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Sorry if that has been answered but I've not found anything definitive here, on YouTube, or KAC's site. Does anyone know which uppers (caliber, bbl length, material, pn, etc) are going to be available going forward in 2024+? I've been sitting on a SR-25 lower for 3+ years now and want to know what my options are looking like in for the future. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Lancewood: Sorry if that has been answered but I've not found anything definitive here, on YouTube, or KAC's site. Does anyone know which uppers (caliber, bbl length, material, pn, etc) are going to be available going forward in 2024+? I've been sitting on a SR-25 lower for 3+ years now and want to know what my options are looking like in for the future. Thanks. SR-25K3: 16" .308/7.62 dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K5: 14.5" .308/7.62 non-dimpled 4150 5R Chrome lined barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K6: 16" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K7: 14.5" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A2: 20" .308/7.62 dimpled 4150 5R non-chrome barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A3: 22" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake These are not yet available to order, will release PNs and pricing to dealers as soon as we have the first batches ready to go. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: SR-25K3: 16" .308/7.62 dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K5: 14.5" .308/7.62 non-dimpled 4150 5R Chrome lined barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K6: 16" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K7: 14.5" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A2: 20" .308/7.62 dimpled 4150 5R non-chrome barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A3: 22" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake These are not yet available to order, will release PNs and pricing to dealers as soon as we have the first batches ready to go. Full ambi lowers or legacy? |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: SR-25K3: 16" .308/7.62 dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K5: 14.5" .308/7.62 non-dimpled 4150 5R Chrome lined barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K6: 16" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 14.5" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25K7: 14.5" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 13" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A2: 20" .308/7.62 dimpled 4150 5R non-chrome barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake SR-25A3: 22" 6.5mm Creedmoor dimpled 416R 5R barrel with 19" URX6 handguard and open brake These are not yet available to order, will release PNs and pricing to dealers as soon as we have the first batches ready to go. I wonder why the 14.5" 308 is the only non-dimpled variant. That's my favorite length/cal combo. Would love a dimpled one. |
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Originally Posted By AndysAR15name: I wonder why the 14.5" 308 is the only non-dimpled variant. That's my favorite length/cal combo. Would love a dimpled one. I would say the profile doesn’t lend itself to dimples, I’ve got an cc and can see why no dimples as they would be really shallow, |
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Originally Posted By dmtsc: I would say the profile doesn’t lend itself to dimples, I’ve got an cc and can see why no dimples as they would be really shallow, I recall a discussion here about how the 16" ACC would start stringing shots sooner than the 14.5CC since the 16" ACC had a lighter profile barrel than the 14.5CC. And the 14.5 lends itself better to suppressed usage. Which is why they were getting rid of the 16" ACC. I also remember the published weight of the 14.5CC upper used to be equal or > than the 16" ACC even though it was shorter. So I always thought the 14.5CC had more of a midweight barrel. Looking now though, the 14.5 on the website is listed as weighting < the 16" ACC, and both state a light profile. So maybe the new 14.5CC is a lighter profile than the original? A lot of the old info and discussions were nuked, so I can't readily find it anymore. If your reasoning is correct I guess this would mean the 14.5" creed upper will be a thicker profile than the 14.5" 308 upper. |
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Originally Posted By AndysAR15name: I recall a discussion here about how the 16" ACC would start stringing shots sooner than the 14.5CC since the 16" ACC had a lighter profile barrel than the 14.5CC. And the 14.5 lends itself better to suppressed usage. Which is why they were getting rid of the 16" ACC. I also remember the published weight of the 14.5CC upper used to be equal or > than the 16" ACC even though it was shorter. So I always thought the 14.5CC had more of a midweight barrel. Looking now though, the 14.5 on the website is listed as weighting < the 16" ACC, and both state a light profile. So maybe the new 14.5CC is a lighter profile than the original? A lot of the old info and discussions were nuked, so I can't readily find it anymore. If your reasoning is correct I guess this would mean the 14.5" creed upper will be a thicker profile than the 14.5" 308 upper. Originally Posted By AndysAR15name: Originally Posted By dmtsc: I would say the profile doesn’t lend itself to dimples, I’ve got an cc and can see why no dimples as they would be really shallow, I recall a discussion here about how the 16" ACC would start stringing shots sooner than the 14.5CC since the 16" ACC had a lighter profile barrel than the 14.5CC. And the 14.5 lends itself better to suppressed usage. Which is why they were getting rid of the 16" ACC. I also remember the published weight of the 14.5CC upper used to be equal or > than the 16" ACC even though it was shorter. So I always thought the 14.5CC had more of a midweight barrel. Looking now though, the 14.5 on the website is listed as weighting < the 16" ACC, and both state a light profile. So maybe the new 14.5CC is a lighter profile than the original? A lot of the old info and discussions were nuked, so I can't readily find it anymore. If your reasoning is correct I guess this would mean the 14.5" creed upper will be a thicker profile than the 14.5" 308 upper. You might be absolutely correct. I know I’m going to try and get one of the SR-25k3’s and possibly SR-25a2. |
