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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:00:27 AM EDT
Granted they aren't calling it the ACR and my title is essentially click bait. Still, the design influences are apparent. Hopefully this rifle is a successful.  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
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Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: In the world of Jakl’s, this will not sell so great. The PWS does seem to offer the modularity promised by the ACR. More in fact with the removable mag well. The JAKL does not. Will it sell? That depends on PWS. If they can keep QC high and provide conversion kits and other accessories with the gun it will probably do alright. |
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Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: In the world of Jakl’s, this will not sell so great. The Jakl lacks just about everything that the PWS rifle offers. Cannot change barrels on Jakl, at least you're not "supposed" to, per PSA. No ambidextrous controls at all offered, from factory. Heavier, by a decent chunk. No 308 offerings yet. 6000 series aluminum, more than likely extruded vs the PWS billet 7000 series aluminum. Frankly, I see no point to buying a PSA Jakl over a PWS UXR. The spirit of the ACR is more alive in a UXR than a Jakl, being modular and ambidextrous. |
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Originally Posted By Zerlak: The Jakl lacks just about everything that the PWS rifle offers. Cannot change barrels on Jakl, at least you're not "supposed" to, per PSA. No ambidextrous controls at all offered, from factory. Heavier, by a decent chunk. No 308 offerings yet. 6000 series aluminum, more than likely extruded vs the PWS billet 7000 series aluminum. Frankly, I see no point to buying a PSA Jakl over a PWS UXR. The spirit of the ACR is more alive in a UXR than a Jakl, being modular and ambidextrous. I agree, but the price will be the deciding factor for most. |
| The issue I have with the Jakle is the way the handguard mounts. While I like some of the design elements that went into to it, the handguard mounting is seriously flawed, IMO. The Masada/ACR and this new PWS got it right the first time. |
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This gun has been the first gun in 5+ years that has made me instantly drop money. Not only is it lighter than the Bren 2, JAKL, and BRN180, it seems to do the whole modular thing better than I have ever seen in the industry. The barrel mounting mechanism seem the most robust while maintaining a light weight, and I see the full conversion kits listed at $499. Time will tell if it lives up to its claims. My only current concern is the weight balance with it being so light weight, a G36 with a suppressor feels pretty awful because almost all the weight of the gun is in the front. This gun reminds me of the HK433 in shape and design more than the ACR (which is probably inspired by the ACR), though. It breaks apart like the G36 and has the overall build style of its younger brother the HK433 with its shape, monolithic top rail and floating handguard that appears near identical. Mike over at Fortress Tactical has a handful left of the first batch you can claim, about two weeks until ship. |
Oops. The rifle fails to eject at the 3:41 mark. Primary Weapon Systems UXR | Industry Day At The Range 2024 |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Oops. The rifle fails to eject at the 3:41 mark.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLO1qUX9-gI wonder what gas setting and ammo was being used, that ejection is back at the 4 o'clock.  Primary Weapon Systems UXR | SHOT Show 2024 #gunreview #shotshow2024 #shorts Same guy shooting a different URX and it has a significantly more meaty 2:30 ejection.  #Shotshow2024 industry range day, Primary Weapons Systems UXR is the most modular rifle out???? Different person shooting the Fail to Eject gun (same optic at least) and it has a very anemic ejection. |
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Originally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: I wonder what gas setting and ammo was being used, that ejection is back at the 4 o'clock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZBENlpBy0Same guy shooting a different URX and it has a significantly more meaty 2:30 ejection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syDU_iI3K-MDifferent person shooting the Fail to Eject gun (same optic at least) and it has a very anemic ejection. Originally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Oops. The rifle fails to eject at the 3:41 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLO1qUX9-gI wonder what gas setting and ammo was being used, that ejection is back at the 4 o'clock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ZBENlpBy0Same guy shooting a different URX and it has a significantly more meaty 2:30 ejection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syDU_iI3K-MDifferent person shooting the Fail to Eject gun (same optic at least) and it has a very anemic ejection. Nice catch. Wouldn't surprise me at all, if someone toyed with the adjustable gas block and threw it to the suppressed setting. Time will tell, in the end. |
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Definitely an intriguing rifle and PWS has had a good track record with their piston guns over the years. I’ll be watching to see how it evolves. Given its heritage (or the lack thereof) coupled with high price though, I won’t be an early adopter. One of the nicer aspects of gun designs that have been through military trials/adoption is they’ve been beat on pretty hard and had improvements and refinements in the process. So it isn’t to say the UXR is going to be a dog, just the consumer market is going to find ways to break it. The Tavor series, the Hellion/VHS-2, ARX, the AUG, even the Bren 805 all had very very few changes after their launches given the history behind each design. Now let’s compare to the Bren 2 MS, Desert Tech, even our beloved ACR. Designs that never really scaled out. Lots of revisions, stuff that didn’t work well, on top of being expensive. I add the Bren 2 MS since it’s from a major manufacturer but the 2 MS variant was not the military design but a hybrid of features from the 2 and 2 BR receivers for the commercial market that has not been smooth sailing for the 7.63x39 version. |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: I bet you will be wrong ... He might be wrong, someone has interest enough in this gun to invite it to EnforceTac in Germany this year. https://soldiersystems.net/2024/02/27/pws-to-attend-enforce-tac-2024/ |
