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Posted: 6/4/2015 4:07:26 PM EDT
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Some of you may be thinking "Yeah those things are the cat's ass, I've had them for awhile". Well, this review is not for you. This is for you cheap asses that put off buying them for whatever reason.
For a long time, I would collect my brass into a bucket and spend some time sitting in front of the TV, grabbing a handful at a time and sorting the cases into stack-able containers picked up for cheap at the dollar store. I currently only load pistol brass, which isn't quite as easy to sort out as rifle calibers (to a point). Usually my brass comes from USPSA or GSSF matches, occasionally a trip to a pickup friendly indoor range, so it's almost always only pistol cases. This worked out well for quite awhile, only occasionally picking up large quantities. Last year I worked a GSSF match and was able to fill 5 gallon bucket about 3/4 of the way up. Took me over a week, little by little, to sort it out. "Why don't you buy these sorter things?" What?! Those bucket lids with slots cut in them? What the hell makes those worth $50? I don't need those. And life went on. As I started shooting more, the brass sorting got old pretty quickly. I would seldom end up with much more than a coffee can or bread bag full by shooting pistol matches, but this year's GSSF match yielded a full five gallon bucket swept up in just a few minutes of range tear down. 
I was driving home and thinking, "SCORE!" but then started thinking about sorting it, and dreading the task. It was time. Enter the set from Shell SorterTM: 
I ordered from Amazon, paying just over $50 shipped for the set of three. They work very simple, the .45 (yellow) is on top, .40 (blue) is in the middle, and 9mm (black) is on the bottom. The slots are cut to contain the calibers mentioned and the smaller cases fall through. The work station: 
Basement floor, couple of stackable containers, couple of buckets, and a small trash can for the dirt and whatever else to fall through. I quickly learned that there needed to be an actual five gallon bucket underneath the bottom one or the dirt and particles would be all over the floor. I knew the cases would be mostly comprised of 9mm & .380 (probably 80%), .45ACP ( 15%) and .40/10mm (the rest) with the occasional dirt clod, shotgun wad, and small sticks thrown in for good measure, so I planned out the containers and small buckets accordingly. This was about halfway through. 
After close to an hour and a half of actual work, I had completed all of the sorting and cleaned up the floor. 
The second half of the bucket went much faster due to figuring out more efficient ways to work through it. If I had the same quantity to do again I'm guessing it would be about 30-45 minutes of work. My buddy took more brass from the match than I did and had his sorted out quicker (I fell on the sword and bought the sorters and he used them to sort his as well) Things that I found to slow me down that I learned to do better: - Dumping too much brass in (self explanatory) - Shaking it too much (have to let them settle for the smaller cases to fall through, if you continually shake it they won't have a chance) - Shaking it too hard (end up with brass jumping out onto the floor) Things that slowed me down that were worth the time: - Seeing berdan primed or deformed cases (picking them out to avoid later problems - Picking out rusted steel cases Things I don't know: - How they work for rifle calibers - How they work when rifle calibers are mixed in with the pistol (this was a pistol match I scrounged from so there weren't any at all) Once I figured out to throw in a couple of handfuls, give it a side to side shake, let the brass settle, front to back shake, let it settle, up and down shake, let it settle, visual scan to make sure no smaller cases were nested into the bigger ones, then dump, it went very smoothly. I bought the set of three from Amazon. This was nice since I have Prime, and they were here quickly, but I have since found the set available from Uniquetek that includes the plate to separate .380 from 9mm for a few more dollars. I have since ordered this plate on it's own but it would have been a better value to order it all from there in the first place. In conclusion, I was a fool for putting off this purchase as long as I did. I can't recommend these enough. ETA My cheapie HF tumbler broke another belt today... yeah I might have overloaded it. Anyway, I'm tired of doing one pound at a time, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the Frankford Arsenal tumbler down in price from what I remember when it came out, so I bought one. Should be able to give it a good review by next week. 
Tumbler works awesome too. 