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Originally Posted By dmtsc: You might be absolutely correct. I know I’m going to try and get one of the SR-25k3’s and possibly SR-25a2. Yeah lots of good options for sure. I’ve been trying to convince myself I need something else, but the 14.5 fills all the heavy frame needs I have. And I hate to spend KAC money and have stuff sit in the safe. I’ll be interested to see what availability realistically is on some of this stuff as well. |
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Originally Posted By m6z: I'm curious if they're going to attempt to make enough product to satisfy demand. Are the urx4 handguards discontinued? Did the urx5 ever hit the market? This. Its somewhat difficult to assess how KAC "feels" about the commercial market. You hear positive gestures from time to time from key personnel, but production has never really gotten to the level of being able to support this segment, and a high percentage of components that do make it to vendors, go out of stock basically immediately and a flipped on various boards for a significant premium. I used to be a big fan of Knights, and I still think they put out a great product, but at this point, I'm just not interested in doing a lord of the rings style adventure to just get an upper or muzzle device. If I can go online to KAC's online store and simply order a K3 or K6 upper for retail, and have it show up to my house in 2 or 3 months, I would order one now. If it turns out, i need find a vendor who has an order placed, who has no delivery estimate, who won't take preorders, and the order will go live either when I am sleeping or at work, go out of stock, be relisted on tacswap for a 50% mark up, ill pass. Honest question for KAC staff, have you guys considered doing a Staccato style expedited order fee for like $250. MSRP plus fee would still be cheaper for the end user, and more profitable for Knights. I would do that far before I go down the current vendor drop shit show. |
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: This. Its somewhat difficult to assess how KAC "feels" about the commercial market. You hear positive gestures from time to time from key personnel, but production has never really gotten to the level of being able to support this segment, and a high percentage of components that do make it to vendors, go out of stock basically immediately and a flipped on various boards for a significant premium. I used to be a big fan of Knights, and I still think they put out a great product, but at this point, I'm just not interested in doing a lord of the rings style adventure to just get an upper or muzzle device. If I can go online to KAC's online store and simply order a K3 or K6 upper for retail, and have it show up to my house in 2 or 3 months, I would order one now. If it turns out, i need find a vendor who has an order placed, who has no delivery estimate, who won't take preorders, and the order will go live either when I am sleeping or at work, go out of stock, be relisted on tacswap for a 50% mark up, ill pass. Honest question for KAC staff, have you guys considered doing a Staccato style expedited order fee for like $250. MSRP plus fee would still be cheaper for the end user, and more profitable for Knights. I would do that far before I go down the current vendor drop shit show. Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: Originally Posted By m6z: I'm curious if they're going to attempt to make enough product to satisfy demand. Are the urx4 handguards discontinued? Did the urx5 ever hit the market? This. Its somewhat difficult to assess how KAC "feels" about the commercial market. You hear positive gestures from time to time from key personnel, but production has never really gotten to the level of being able to support this segment, and a high percentage of components that do make it to vendors, go out of stock basically immediately and a flipped on various boards for a significant premium. I used to be a big fan of Knights, and I still think they put out a great product, but at this point, I'm just not interested in doing a lord of the rings style adventure to just get an upper or muzzle device. If I can go online to KAC's online store and simply order a K3 or K6 upper for retail, and have it show up to my house in 2 or 3 months, I would order one now. If it turns out, i need find a vendor who has an order placed, who has no delivery estimate, who won't take preorders, and the order will go live either when I am sleeping or at work, go out of stock, be relisted on tacswap for a 50% mark up, ill pass. Honest question for KAC staff, have you guys considered doing a Staccato style expedited order fee for like $250. MSRP plus fee would still be cheaper for the end user, and more profitable for Knights. I would do that far before I go down the current vendor drop shit show. Or the vendor will skip dropping it entirely and throw it on Gunbroker the second it comes in |
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Originally Posted By bm7465: Or the vendor will skip dropping it entirely and throw it on Gunbroker the second it comes in Yup, and those I don't do business with just out of principle, which includes one local to me. I'll second that if production gets up, I'd love to be able to buy uppers direct, and I'd have no issues with pre-ordering and waiting. It eliminates the stupid and scalpers. Here's hoping 2025 is a very good year for Knight's. |
