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SBR FAQ (Page 9 of 27)
Figured as much. :) After I got 2 copies printed that way, they looked so much better. How do I affix the passport photo, with tape? |
2-sided tape. Don't even bother with glue sticks, it may work OK for paper to paper, but not photo paper to paper, it peels off way to easy. |
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| Two questions. How old do you have to be to own an SBR? and If I had it rregistered to say a family member, can you transfer a SBR within a family like you can transfer a normal firearm, you not having to pay a fee? So what I'm asking is can you transfer the gun to an imediate family member without paying the $200 tax? |
21 for all NFA items. Any transfer of possession requires payment of $200 tax. I beleive even inheritance requires $200, but i am not positive on that. |
Isaiah 16:11 "Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp..."
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Estate transfers are tax-free via a Form 5. Otherwise, you're correct, every individual-to-individual transfer requires payment of the $200 transfer tax. So unless the family members dies and you can give BATF a copy of their death certificate, you'll have to pay the additional $200 tax. |
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You would still have to meet the legal restrictions on possesing the firearm, so you could not, but any other officers that meet the age requirements can. It would not be a way around possesing that which you could not otherwise, ie: felon, too young, etc Cheers, Dave |
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Question....Still can't figure it out. I have a Bushmaster with an 11.5" bbl and 5.5" permanent flash hider. I'm planning on removing my FH and converting it into an SBR. If I measure the rifle OAL it would still be (when I remove the FH) 26.25 "with the stock collapsed and 30.25" with it extended. Which measurement should I write on the paperwork? Thanks/Al |
ATF measures with the stock extended. That's what was put on mine. Also, for those printing out photos on photo paper: i had a problem printing pics. They always smeared, no matter what kind of photo paper or settings. Normally i print the photos directly on the form. But my dealer didn't delete the text, so that's not an option. So, i printed out photos, and taped over the top with clear packing tape. Then trimmed the photo to fit. It keeps the glossy appearance, but won't smear. Looks great on my forms. Then just hit em up with double sided tape and you're good to go! |
Isaiah 16:11 "Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp..."
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
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Reading through all 16 pages I can't find a definitive answer about what to put in 4b for Type of Firearm: is SBR sufficient or should it be "short barreled rifle" spelled out? Thanks |
"That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me! You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make here in a month."
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The electronic form available at titleii.com uses Short Bbl Rifle. I just got one back yesterday (approved Dec 23) from BTAF like this. If you are not using the electronic form, you should. It's really convenient. Look in the tacked thread at the top of this forum for all the NFA forms. -JT |
I found out today that my CLEO won’t sign. I do have an S-Corp, however, it was setup for my computer consulting business, not related to firearms. Would I be able to purchase an SBR through my S-Corp? If so, my first purchase will be a M169, which is a suppressed SBR upper. Will I need to get two stamps, one for the sbr and one for the suppressor? Can the S-Corp purchase the suppressor, or do different rules apply to suppressors. Edit I do realize that it will require a designated lower. |
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An MP5SD (last I heard) requires 2 stamps even though the can is perm attached..... I thought about the same thing as you did but maybe if the OAL of the barrel/can combo is over 16" then no prob |
'In other words it's a huge shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite'
As I understand it the M169 will be 14.5 with suppressor - I guess I'll need both. |
It was my understanding that when a CLEO refusal to sign off (assuming you are legally able to own an SBR in your state etc) you can petition the ATF to accept your Form without the signature or you can use an alternate person to sign it. They have to do this as its written in the law. Edit: found this in another thrad.
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Ok, I have been reading this thread and still see conflicting advice. I am looking into building a SBR here in PA. Should have no issues with my background or having CLEO sign off. A Class III dealer around here went over the Form I with me and after reading some of this tread, I'm not sure he knows what the hell he's talking about. For instance, he said I would have to have the complete rifle assembled prior to approval. Said I am registering the rifle, not just the receiver. Sounds like BS to me. Next, for the OAL, he said to measure with the stock completely collapsed. Makes sense to me, but this needs to be measured fully open (from what I gather on this thread), right??? Next is the multiple caliber/ barrel length issue. I was trying to register one receiver that I could have a 11.5' .223 upper and also a 9mm/ barrel length unknown as of right now upper that I could swap back and forth. He said I could do this also by filling out caliber as .223/9mm, barrel length as 11.5/? and overal lenghth as whatever it would be for both uppers. From what I read again, looks like this won't work. Is it still possible to have a SBR that you can legally swap uppers hence changing OAL, barrel length, and caliber. I'm new to this like alot of others and nervous as hell about screwing something uo and going to jail I just want this to go as smooth as possible and leave me with the most options in the end. Any help would be great. Anyone from PA, especially in York county that has done this, please feel free to post here or IM/ email me directly. I am nervous about trusting my local dealers on this. Thanks, Terry
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Just put the serial number on the Form 1 of the lower that will be on the SBR. Do NOT assemble an SBR before your approved paperwork comes back. You're dealer is ignorant of the law.