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Nicely done AJE. I put off buying these trays for years because "they cost too much". Well they do for what they are, but they work great and save enough time to make them worth it. I'm setting the toggle on this thread to keep it out of the archives. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Nicely done AJE.
I put off buying these trays for years because "they cost too much". Well they do for what they are, but they work great and save enough time to make them worth it. I'm setting the toggle on this thread to keep it out of the archives. I knew I wasn't the only one. 
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Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
I got them off amazon a few months back as well and they saved a lot of time. .357 and .38 are kind of a pain though as they get hung up by the rim of the case. That's something I haven't had yet, although I don't see much of that on the ranges I go to. Do they stay in the .40 bin? |
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I just did about 3/4 of a 5 gal bucket by hand. I probably do that much once a month. I need these. I'm one more guy who says their too expensive. As always AJE great advice and thank you for the great review. Now that I know how well they work I'm less hesitant to spend the money. |
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| Great review man. I love my Shell Sorters. I bought them about a month ago and don't know how (or why) I did it without them. Depending on your brass supply if you have many 380 shooters it is worth the investment to get the 380 plate. I put mine in the yellow .45 plate and separate all of my "9mm" brass with it. |
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AJE - great review. As someone who uses them 3 or 4 times a week, I will add a few details.
The 38/357 do hang all the way through the 40 tray - only hanging by their rim. 10mm also stays in the 40 tray. As does 32 and 38 Winchester shorts - what a pain. 32 and 25 shells drop out of the 9mm tray. Sometimes the 30 cal also fall through. Rifle rounds will quickly plug up the 45 tray. I pick them out first and then get to the pistol brass. The 223/556/300 black out also falls all the way down to the 9mm tray. 38 super is a pain to pick out of the 9mm tray. Highly recommended. |
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| For 380 cases midway sells these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/270949/shell-sorter-brass-sorter-380-acp-adapter-plate?cm_vc=sugv270949 |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
For 380 cases midway sells these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/270949/shell-sorter-brass-sorter-380-acp-adapter-plate?cm_vc=sugv270949 I ordered mine from Uniquetek, Before I started loading .380 I hated having them mixed in. Hopefully this works just as well as the set I have. |
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| Berry's announced a new shell sorter a few months ago at the Steel Open. They gave a bunch away but I didn't get one. I didn't even get to check one out but they said it was going to be the cats meow. |
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Originally Posted By AJE:
That's something I haven't had yet, although I don't see much of that on the ranges I go to. Do they stay in the .40 bin? Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
I got them off amazon a few months back as well and they saved a lot of time. .357 and .38 are kind of a pain though as they get hung up by the rim of the case. That's something I haven't had yet, although I don't see much of that on the ranges I go to. Do they stay in the .40 bin? Yes they do. One other tip is to get a good magnet, and you can separate any steel cases while they are in the sorter as well. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009RLGDPE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1433518793&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=frankford+arsenal+magnet&dpPl=1&dpID=41dQeM4Cu9L&ref=plSrch |
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Originally Posted By Jwil:
Thanks for the review AJW! Been on my list for a while now to purchase. Here's an interesting video I saw on uniquetek's site  https://youtu.be/wlZaMxbDUgQ
Also here is the chart from uniquetek that lists the where calibers will end up http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag86/runngunnaz/forum%20post/uniquetek%20sorter/photo_zpsbje3clmc.png After seeing that video, I can't see anything working much better. |
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Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
Yes they do. One other tip is to get a good magnet, and you can separate any steel cases while they are in the sorter as well. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009RLGDPE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1433518793&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=frankford+arsenal+magnet&dpPl=1&dpID=41dQeM4Cu9L&ref=plSrch Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
I got them off amazon a few months back as well and they saved a lot of time. .357 and .38 are kind of a pain though as they get hung up by the rim of the case. That's something I haven't had yet, although I don't see much of that on the ranges I go to. Do they stay in the .40 bin? Yes they do. One other tip is to get a good magnet, and you can separate any steel cases while they are in the sorter as well. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009RLGDPE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1433518793&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=frankford+arsenal+magnet&dpPl=1&dpID=41dQeM4Cu9L&ref=plSrch I already have one of those for the stainless pins in my wet tumbler. |
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| I typically sort cases while I'm hand-depriming them. With that said...it would be nice to have some of the sorting done so that I could concentrate more on inspecting cases. Dang it! Now I have a new gadget on my list! |
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The organizer of our weekly USPSA practice has one. It seems to work pretty good. Most everyone is shooting 9/40/45 in USPSA so it works well. Let's everyone get their caliber back that they shot.