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: If I guess $2200, how wrong will I be? $2400 The good news is the caliber exchange kits are under $500 and that includes everything (bolt and barrel) you will need which is a huge improvement over other gun's attempts at caliber exchanges which are 1k+ for just the barrel. |
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Another vapor ware product………..why the fuck do companies insist on doing this shit, don’t show it off till it’s ready. Here guys check this out we made ONE……ok let’s get you into a fucking frenzy then make you sit around for 6 months ……a year…….or possibly NEVER. Why what kind of business logic is this??? Fucking gay |
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Originally Posted By Vdab890: Another vapor ware product………..why the fuck do companies insist on doing this shit, don’t show it off till it’s ready. Here guys check this out we made ONE……ok let’s get you into a fucking frenzy then make you sit around for 6 months ……a year…….or possibly NEVER. Why what kind of business logic is this??? Fucking gay These have been available now for a good six months. So have caliber conversion kits. I think the problem with both guns and kits is a general lack of market interest. As interesting as the concept of an adaptable rifle is, the market as a whole has probably moved on. Combine this apathy with a fairly high price and we've got ourselves a dedicated niche rifle. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: These have been available now for a good six months. So have caliber conversion kits. |
| I agree that price is what stifled the enthusiasm for this rifle. By the time you purchase the base rifle along with a conversion kit you could buy a nice small frame and large frame AR. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: These have been available now for a good six months. So have caliber conversion kits. I think the problem with both guns and kits is a general lack of market interest. As interesting as the concept of an adaptable rifle is, the market as a whole has probably moved on. Combine this apathy with a fairly high price and we've got ourselves a dedicated niche rifle. Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Originally Posted By Vdab890: Another vapor ware product………..why the fuck do companies insist on doing this shit, don’t show it off till it’s ready. Here guys check this out we made ONE……ok let’s get you into a fucking frenzy then make you sit around for 6 months ……a year…….or possibly NEVER. Why what kind of business logic is this??? Fucking gay These have been available now for a good six months. So have caliber conversion kits. I think the problem with both guns and kits is a general lack of market interest. As interesting as the concept of an adaptable rifle is, the market as a whole has probably moved on. Combine this apathy with a fairly high price and we've got ourselves a dedicated niche rifle. I think lack of market interest is more in the company making the product and its implementation than the concept itself. PWS has always been more of a niche manufacturer and from the lack luster initial reviews of unreliable rifles, complete changes in weight for the rifle and some reviews of poor quality, it isn't surprising that this hasn't taken off. |
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I fired one (5.56) in 2023 during a private demo/presentation - I did not witness any malfunctions with about six of us firing two 30rd mags each. I think it has promise for ACR or SCAR-type rifle fans with some improvements over the ACR (although the ACR’s quick change barrel is better in my opinion). I would like to see the other calibers (.450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend for hunting in straight wall states). A price reduction of $1,995 MSRP would help quite a bit with sales, but I doubt that will happen. I would like to play with one again with the .308 conversion. But, I wish Bushmaster would just go back into production, or at least with spare parts and conversions to support the ACRs out there. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: I fired one (5.56) in 2023 during a private demo/presentation - I did not witness any malfunctions with about six of us firing two 30rd mags each. I think it has promise for ACR or SCAR-type rifle fans with some improvements over the ACR (although the ACR’s quick change barrel is better in my opinion). I would like to see the other calibers (.450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend for hunting in straight wall states). A price reduction of $1,995 MSRP would help quite a bit with sales, but I doubt that will happen. I would like to play with one again with the .308 conversion. But, I wish Bushmaster would just go back into production, or at least with spare parts and conversions to support the ACRs out there. You can get the UXR new in 5.56 or .308 for $1,899 now. |
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Originally Posted By CJofFL: IMHO, the thing that killed it for 5.56 is that it’s really a 7.62 with a sub-caliber kit on it. I don’t think consumers want a 7.62 sized 5.56. Originally Posted By CJofFL: Originally Posted By thehun06: I’m afraid this platform has already failed. Market adoption is near 0 … IMHO, the thing that killed it for 5.56 is that it’s really a 7.62 with a sub-caliber kit on it. I don’t think consumers want a 7.62 sized 5.56. I'd love to have one of those Springfield imported Brazilian .223 FALs. |
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Originally Posted By _LandCruiser_: It does. They need some real designers. Originally Posted By _LandCruiser_: Originally Posted By ClickClickBoom1: It's also just plain ugly. I know it shouldn't matter but it does. It does. They need some real designers. Unfortunately it's not ugly in a way that will grow on you like the FS200 or ARX 100. Or maybe those were later deemed acceptable because they saw some Military service, were imports and are no longer available. |
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