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Proper wear of Hard Armor (with anatomical diagrams) (Page 2 of 3)
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Free bump cause I just came back to this again its so good.
For those of us who don't wear plates with any regularity and haven't been able to get trained with them. Dont forget that you should now be in the mindset of squaring up into more of an isosceles as opposed to the arfcom classic blading at 45 (weaver). Many excellent Officers and Im sure Service Members as well gave their lives in the line after setting up at an angle like we all are generally familiar with, only to take a slug in the ribs or shoulder that would come to rest in their heart  .
Always much better to take them in the chest and wake up in a hospital bed alive and squeeze a pillow against your ribs for a couple weeks straight to be able to breath while your ribs heal up then the altenative. |
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With all of the current talk of body armor and plates, it seems like this needs to be back up top. So up ye go! |
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Originally Posted By JRas:
Largest SAPI plate is XL at 11x14 No way that is covering some big guys chested / fat guys What do those users do to get sufficent coverage? The organs to be covered are about the same size as a smaller figured person. Plates are to keep you alive, not keep you from getting hurt. They should cover the heart, the great vessels, and the important parts of the lungs, particularly the primary and secondary bronchi, and maybe protect the liver and diaphragm as well as possible, with an additional interest in protecting as much of the lungs as possible. Anything else covered in addition to that is just a bonus. Nothing else is needed, as that's beyond the capabilities of hard armor. An XL SAPI will cover the sections that are needed, even if it doesn't make the exterior landmarks given for an "average" person. Again, plates keep you from dying immediately, not keep you from getting hurt. If you're hit in the gut you'll probably live, provided that you get to a good OR within a reasonable time. Same thing if you're hit on the fringes of your lung, or what have you. It sure won't be comfortable, but you'll probably live. |
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By osha:
Think this needs a bump, no? Yes. should be made a sticky.....of all armor threads i've read this one needs not to be archived! great information for us 13'ers and newbs alike OP, i feel this gives a good basis of information to start from in the quest for armor. |
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Originally Posted By LiquidRisc81:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By osha:
Think this needs a bump, no? Yes. should be made a sticky.....of all armor threads i've read this one needs not to be archived! great information for us 13'ers and newbs alike OP, i feel this gives a good basis of information to start from in the quest for armor. holy fuck Feb 2013 with 565 posts 
I agree, make this a sticky |
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I've been using size large plates for a while (44 inch chest). When I punch out with a handgun the outer areas of my pecs near the shoulders contract, very much like when doing chest fly exercises. The contracting movement causes my pecs to push up against the sides of my plates at the slant cuts and pushes the plates off of my chest. Is that fine or is it a sign that my plates are too big?
I don't have medium plates but I tried a cardboard cut out of medium sized plates and it seems to be less effected by my pectoral muscles, however I find that my nipples are not covered all the way as in the diagram. I'd like to hear some responses, thank you. |
| Probably should start another thread but...what carrier are you using and what kind of plate cut is it? I'm bigger then you by an inch and can't reproduce what you're talking about. |
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Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Probably should start another thread but...what carrier are you using and what kind of plate cut is it? I'm bigger then you by an inch and can't reproduce what you're talking about. JPC, SAPI cut with IIIA backers, actually I think I might've identified what is going on. I think I'm pushing the handgun too far forward causing my shoulders to roll forward and causing this. I'll play with this some more. |
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Originally Posted By patriot_man:
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Probably should start another thread but...what carrier are you using and what kind of plate cut is it? I'm bigger then you by an inch and can't reproduce what you're talking about. JPC, SAPI cut with IIIA backers, actually I think I might've identified what is going on. I think I'm pushing the handgun too far forward causing my shoulders to roll forward and causing this. I'll play with this some more. A smaller plate may mitigate this but unless it is causing you problems while shooting I doubt I'd change anything. |
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A little bit of an update. I managed to try a size medium plate and it is way better for me. I was basically going with a large to fully cover my nipples, including the areola, as shown in the diagram but in the end medium is definitely the right size for me, even with my 45 inch chest.
This was a sizing chart that MSA Paraclete had on their site a few years back and based on this I fall directly into the medium plate size category. 
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Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
The organs to be covered are about the same size as a smaller figured person. Plates are to keep you alive, not keep you from getting hurt. They should cover the heart, the great vessels, and the important parts of the lungs, particularly the primary and secondary bronchi, and maybe protect the liver and diaphragm as well as possible, with an additional interest in protecting as much of the lungs as possible. Anything else covered in addition to that is just a bonus. Nothing else is needed, as that's beyond the capabilities of hard armor. An XL SAPI will cover the sections that are needed, even if it doesn't make the exterior landmarks given for an "average" person. Again, plates keep you from dying immediately, not keep you from getting hurt. If you're hit in the gut you'll probably live, provided that you get to a good OR within a reasonable time. Same thing if you're hit on the fringes of your lung, or what have you. It sure won't be comfortable, but you'll probably live. Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
Originally Posted By JRas:
Largest SAPI plate is XL at 11x14 No way that is covering some big guys chested / fat guys What do those users do to get sufficent coverage? The organs to be covered are about the same size as a smaller figured person. Plates are to keep you alive, not keep you from getting hurt. They should cover the heart, the great vessels, and the important parts of the lungs, particularly the primary and secondary bronchi, and maybe protect the liver and diaphragm as well as possible, with an additional interest in protecting as much of the lungs as possible. Anything else covered in addition to that is just a bonus. Nothing else is needed, as that's beyond the capabilities of hard armor. An XL SAPI will cover the sections that are needed, even if it doesn't make the exterior landmarks given for an "average" person. Again, plates keep you from dying immediately, not keep you from getting hurt. If you're hit in the gut you'll probably live, provided that you get to a good OR within a reasonable time. Same thing if you're hit on the fringes of your lung, or what have you. It sure won't be comfortable, but you'll probably live. Exactly, getting shot anywhere is not going to be comfortable. |
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Originally Posted By patriot_man:
A little bit of an update. I managed to try a size medium plate and it is way better for me. I was basically going with a large to fully cover my nipples, including the areola, as shown in the diagram but in the end medium is definitely the right size for me, even with my 45 inch chest. This was a sizing chart that MSA Paraclete had on their site a few years back and based on this I fall directly into the medium plate size category. http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/patriot_man/160a6g8_zpsc3e0d51e.png Medium long seems like a perfect size for the average person. |
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Medium long seems like a perfect size for the average person. Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
A little bit of an update. I managed to try a size medium plate and it is way better for me. I was basically going with a large to fully cover my nipples, including the areola, as shown in the diagram but in the end medium is definitely the right size for me, even with my 45 inch chest. This was a sizing chart that MSA Paraclete had on their site a few years back and based on this I fall directly into the medium plate size category. http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g338/patriot_man/160a6g8_zpsc3e0d51e.png Medium long seems like a perfect size for the average person. I just measured my torso out, and yeah, I would almost agree. Technically a Medium (regular) would probably cover far enough down to include the diaphragm etc...but when I last got fitted for a concealable LE-type ballistic vest, I insisted on extra length, because I just feel a bit naked when I have a big gap in coverage 'round my middle. And I'm a slender guy, 6' and ~150lb or so. |
Proper wear of Hard Armor (with anatomical diagrams) (Page 2 of 3)
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