Not sure how well it would work with funky calibers and rifle thrown in the mix. Personally I never have more than a coffee can to sort at a time so I just do it by hand. Every time I get back from shooting I just I make a point to sort stuff asap so it doesn't build up. |
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Originally Posted By jbizzle:
The organizer of our weekly USPSA practice has one. It seems to work pretty good. Most everyone is shooting 9/40/45 in USPSA so it works well. Let's everyone get their caliber back that they shot. Not sure how well it would work with funky calibers and rifle thrown in the mix. Personally I never have more than a coffee can to sort at a time so I just do it by hand. Every time I get back from shooting I just I make a point to sort stuff asap so it doesn't build up. That is my only complaint...I get any and every kind of shells...stuff I've never seen before, so I can have 3, 4 or 5 types of shells in a pan. |
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Originally Posted By mustb123:
That is my only complaint...I get any and every kind of shells...stuff I've never seen before, so I can have 3, 4 or 5 types of shells in a pan. Originally Posted By mustb123:
Originally Posted By jbizzle:
The organizer of our weekly USPSA practice has one. It seems to work pretty good. Most everyone is shooting 9/40/45 in USPSA so it works well. Let's everyone get their caliber back that they shot. Not sure how well it would work with funky calibers and rifle thrown in the mix. Personally I never have more than a coffee can to sort at a time so I just do it by hand. Every time I get back from shooting I just I make a point to sort stuff asap so it doesn't build up. That is my only complaint...I get any and every kind of shells...stuff I've never seen before, so I can have 3, 4 or 5 types of shells in a pan. I'll sort them out and save them... .38 Super / Super Comp is easy to get rid of, just hand them to an open shooter, they'll be glad. I have a jar of oddball calibers, although recently got rid of almost everything in it when I got the case of cases. |
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Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
Yes they do. One other tip is to get a good magnet, and you can separate any steel cases while they are in the sorter as well. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009RLGDPE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1433518793&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=frankford+arsenal+magnet&dpPl=1&dpID=41dQeM4Cu9L&ref=plSrch Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
I got them off amazon a few months back as well and they saved a lot of time. .357 and .38 are kind of a pain though as they get hung up by the rim of the case. That's something I haven't had yet, although I don't see much of that on the ranges I go to. Do they stay in the .40 bin? Yes they do. One other tip is to get a good magnet, and you can separate any steel cases while they are in the sorter as well. Something like this. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009RLGDPE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1433518793&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=frankford+arsenal+magnet&dpPl=1&dpID=41dQeM4Cu9L&ref=plSrch Duct tape one of these to a broom handle, 26 pounds! 26 Pound Magnet 
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I shot a USPSA match yesterday... I didn't spend much time picking up brass, a few handfulls in a coffee can. Dumped the whole thing in when I got home, sorted in 10 seconds
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Originally Posted By AJE: I shot a USPSA match yesterday... I didn't spend much time picking up brass, a few handfulls in a coffee can. Dumped the whole thing in when I got home, sorted in 10 seconds That's a win. |
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I started to get some of the brass through my tumbler today.
