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RANGE REPORT WITH PICS ADDED AS A NEW POST AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. Attached File “Super Comanche” made in Argentina. imported by RSA Ent., Ocean, NJ .45LC but also conveniently chambers/shoots .410 I have a fetish for all things .410, so I gave a guy $200 for it. Equipped with the .45 “choke” tube so my understanding is that it will safely shoot .45 Colt and .410 shotshell. It locks up nice and tight. I’m looking foreword to taking it to the range and assault some tin cans with it. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: I always thought they looked poorly made and goofy and saw no point to them. Now I'm looking at your picture and of course I want one.  I've looked at a Rossi Brawler but the one I looked at felt really cheap.It’s not finely made by any definition but seems robust and overbuilt to handle .410 pressures. The receiver is a heavy chunk of steel. The rifled barrel is enveloped in a cast steel block that is hinged to the frame. The hammer spring is heavy duty. The wood is utility grade, ill-fitting, but solid. It’s ugly and chunky but somehow I couldn’t resist. I have no real “use” for it other than threatening tin cans from a few feet away. I’ve blown $200 on dumber things From the wear on the wood and sharp edges, it looks like a previous owner actually carried this thing. |
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I shot a Taurus judge this year and figured it cured me of my desire to have a 410 in pistol form. But then my boss got a single shot 410, stamped it, and we cut it to resemble yours here. Holy shit it’s fun to shoot, very little recoil, super easy to get all rounds in the A zone. Always remember: She stepped into the ally with a single shot 410 The road goes on forever but the party never ends. |
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| I never knew they made a .45LC/.410 that took chokes. That would be a great little gun for hiking in grouse country where you randomly come across them in a tree or trail. That’s if there’s actually chokes made other than the factory one. Seems like the factory chokes aren’t much good for anything over 25 feet due to the shot spread. |
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Originally Posted By Trucker69: I never knew they made a .45LC/.410 that took chokes. That would be a great little gun for hiking in grouse country where you randomly come across them in a tree or trail. That’s if there’s actually chokes made other than the factory one. Seems like the factory chokes aren’t much good for anything over 25 feet due to the shot spread. The TC Contender .45/.410 barrels had a choke tube with straight grooves, I think it helps eliminate the spin from the rifling. My Shorty .410 
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: I shot a Taurus judge this year and figured it cured me of my desire to have a 410 in pistol form. But then my boss got a single shot 410, stamped it, and we cut it to resemble yours here. Holy shit it’s fun to shoot, very little recoil, super easy to get all rounds in the A zone. Always remember: She stepped into the ally with a single shot 410 The road goes on forever but the party never ends. Sonny should have never stuck it into Sherry 
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Originally Posted By Trucker69: I never knew they made a .45LC/.410 that took chokes. That would be a great little gun for hiking in grouse country where you randomly come across them in a tree or trail. That’s if there’s actually chokes made other than the factory one. Seems like the factory chokes aren’t much good for anything over 25 feet due to the shot spread. From my Internet reading, these guns came with two “chokes”. One constricted the .410 shot column to give it a better pattern. The other was the .45 Colt tube that just allowed the bullet to pass straight through. You can safely shoot .410 from the .45 Colt tube (the shot pattern may not be what you want) BUT you should NOT shoot .45Colt through the .410 tube (.388”-.395” diameter). My gun came equipped with the .45Colt tube, so it should be safe to shoot .410 through it. I’m going to measure the muzzle diameter just to make sure it is greater than the minimum spec for a .410 shotshell before I shoot it but I have little doubt .410 will pass through the .45Colt tube just like the Taurus Judge. However, I suspect the effective range of .410 through this gun is going to be measured in feet rather than yards. But we’ll find out  ETA- I measured the .45Colt tube and it is .454” all the way through so it won’t even touch a .45Colt bullet or .410 shot cup/wad. If the gun functions without issue, I’ll pony up the $35 to get the .410 specific tube which should give it a “Full” choke. |
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As long as there is rifling visibly present it's still legal correct? I haven't seen any requirements on depth of that rifling and it tends to wear over time, especially with lower quality steel.  It looks like something that wouldn't be out of place on a gaucho's horse. In pictures you see some of the gauchos carrying a small, single shot pistol on the back of the wide leather belt they wear or occasionally a single shot shotgun or some other sort of gun (maybe one of those) on their saddle. Of course it'd work for a post apocalyptic cosplay LARP too.