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Originally Posted By John_Oldman: Yup, and those I don't do business with just out of principle, which includes one local to me. I'll second that if production gets up, I'd love to be able to buy uppers direct, and I'd have no issues with pre-ordering and waiting. It eliminates the stupid and scalpers. Here's hoping 2025 is a very good year for Knight's. I agree. The dealers are really what turned me off Knights. |
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: This. Its somewhat difficult to assess how KAC "feels" about the commercial market. You hear positive gestures from time to time from key personnel, but production has never really gotten to the level of being able to support this segment, and a high percentage of components that do make it to vendors, go out of stock basically immediately and a flipped on various boards for a significant premium. I used to be a big fan of Knights, and I still think they put out a great product, but at this point, I'm just not interested in doing a lord of the rings style adventure to just get an upper or muzzle device. If I can go online to KAC's online store and simply order a K3 or K6 upper for retail, and have it show up to my house in 2 or 3 months, I would order one now. If it turns out, i need find a vendor who has an order placed, who has no delivery estimate, who won't take preorders, and the order will go live either when I am sleeping or at work, go out of stock, be relisted on tacswap for a 50% mark up, ill pass. Honest question for KAC staff, have you guys considered doing a Staccato style expedited order fee for like $250. MSRP plus fee would still be cheaper for the end user, and more profitable for Knights. I would do that far before I go down the current vendor drop shit show. For some reason, I have little hope that they would have the means to properly combat bots and scalpers, but I could be proven wrong. |
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Originally Posted By PacificNic: For some reason, I have little hope that they would have the means to properly combat bots and scalpers, but I could be proven wrong. You may be right, but I would only offer than there are anti bot solutions out there that could mitigate a portion of this issue, Scalpers could be mitigate through a product registration portal that all you to order a limited amount of components annually for your SN/platform. I dont think these are heavy lifts, and KAC doesn't really owe anybody anything, just an observation that there may be better ways to conduct buisness in 2025. If they can get stuff to market cool, I would support them. |
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Originally Posted By m6z: I'm curious if they're going to attempt to make enough product to satisfy demand. Are the urx4 handguards discontinued? Did the urx5 ever hit the market? We have a pretty significant production schedule planned solely to meet commercial demand. The URX4 handguards are basically discontinued after the standing backlog is satisfied. There is no "URX5", I assume you are referring to the FF RAS 5 as seen on some 11.5" SR-16s. We do have a run of those planned for 2025. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: We have a pretty significant production schedule planned solely to meet commercial demand. The URX4 handguards are basically discontinued after the standing backlog is satisfied. There is no "URX5", I assume you are referring to the FF RAS 5 as seen on some 11.5" SR-16s. We do have a run of those planned for 2025. @Jack_L can we expect the new SR-25s around the same time as the KS civilian releases or is that something thats still a ways out |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: We have a pretty significant production schedule planned solely to meet commercial demand. The URX4 handguards are basically discontinued after the standing backlog is satisfied. There is no "URX5", I assume you are referring to the FF RAS 5 as seen on some 11.5" SR-16s. We do have a run of those planned for 2025. What about the URX 2 and 3.1? |
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Originally Posted By OlacAttack: @Jack_L can we expect the new SR-25s around the same time as the KS civilian releases or is that something thats still a ways out We have them planned, but until they go into boxes they aren't real. In an effort to avoid giving bad info, the most I can say is that unless something goes very wrong, they will start to be out in mid-2025. |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: What about the URX 2 and 3.1? 3.1 was discontinued a while ago, with no plans for another run. URX2 only exists for M110SASS, and they too are effectively discontinued as we are focused on current generation products. That doesn't mean that they will never be commercially released again, but at present there is no plan for them other than overages. |
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Apologies if this answer is right in front of my face... I understand this list is of the new SR25 upper lineup. Will there be full/complete rifles released or just uppers with regards to URX6? If not or not now, does that mean that the legacy SR25 lowers will remain the standard? Another poster asked whether or not any new SR25 lowers were to be legacy or full ambi. Has that been answered? Again, if so, I missed it. ETA: Disregard. I found my answer. I don't know why I needed to do forensic work on Google to find it but I found my answer! Now, when do the stand alone new lowers get released? This year? Is there a 'list' to get on? I don't 'know someone'... 