As I said in the "what you did today" thread, the belt on my small HF tumbler broke again. Instead of swapping that out, I went ahead and upgraded by ordering the Frankford Arsenal unit for $165. I expect to post a follow up next week with all the brass in the OP cleaned up
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| I had 15 buckets of brass to sort. I bought the colored sorters plus the .380 insert from Midway. I Think Midway made them. I wanted to use the trays sequentially all at the same time. They nest. However, they nest too tightly with not enough clearance between each tray. So, I glued three wooden blocks to the outside of the two larger trays. This holds the trays apart so that there is room for the cases to rattle around and go through the grid. I stack the trays with the largest one on top. Put three or four double hand fulls of mixed brass into the top and start shaking over a 5 gal bucket. After shaking pull out the large rifle brass, large pistol and the 45 from the top tray. Remove it and shake some more, pull out the .40, 10mm, 357 sig 38 and 357 from the middle tray. Then check the bottom tray and make sure everything that is small has fallen into the bucket. Dump the .223, 9mm and 380. When all done clean the .32, 25. 5.7 and other reloadable brass out of the bottom of the bucket, recycling the .22 and dumping the dirt. After pulling the .223, sort the 9mm from the .380 with the metal plate. The wooden blocks allow processing a lot more brass per batch and get things moving down through the slots all at once better. A very dirty job even though I wash brass when I bring it home from the range. Lots of dust and dirt. Probably not good to breath the dust. |
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Thanks for the kind words Dry Flash.....
The hardest sorting problem is 9mm from .380. If you don't have the metal plate that is an accessory to the colored baskets, you can try a technique that my son taught me when he was sorting and tumbling for a penny a case for a guy who was trying to make a living with fired brass from various ranges. Put your mixed brass in a bucket. Obtain a .45 acp sized plastic cartridge tray with square openings, size 5 wide by 10 long. Dip the tray into the bucket and most of the openings will fill with cases. The 17mm length 380 cases will easily show up as shorter than the 19mm 9mm Luger and can be removed into a 380 bucket. Then most of the cases, which will be 9mm L. are dumped into a 9mm bucket. The 2mm difference in length is hard to spot case by case, but the difference is easy to see in a group. If you find any 9x18 Ultra cases, (rare) send them to me. |
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Originally Posted By Counselor:
I had 15 buckets of brass to sort. I bought the colored sorters plus the .380 insert from Midway. I Think Midway made them. I wanted to use the trays sequentially all at the same time. They nest. However, they nest too tightly with not enough clearance between each tray. So, I glued three wooden blocks to the outside of the two larger trays. This holds the trays apart so that there is room for the cases to rattle around and go through the grid. I stack the trays with the largest one on top. Put three or four double hand fulls of mixed brass into the top and start shaking over a 5 gal bucket. After shaking pull out the large rifle brass, large pistol and the 45 from the top tray. Remove it and shake some more, pull out the .40, 10mm, 357 sig 38 and 357 from the middle tray. Then check the bottom tray and make sure everything that is small has fallen into the bucket. Dump the .223, 9mm and 380. When all done clean the .32, 25. 5.7 and other reloadable brass out of the bottom of the bucket, recycling the .22 and dumping the dirt. After pulling the .223, sort the 9mm from the .380 with the metal plate. The wooden blocks allow processing a lot more brass per batch and get things moving down through the slots all at once better. A very dirty job even though I wash brass when I bring it home from the range. Lots of dust and dirt. Probably not good to breath the dust. Great idea. I found the same problem. I solved it with the yellow basket by setting it crookedly on top of the others while pouring brass in from the bucket, but I couldn't do much to stop the bottom two from nesting together. |
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So my new found super sorting method has shifted my order of efficiency. The brass tumbling in my poor, worn out cheapie Harbor Frieght wet tumbler has been knocked down to the bottom of the totem pole.
