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Posted: 10/25/2022 11:27:51 AM EDT
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At lgs, I’ve handled new Ruger LC carbine in 5.7 and I noticed that they designed the grip/fire control part to swing out. I have a feeling that they’ll probably make a LC in 9mm and it would be nice if they made one to accept glock mags. What do you guys think? I know they already have PC rifle but I like the LC design, plus the folding stock. |
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It's a good idea, but I suspect the reason Ruger doesn't do it is because of the difficulty in making the grip modular. They would have to choose between their proprietary 9mm magazines (thus excluding most of the marketplace) or Glock magazines (thus excluding the Ruger product). They couldn't do both, as with the current PCC. |
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Originally Posted By wombat25: It's a good idea, but I suspect the reason Ruger doesn't do it is because of the difficulty in making the grip modular. They would have to choose between their proprietary 9mm magazines (thus excluding most of the marketplace) or Glock magazines (thus excluding the Ruger product). They couldn't do both, as with the current PCC. Is the grip the frame on these guns? I haven’t looked at these guns but they sure look like you could have another lower that fit different mags easily enough. |
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Originally Posted By wombat25: It's a good idea, but I suspect the reason Ruger doesn't do it is because of the difficulty in making the grip modular. They would have to choose between their proprietary 9mm magazines (thus excluding most of the marketplace) or Glock magazines (thus excluding the Ruger product). They couldn't do both, as with the current PCC. They don't have to make the grip modular. They just have to make multiple grip modules for different magazines. A Security magwell, a Glock magwell, a whatever forgettable Ruger 9 name magwell. Everyone buys the Glock magwell, and eventually Ruger comes out w/ a Gen 3 Glock clone. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: In the quite successful Ruger PC Carbine line. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: This is available in 45ACP now. Really wondering where the 9mm version is. Especially in the LC Charger platform. In the quite successful Ruger PC Carbine line. |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Not at all the same thing. LC Carbine has the mag in the pistol grip, not a separate mag well. Appears to me to make a huge difference in balance as well as how it handles. Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: This is available in 45ACP now. Really wondering where the 9mm version is. Especially in the LC Charger platform. In the quite successful Ruger PC Carbine line. Not at all the same thing. LC Carbine has the mag in the pistol grip, not a separate mag well. Appears to me to make a huge difference in balance as well as how it handles. Oh, I understand the differences. The PC Carbine line has been making money for several years already, why would Ruger introduce a product to compete with their already profitable rifle that occupies a very similar space in the market? |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Because I want one?  You and 87 other dudes who want to buy a Ruger that feeds through the pistol grip instead of the less expensive PCCs already on the market that feed through the pistol grip & are already less expensive than the Ruger PCC? |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: You and 87 other dudes who want to buy a Ruger that feeds through the pistol grip instead of the less expensive PCCs already on the market that feed through the pistol grip & are already less expensive than the Ruger PCC? Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Because I want one? You and 87 other dudes who want to buy a Ruger that feeds through the pistol grip instead of the less expensive PCCs already on the market that feed through the pistol grip & are already less expensive than the Ruger PCC? I think it would do fine. First thing I said when KelTec came out with the CMR30 was that they should do a 9mm. |
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 The PC Charger pistol: Interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger and Glock magazines. Ships with SR-Series /Security-9 pistol magazine well installed and an additional magazine well accepting Glock magazines is included*. Ruger American Pistol magazine wells are available at ShopRuger.com.  The LC Charger pistol  The 45acp LC Carbine https://ruger.com/products/lcCarbine/specSheets/19309.html |
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox: https://ruger.com/productImages/29100/detail/1.jpg The PC pistol: Interchangeable magazine wells for use of common Ruger and Glock magazines. Ships with SR-Series /Security-9 pistol magazine well installed and an additional magazine well accepting Glock magazines is included*. Ruger American Pistol magazine wells are available at ShopRuger.com. A similarly built LC pistol would be significantly lighter and shorter. I love my PC Carbine and wish I’d waited for the charger before buying a second but it’s got some downsides. |
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Ruger announced LC Carbine in 10mm. Can't wait to hear the excuses (too expensive, barrel too long, etc.) BTW, the weight is exactly the same as the .45 ACP version - 7.1 lbs. https://ruger.com/products/lcCarbine/specSheets/19307.html |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I'm realllllly hoping we get one in 9mm that takes glock mags. Thats pretty much the ideal format for '9mm MP7 we have at home' build; all PCC's should be 'mag in grip' format.  AR9s and MP5 clones are very difficult to make that way.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: AR9s and MP5 clones are very difficult to make that way.Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I'm realllllly hoping we get one in 9mm that takes glock mags. Thats pretty much the ideal format for '9mm MP7 we have at home' build; all PCC's should be 'mag in grip' format. AR9s and MP5 clones are very difficult to make that way.Exactly  The length advantage of going mag in grip is almost as good as bullpup (30" vs 26-27"); when stock is folded on the LC it will be shorter then a bullpup.  Mag forward designs completely squander this huge design advantage afforded by pistol caliber mags. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Exactly The length advantage of going mag in grip is almost as good as bullpup (30" vs 26-27"); when stock is folded on the LC it will be shorter then a bullpup. https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/img_1025-jpg.412900/ Mag forward designs completely squander this huge design advantage afforded by pistol caliber mags. Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I'm realllllly hoping we get one in 9mm that takes glock mags. Thats pretty much the ideal format for '9mm MP7 we have at home' build; all PCC's should be 'mag in grip' format. AR9s and MP5 clones are very difficult to make that way.Exactly The length advantage of going mag in grip is almost as good as bullpup (30" vs 26-27"); when stock is folded on the LC it will be shorter then a bullpup. https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/img_1025-jpg.412900/ Mag forward designs completely squander this huge design advantage afforded by pistol caliber mags. Did you drill your Gen 2 stock for a sling QD socket? Why wait on a folding stock Ruger when the Gen 3 SUB is out now, & you can move yer red dot over from your JRC. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Mag forward designs completely squander this huge design advantage afforded by pistol caliber mags. Sorry, late to the party, but amen! Shame we get so many boring copy paste PCC designs yet so few mag-in-grip format. Count me in for a 9mm LC Charger. The PC is an abomination ergonomically and aesthetically. I hope the RXM is an indicator that Ruger is willing to partially cannibalize other sales for a fundamentally better design. Heck, even a 22lr version of the LC would be more appealing to me than any of the current three calibers, and I can't imagine it'd threaten the 10/22s throne. That all said, I expect Flux to drop their RXM Raider before we ever see a 9mm LC, which, while certainly not identical and an LC would still have some advantages, would quench most of my thirst for the "9mm MP7 we have at home" |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: They don't have to make the grip modular. They just have to make multiple grip modules for different magazines. A Security magwell, a Glock magwell, a whatever forgettable Ruger 9 name magwell. Everyone buys the Glock magwell, and eventually Ruger comes out w/ a Gen 3 Glock clone. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By wombat25: It's a good idea, but I suspect the reason Ruger doesn't do it is because of the difficulty in making the grip modular. They would have to choose between their proprietary 9mm magazines (thus excluding most of the marketplace) or Glock magazines (thus excluding the Ruger product). They couldn't do both, as with the current PCC. They don't have to make the grip modular. They just have to make multiple grip modules for different magazines. A Security magwell, a Glock magwell, a whatever forgettable Ruger 9 name magwell. Everyone buys the Glock magwell, and eventually Ruger comes out w/ a Gen 3 Glock clone.  Well, I'm kinda pleased with myself.
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