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Originally Posted By ChandlerKJ: Apologies if this answer is right in front of my face... I understand this list is of the new SR25 upper lineup. Will there be full/complete rifles released or just uppers with regards to URX6? If not or not now, does that mean that the legacy SR25 lowers will remain the standard? Another poster asked whether or not any new SR25 lowers were to be legacy or full ambi. Has that been answered? Again, if so, I missed it. ETA: Disregard. I found my answer. I don't know why I needed to do forensic work on Google to find it but I found my answer! Now, when do the stand alone new lowers get released? This year? Is there a 'list' to get on? I don't 'know someone'... When appropriate, we will release marketing material on the new line. Stand-alone lower receiver kits are planned, but will follow full rifle release by current plan. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: We have them planned, but until they go into boxes they aren't real. In an effort to avoid giving bad info, the most I can say is that unless something goes very wrong, they will start to be out in mid-2025. Any update on mid-2025 or has this been pushed? |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: When appropriate, we will release marketing material on the new line. Stand-alone lower receiver kits are planned, but will follow full rifle release by current plan. Originally Posted By Jack_L: Originally Posted By ChandlerKJ: Apologies if this answer is right in front of my face... I understand this list is of the new SR25 upper lineup. Will there be full/complete rifles released or just uppers with regards to URX6? If not or not now, does that mean that the legacy SR25 lowers will remain the standard? Another poster asked whether or not any new SR25 lowers were to be legacy or full ambi. Has that been answered? Again, if so, I missed it. ETA: Disregard. I found my answer. I don't know why I needed to do forensic work on Google to find it but I found my answer! Now, when do the stand alone new lowers get released? This year? Is there a 'list' to get on? I don't 'know someone'... When appropriate, we will release marketing material on the new line. Stand-alone lower receiver kits are planned, but will follow full rifle release by current plan. Jack, thank you. Legacy SR25 lowers will work with these new uppers, correct? The new lineup of URX6 uppers are to come first as indicated by the release of the 22" 6.5CM uppers and the first few posts of this thread? |
| IIRC A3 uppers were a rollover from the SR-25 PR 22" 6.5CM that never came out and have been somewhat available in recent months. Whenever I talk to KAC, they say rifles first then uppers/lowers to follow. The new lowers are cut the same so new lowers and last-gen lowers are cross-compatible. |
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Originally Posted By PacificNic: IIRC A3 uppers were a rollover from the SR-25 PR 22" 6.5CM that never came out and have been somewhat available in recent months. Whenever I talk to KAC, they say rifles first then uppers/lowers to follow. The new lowers are cut the same so new lowers and last-gen lowers are cross-compatible. Awesome, thank you for answering my question! |
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Originally Posted By bimmertech87: With no overall intended purpose is there a preference between the k3 and k5 then? I know in the old days the 14.5 acc was preferred unless chasing accuracy and you wanted the extra bit of weight. Honestly, that is probably more of a personal preference as to whether you want to deal with NFA hassle or not since P&W makes these a pain to take apart and a braced SR-25 sounds wrong. Also K3 has dimples and K5 does not if that matters to you lol |
| Yea that was all considered when I typed out my question. I wouldn’t do a brace or p/w so I would have to sbr the 14.5 but that’s no big deal just a bit of extra expense (will we see factory sbr’s or have to form 1?). I really like the idea of the dimples on a 16” gun but curious what the weight difference between the two will be? I feel like the real deciding factor is the difference in barrel material. |
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Originally Posted By bimmertech87: Yea that was all considered when I typed out my question. I wouldn’t do a brace or p/w so I would have to sbr the 14.5 but that’s no big deal just a bit of extra expense (will we see factory sbr’s or have to form 1?). I really like the idea of the dimples on a 16” gun but curious what the weight difference between the two will be? I feel like the real deciding factor is the difference in barrel material. I have a 14.5 SBR. It's my favorite gun without a doubt. You just have to be real purposeful with your plans for it. If you get a 14.5 and then put on a full size suppressor and light and huge optic, you may as well have just gone with a dimpled 16". It's pretty much a stationary rig at that point and shaving that 1.5" isn't going to matter in actual usage. |
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Originally Posted By bimmertech87: If I went 14.5 it would get a Kahles 1-8 if I went with the 16” it would most likely get a s&b ultra short. Yeah man, something like the Kahles 1-8 and the new 7.62 suppressor that's gonna be lighter would be sweet on a 14.5. Mine feels like a slightly overgassed small frame gun. Would you go with the K18i-1 or the new K18i-2? I have been eyeballing the 2, but not much info is out there. |
| I really don’t know much about the Kahles yet just it’s what everyone is saying is the best in class so figured it would be a good pairing to try it out on. I’m excited for the new offerings. Seems like stuff has been teased about the K series updates for 5 years now. Ive kept waiting to jump into a sr25 because I didnt want to over pay for the apc/acc series stuff right before the new stuff drops. Just didn’t expect it to take this long. |
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