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: As long as there is rifling visibly present it's still legal correct? I haven't seen any requirements on depth of that rifling and it tends to wear over time, especially with lower quality steel. It looks like something that wouldn't be out of place on a gaucho's horse. In pictures you see some of the gauchos carrying a small, single shot pistol on the back of the wide leather belt they wear or occasionally a single shot shotgun or some other sort of gun (maybe one of those) on their saddle. Of course it'd work for a post apocalyptic cosplay LARP too. I read of a straight-rifled pistol being produced after the NFA was enacted. It was the legal way to circumvent SBS regs. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: As long as there is rifling visibly present it's still legal correct? I haven't seen any requirements on depth of that rifling and it tends to wear over time, especially with lower quality steel. It looks like something that wouldn't be out of place on a gaucho's horse. In pictures you see some of the gauchos carrying a small, single shot pistol on the back of the wide leather belt they wear or occasionally a single shot shotgun or some other sort of gun (maybe one of those) on their saddle. Of course it'd work for a post apocalyptic cosplay LARP too. I have an Altor 9MM single shot pistol The rifling is so faint you have to look really hard to see it. Barely two scratches down the barrel. It does not stabilize 9MM bullets. Makes a nice pattern with no doughnut hole in the middle with snake shot. |
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Originally Posted By VaFish: I have an Altor 9MM single shot pistol The rifling is so faint you have to look really hard to see it. Barely two scratches down the barrel. It does not stabilize 9MM bullets. Makes a nice pattern with no doughnut hole in the middle with snake shot. Originally Posted By VaFish: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: As long as there is rifling visibly present it's still legal correct? I haven't seen any requirements on depth of that rifling and it tends to wear over time, especially with lower quality steel. It looks like something that wouldn't be out of place on a gaucho's horse. In pictures you see some of the gauchos carrying a small, single shot pistol on the back of the wide leather belt they wear or occasionally a single shot shotgun or some other sort of gun (maybe one of those) on their saddle. Of course it'd work for a post apocalyptic cosplay LARP too. I have an Altor 9MM single shot pistol The rifling is so faint you have to look really hard to see it. Barely two scratches down the barrel. It does not stabilize 9MM bullets. Makes a nice pattern with no doughnut hole in the middle with snake shot. I figured it'd be a shame if you dropped a bore mop with Flitz on it down the barrel then had to use a cleaning rod in a drill to remove it, making sure you didn't actuate the drill of course. Using soft cast bullets they should still grab the rifling to retain some level of accuracy. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: It’s not finely made by any definition but seems robust and overbuilt to handle .410 pressures. The receiver is a heavy chunk of steel. The rifled barrel is enveloped in a cast steel block that is hinged to the frame. The hammer spring is heavy duty. The wood is utility grade, ill-fitting, but solid. It’s ugly and chunky but somehow I couldn’t resist. I have no real “use” for it other than threatening tin cans from a few feet away. I’ve blown $200 on dumber things From the wear on the wood and sharp edges, it looks like a previous owner actually carried this thing. $200 no brainer. Looks decent and as long as it shoots, it will be ok. |
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Got out to the range and fired 36 various shells through the gun. All shells went bang but I did experience one failure to extract using steel-cased Russian “Golden Bear”. I blame this more on the ammo than the gun as this particular brand has been problematic in other (not all) guns as well. The orange dot represented a 6-o’clock POA. All shots hit low. The gun is equipped with adjustable sights but I did not have the proper sized bit to adjust them at the range. All shots fired using the .45Colt “choke” tube as my example did not come with the also available .410 choke tube. Since the gun actually functions, I may invest the approximate $35 Dollars to obtain one. Since it actually constricts the bore at the muzzle, it may substantially improve performance when shooting .410 shells. Attached File Federal #9 shot @21 feet produced a ~24” diameter spread. Attached File Remington #8 shot @10 feet produced a ~13” diameter spread. Attached File Fioccchi 3 pellet 000 Buck with ~1.5” group, hitting ~6” low @10’ Attached File The 3” Russian “Golden Bear” load #4 birdshot @10’ produced ~12” diameter spread. This is the shell that resulted in a failure to extract that required a cleaning rod to tap out. Attached File Unfortunately, I did not take a pic but where the birdshot really performed in my opinion was at ~5 feet, producing a fist sized hole with a halo of shot surrounding it. This would be ideal for dispatching a rodent or venomous snake if avoidance were no longer an option. Th only other issue I had was that the extractor has precious little purchase on the rim of the shells. In a few instances, the shell slipped past the extractor ledge, making it impossible to close the action. To prevent this, I had to be more careful about loading each shell. This was a problem with some of the Remington and Fiocchi shells. The Federal shells were not bothered by this. I think this fickleness was due to the fact that the extractor/chamber was cut to handle .45Colt cartridges as well, which have slightly different rim dimensions from .410; .512” for .45Colt versus .535” for the .410 which actually means the .410 shells should have been the “tighter” fit  WARNING: HISTORY LESSON A little research revealed this gun’s design is based on the Garrucha pistol which was popular among the Gauchos of Brazil and Argentina during the first half of the 20th century. The beef industry was vital to South America and the Gauchos needed a means of fending off predators, rustlers and dispatching wounded/sick animals. It was considered enough gun for the job while being no match for police and military weapons. My gun’s design incorporates adjustable target sights and a pointless external safety. Both provided, no doubt, to satisfy the GCA ’68’s arbitrary point system for importation of handguns with a “sporting purpose” and the .45Colt chambering/rifling to keep it out of the NFA. ETA- As previously observed, this is NOT a finely made gun. It’s big and bulky with a utilitarian fit and finish. I don’t know the “quality” of steel used to produce it but there is A LOT of it. It seems a tad bit finicky, particularly with the rim-v-extractor issue, but the gun works. The trigger pull is heavy but not horrible. Not really a gun for which I have a purpose but I kinda like it. It’s like an ugly stray dog that nobody else would take home. I shot some water bottles with the expected unimpressive results using birdshot. The water drains out but most of the shot doesn’t make it past the first bottle. Shooting slugs DID result in an impressive bottle bursting kaboom. The takeaway; birdshot is still not a good choice for HD/SD. My wife is a Paramedic and ER Nurse. She has seen a few GSW, including with birdshot. She describes them as being horrific superficial wounds but shallow penetration. Can it kill? Absolutely. Would you wanna bet your life on it stopping an attacker before he kills you or your family? Maybe not so much  Oh, and SHOOTING STUFF IS FUN!  |
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