I have made a PVC drum to use with it, so I've got one load on board instead of dealing with two separate containers. Total load on board was 2lbs of brass, 2lbs of pins, water to the top of the brass (about 4lbs) with a touch of Lemshine and Wash & Wax. Today my Frankford Arsenal wet tumbler arrived. The maximum weight for the drum is 30 lbs, and it comes with 5lbs of pins. I figure, for longevity sake, that I'd try to keep it at 25lbs or under. I measure out 5lbs of brass, dump it in, fill the water up until it's about even with the brass.... 17lbs. Okay. 5lbs pounds of brass, water again to the top of the brass, 24.7lbs. Looks good to me. Higher than what seems is the normal brass:pin ratio, but the brass is the point. These are .40S&W, so around 70 grains a piece, so it's about 1,000 cases give or take (plus there are some 10mm in there so nothing exact). I take a SWAG for the amounts of Lemshine and W&W based on multiplying the quantity I used to use, however while measuring the soap I spill extra in.... why waste it, if it goes bad at least I know what happens. Set it for around 2hrs and walk away, checking periodically for leaks. After the time is up, I separate the brass and pins to find this :
Bling bling Can't ask for it to look better. I do need to get better equipped for the separation since I am now doing 5x the quantity, but I can't argue with the results. 10lb load vs the formally normal 2lb load: 
Can't speak for the quality of the unit since I just unboxed it this afternoon but the results of the first run are certainly promising. Edited 2/9/19 to fix pictures |
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This is an old thread, so maybe it's time for a new review.
Weekend before last I bought about 100 pounds of brass. Started depriming the .45 ACP cases one of the boxes, and I was not making a big dent. So I bought a set of sorting trays on Saturday, and had all of the brass plus a couple of buckets already on hand sorted early on Sunday morning. $20 for the brass, $40 for the sifters! The trays work best for separating .45 ACP, and most of the telescoped brass has to be separated by hand before the trays can do their job. The .40 caliber tray is not quite as efficient, that might have been due to the monstrous portion of .40 S&W brass in the mix, but it also holds onto the 9mm cases a little tighter. One thing is certain, the trays should not be overloaded, they work much better with smaller batches, it's much tougher to get the smaller brass to migrate to the bottom if the pile is deep. I like the idea of using vibratory tumbler bottoms to do the work, I'll have to remember to try the next go 'round. For now, I have a bunch of brass to deprime and clean; a mechanized depriming machine seems like a good idea, too! |
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I was an SO at an Illinois state IDPA match years ago.
My stage had the competitors seated in the driver's seat of a car. The car was pretty much junk and the backseat and carpeting had been ripped out. All shots were fired from inside the car....soooo...all brass landed inside the car. 
My scorekeeper was jonesing for some free brass (all major matches are considered to be lost brass matches....just to keep things moving along and as a perk for the SO's/RO's who work the match). So on the last day of the match I brought a big rubbermaid tub along and the 3 plastic shell sorting trays. My scorekeeper had all the brass out of the car and sorted into 9, .40, and .45 in about 15 minutes. I was actually really impressed by how fast it went. |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad:
I was an SO at an Illinois state IDPA match years ago. My stage had the competitors seated in the driver's seat of a car. The car was pretty much junk and the backseat and carpeting had been ripped out. All shots were fired from inside the car....soooo...all brass landed inside the car.
My scorekeeper was jonesing for some free brass (all major matches are considered to be lost brass matches....just to keep things moving along and as a perk for the SO's/RO's who work the match). So on the last day of the match I brought a big rubbermaid tub along and the 3 plastic shell sorting trays. My scorekeeper had all the brass out of the car and sorted into 9, .40, and .45 in about 15 minutes. I was actually really impressed by how fast it went. GSSF is also nice for that since there is no moving, so all the brass is just falling on tarps the whole match. This thread feels like a blast from the past
I'll have to go through my google drive pictures and restore the photos in the OP. |
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Your pictures in the OP and later posts are showing up for me.
I’m hoping to score a largish quantity of range brass someday. I guarantee that I’ll buy the sorter trays as soon as I wind up with more than just a few inches of brass on the bottom of my 5 gallon “tote everything back from the range” bucket. |
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I started looking for a “deal” on the shell sorter combined with the 380 plate when I stumbled across this:
National Metallic’s Brass Sorting Trays. They’re on Amazon and MidwayUSA for $29.99 plus shipping (no Prime, and Midway’s lowest shipping is USPS/UPS “economy” for $10.19). Yes, cheaper, but I’m feeling like this clone product isn’t really the kind of competition that improves products... No adapter plates, either. UniqueTek has a lower price than Amazon for the original tool, but they want over $11 for shipping, and they don’t have any combo deals at the moment. It looks like Amazon Prime is the way to go. |
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