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Posted: 12/24/2023 11:30:35 PM EDT
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Curious, I have a two talon ss rifles and a cheap regulated air Venturi. Maybe the Venturi is too cheap to be spot on. But I think the gun is worse than my unregulated talon ss guns. I’ve always like the various FX and similar guns. Are pcp guns in the 1k-1500 range night and day better than my old talons? Or save my money? Thanks for the help! |
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First question I have for you OP is what are you chasing as far as consistency? Are you trying to get sub 1/2 MOA at 50 yards for benchrest competition, do you just need 1-1/2 MOA every time you bring it out without zero shift, or are you looking for something else? If you are chasing precision for the benchrest games, then yes the $1500+ guns will make this much easier, though I've seen less expensive examples do well, but not consistently across the board. Many of the $1500 guns will shoot with velocity extreme spreads on the order of one ft/s when well tuned. However, that is not the whole story on airgun accuracy, or consistency from session to session. FX guns tend to be a bit delicate. Changes in point of impact can be due to significant temperature changes, to bumping the barrel shroud. Sighting in at the beginning of any session is essential especially with FX guns. That said, I really like mine. The electronic controlled Daystates, seem to be on a whole different level as far as tuning, and velocity consistency. Plus, they do quite well in competition. I just find them not too aesthetically pleasing. American Air Arms unveiled a rather robust airgun at the Extreme Benchrest match this past October. It is a rife which is heavy, but likely could withstand a low crawl through heavy brush without losing zero. It is designed for benchrest and NRL 22 competition which is why it is heavy. One other thing, due to advances in technology, even more budget friendly airguns will outshoot older examples of the same guns. Depending on what you want your airgun to do, I can make other suggestions which might be a bit more budget friendly, but still meet your expectations. |
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Originally Posted By ArimoDave: First question I have for you OP is what are you chasing as far as consistency? Are you trying to get sub 1/2 MOA at 50 yards for benchrest competition, do you just need 1-1/2 MOA every time you bring it out without zero shift, or are you looking for something else? If you are chasing precision for the benchrest games, then yes the $1500+ guns will make this much easier, though I've seen less expensive examples do well, but not consistently across the board. Many of the $1500 guns will shoot with velocity extreme spreads on the order of one ft/s when well tuned. However, that is not the whole story on airgun accuracy, or consistency from session to session. FX guns tend to be a bit delicate. Changes in point of impact can be due to significant temperature changes, to bumping the barrel shroud. Sighting in at the beginning of any session is essential especially with FX guns. That said, I really like mine. The electronic controlled Daystates, seem to be on a whole different level as far as tuning, and velocity consistency. Plus, they do quite well in competition. I just find them not too aesthetically pleasing. American Air Arms unveiled a rather robust airgun at the Extreme Benchrest match this past October. It is a rife which is heavy, but likely could withstand a low crawl through heavy brush without losing zero. It is designed for benchrest and NRL 22 competition which is why it is heavy. One other thing, due to advances in technology, even more budget friendly airguns will outshoot older examples of the same guns. Depending on what you want your airgun to do, I can make other suggestions which might be a bit more budget friendly, but still meet your expectations. Thanks for the detailed reply. I guess I’m chasing accuracy but not for competition. Plinking and light hunting. More often than not I’ll grab my pcp to shoot a chipmunk at 30-50yds. Sometimes it’s still sighted in. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I simply miss. Chipmunks by me are small. So if I could get 1/2 to 3/4” groups at 50yds every time I pick up the gun I would be happy. Sometimes I’ll go a month without using it. Other times I’ll use it everyday for a week straight. I’d like to stick to .25 caliber. Budget is 1500 tops ( just gun. I have glass for it). I’ll look up some of makes you mentioned. |
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Originally Posted By grabagear: Thanks for the detailed reply. I guess I’m chasing accuracy but not for competition. Plinking and light hunting. More often than not I’ll grab my pcp to shoot a chipmunk at 30-50yds. Sometimes it’s still sighted in. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I simply miss. Chipmunks by me are small. So if I could get 1/2 to 3/4” groups at 50yds every time I pick up the gun I would be happy. Sometimes I’ll go a month without using it. Other times I’ll use it everyday for a week straight. I’d like to stick to .25 caliber. Budget is 1500 tops ( just gun. I have glass for it). I’ll look up some of makes you mentioned. Originally Posted By grabagear: Originally Posted By ArimoDave: First question I have for you OP is what are you chasing as far as consistency? Are you trying to get sub 1/2 MOA at 50 yards for benchrest competition, do you just need 1-1/2 MOA every time you bring it out without zero shift, or are you looking for something else? If you are chasing precision for the benchrest games, then yes the $1500+ guns will make this much easier, though I've seen less expensive examples do well, but not consistently across the board. Many of the $1500 guns will shoot with velocity extreme spreads on the order of one ft/s when well tuned. However, that is not the whole story on airgun accuracy, or consistency from session to session. FX guns tend to be a bit delicate. Changes in point of impact can be due to significant temperature changes, to bumping the barrel shroud. Sighting in at the beginning of any session is essential especially with FX guns. That said, I really like mine. The electronic controlled Daystates, seem to be on a whole different level as far as tuning, and velocity consistency. Plus, they do quite well in competition. I just find them not too aesthetically pleasing. American Air Arms unveiled a rather robust airgun at the Extreme Benchrest match this past October. It is a rife which is heavy, but likely could withstand a low crawl through heavy brush without losing zero. It is designed for benchrest and NRL 22 competition which is why it is heavy. One other thing, due to advances in technology, even more budget friendly airguns will outshoot older examples of the same guns. Depending on what you want your airgun to do, I can make other suggestions which might be a bit more budget friendly, but still meet your expectations. Thanks for the detailed reply. I guess I’m chasing accuracy but not for competition. Plinking and light hunting. More often than not I’ll grab my pcp to shoot a chipmunk at 30-50yds. Sometimes it’s still sighted in. Sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I simply miss. Chipmunks by me are small. So if I could get 1/2 to 3/4” groups at 50yds every time I pick up the gun I would be happy. Sometimes I’ll go a month without using it. Other times I’ll use it everyday for a week straight. I’d like to stick to .25 caliber. Budget is 1500 tops ( just gun. I have glass for it). I’ll look up some of makes you mentioned. I’d like to stick to .25 caliber. Budget is 1500 tops ( just gun. I have glass for it). Bump. Also - who are the better distributers (site supporters a +?) for the Hawaii / USA area? |
| For Daystate airguns, Airguns of Arizona would be the better choice, especially shipping to HI. For FX, then Utah Airguns would be the go-to. Both these shops have good relationships with the respective manufacturers, and are the major distributors for those brands. |
If I were a hedonist, I'd be a hermit.
You need a good airgun if you don't have one already.
You need a good airgun if you don't have one already.
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