. However, for precise details about why a particular rifle was marked this way, one would need to delve into the specific production records or consult with experts in M1 Garand history, as practices could change or be documented differently over time.

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1/24/2025 1:20:40 PM EDT
[#3]
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Originally Posted By JCoop:
I asked Grok...

what is the significance of a lotus flower stamp and the letter "T" on the buttstock of an M1 Garand?

The significance of a lotus flower stamp and the letter "T" on the buttstock of an M1 Garand rifle relates to its manufacturing history:

Lotus Flower Stamp: This symbol typically indicates that the rifle was manufactured by Springfield Armory, one of the primary producers of the M1 Garand during World War II. The lotus flower was used by Springfield Armory as their proof mark on various parts of the M1 Garand, signifying that the part or the rifle passed inspection for quality and safety.
Letter "T": The "T" on the buttstock generally stands for "test" or "trial." Rifles marked with a "T" were often used for experimental or testing purposes. These could include modifications or special features being trialed for potential adoption into standard issue. For instance, some "T" marked M1 Garands were part of tests for different barrel configurations, gas systems, or stock designs.

However, the exact significance can vary:

T1, T2, etc.: These markings could denote specific test models or batches during the development phase of the M1 Garand or its variants. For example, the T1 was an early prototype of what would become the M1, featuring different design elements than the final production model.
T on Buttstock: Specifically on the buttstock, the "T" might also indicate that this part was from a test rifle or was used in some capacity during trials, even if the rest of the rifle wasn't a test model.

When you see these markings together on an M1 Garand, it suggests the rifle or at least the buttstock was involved in some aspect of Springfield Armory's testing or experimental programs. This can significantly increase the historical and collector's value of the rifle, as it ties it directly to the development and refinement process of one of America's most iconic firearms. However, for precise details about why a particular rifle was marked this way, one would need to delve into the specific production records or consult with experts in M1 Garand history, as practices could change or be documented differently over time.

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Thanks for the info.

I thought the T and flower may have meant it was made in Taiwan.
NorCal_LEO call sign: Armour
1/24/2025 2:15:15 PM EDT
[#4]
That stock appears to be Beech. Unlikely the markings have anything to do with Springfield Armory.

Be much less surprised if they were European in origin and I too think I've seen the flower or pinwheel stamp somewhere as well in the not too distant past.
1/24/2025 4:24:40 PM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
I've seen those somewhere but I just can't place where.....
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Good JCoop answer above

There goes my best guess: Tooele Army Depot, Utah
at a stretch, San Antonio, or T for Texas.
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1/24/2025 6:58:08 PM EDT
[#6]
My initial thought, looking at the pics, was that the stamp was a lotus flower, a symbol often used by the Japanese. So I didn't like Grok's answer. Doing more research, it could be a Chrysanthemum flower. I wonder if that's a Japanese captured but reunited with allies rifle? I don't really know, just spitballing here.
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson

"He didnt punch anybody. He punched an idea." DrFrige
1/25/2025 9:36:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Its been postulated that the flower is a Taiwanese mark as its been seen on at least one rifle with a tawain made windage knob.
1/25/2025 9:44:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SteelonSteel][Edited] [#8]
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Originally Posted By HurstXJ:
That stock appears to be Beech. Unlikely the markings have anything to do with Springfield Armory.

Be much less surprised if they were European in origin and I too think I've seen the flower or pinwheel stamp somewhere as well in the not too distant past.
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Or a humper that bought some stamping tools.

The stampings look fresh.
The only hyphenated names I like are cartridge names......30-06, 30-40, 38-55 etc.
1/25/2025 11:07:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Google search took me to this photo on Reddit. No definitive answers there either. Cannot make out what the character is beneath the flower.

NorCal_LEO call sign: Armour
1/25/2025 4:39:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M1G][Edited] [#10]
Foreign manufacture stock ,have no idea about the markings. It has nothing to do with Springfield Armory
1/25/2025 6:10:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: panzersergeant][Edited] [#11]
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Originally Posted By M1G:
Foreign manufacture stock ,have no idea about the markings. It has nothing to do with Springfield Armory
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I suspect you may be correct. But what makes it look foreign made to you? Other than the strange markings.
NorCal_LEO call sign: Armour
1/25/2025 7:50:17 PM EDT
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I suspect you may be correct. But what makes it look foreign made to you? Other than the strange markings.
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Beech wood was never used on stocks except by foreign countries. It also does not have the shape of USGI stocks
1/26/2025 11:58:40 PM EDT
[#13]
One of the rack grade M1's I received from the CMP a few years ago has that stamp.  It's one of the Philippine returns according to the FOIA. No idea what it means.
1/30/2025 10:40:41 PM EDT
[#14]
Maybe it is a Turkish M1?  Lol.  I am calling Arfcom trademark violation!

Jk.

Wish i could help.

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