OAL is measured with the stock fully EXTENDED (at least for federal purposes.)
It used to be possible to list multiple barrel lengths and calibers on the Form 1, but recently the BATF has been returning forms unapproved that are done in this manner. Just list your preferred barrel's length/caliber and list it ONLY. You are free to swap uppers at will without notifying the BATF each time. Everything discussed above is legal, so don't fret it. You don't even need a class 3 dealer to file a Form 1, so forget any advice that the dealer you've had contact with has told you. Just do it yourself and remember: the sooner you get your paperwork sent in, the sooner you'll get it back approved. 
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I looked thru the whole thread and didnt see what I wanted to know so I will post another question or two in here. First, if I buy a Colf FACTORY built SBR LE6933 do I have to still engrave it or since it leaves Colt as an SBR can I skip defacing a beautifull gun? Second IF I fill out a form 5320.20 and I want to use it for 3 gun matches in neighboring states is it legal if the state I travel to does not allow the sale of SBR's like Illinois? |
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For the first question. I know if you order a factory SBR it is already marked by the manufacturer (Colt) so you would not need to engrave it. I do not know the answer to the second question but my guess would be you probably can't use the SBR in a state that does not allow them. I do know you can transport an NFA item across a state to get to your legal destination. |
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I'm just filling out my Form 1 and I have a few questions. This is a Corp application - in 3b Applicant's name and Mailing address I put the business name only - right? Like this: Acme Inc. 10 Main St SmallTown, State 01010 Not: John Smith 10 Main St SmallTown, State 01010 or: John Smith Acme Inc. 10 Main St SmallTown, State 01010 Also, in 4H (Additional description) do I put details regarding the required markings that will be put on the weapon. In this case: "Acme Inc. Smalltown, ST" or do I just leave it blank? Also, for 4i (State why you intend to make this firearm) I know "firearms collector" is common for individuals, whats a commonly used reason for Corps/Trusts? |
What do you need to do if you want to change the barrel length (and/or caliber) on an factory SBR? Also, which manufacturers besides Colt make and sell factory SBR ARs? LMT? Bushie? |
LMT doesnt/wont sell complete rifles directly to civilians. |
Originally Posted By Aimless:
I would think a good, experienced hunter would have a big advantage (at being a sniper), but deer don't call down mortar fire on your position after you bowl one over.
I would think a good, experienced hunter would have a big advantage (at being a sniper), but deer don't call down mortar fire on your position after you bowl one over.
No, but they will sell to LEOs and Military. Unfortunately, after contacting them, I was informed that LMT does NOT register rifles as SBRs. Nor does Bushmaster. |
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My form was kicked back today for the two same reasons a few of yalls have beenheSo from what I gather from (please list only one caliber in 4C + list additional calibers in 4H), is that I would not have to submit a "Letter" if Iwanted to swap uppers, but only if I wanted to swap uppers with a barrel length shorter or longer (less than 16") than what will be approved on my Form 1(I'm being optimistic here). Once I correct and re-send. I've seen other posts here stating that you need to send a letter stating, That it may be configured with either a 7, 11.5, or 14.5" barrel. Has this work for anybody here? If it has, how was the letter written, where did you send it, did you get an approved signed copy of some sort, and I assume that you would have to keep a copy with the tax stamp? |
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This thread is extremely helpful, but also discouraging. If I understand it correctly, someone with a business front would be better off trying to get a title 2 (IIRC) firearms manufacturing license. (The one that allows manufacturing of NFA items I believe.) How does one go about that, and is there a link to any informative websites any where? |
Yes I would like to know also. I will be filing as a living trust so collector may work but I would like to know what is the "norm" for this field. 
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Asset to the Corp/Trust/LLC. |
Listing which guns you own in your sig line is gay.
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Do you put your name and address in box 4(h) since you have to engrave the receiver with that information??? Sorry, I've read through this thread a few times and have not found an answer! |
"How long do you have to make the right decision in a gunfight? The rest of your life." Instructor Sutton, Blackwater Training Facility
Leave 4h blank - it is optional |
Thanks! I am SO sick of this stupid form! But I know it'll be worth it all! Thanks again! 
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"How long do you have to make the right decision in a gunfight? The rest of your life." Instructor Sutton, Blackwater Training Facility
I'm also curious about this...If a rifle is SBR'd for 7.5", how do we legally go about putting on an 11.5" bbl?, or any other length longer than the initial 7.5" |
It's not that I can't spell...I just don't wanna spell.
M4Madness answered that question on page 16 (middle of the page or so).
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Listing which guns you own in your sig line is gay.
I don't see how it could hurt to list your C&R FFL # in that space. I personally didn't though. You are correct about line 4H. |
Listing which guns you own in your sig line is gay.
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SBR FAQ (Page 9 of 27)
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