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5/15/2020 8:18:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blackfoot_7][Edited] [#1]
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:


@Blackfoot_7

Have you shot it with the Rainier barrel yet? Wondering how the gas port sizing is on that barrel. Think that’s the route I’m gonna have to go bc I’m about to throw in the towel on ever finding an ER barrel.
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@Dobs013

It'll go out on a test run within the next week or so. I can't check it against the can until that order process is complete and the can is transferred over to my SOT, which lucky for me is an indoor 100 yard range facility, so I'll get to run it while I wait.
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/15/2020 8:19:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cass:
@coldblue
@Movistar

I took a few close-ups of the muzzle on my ER barrel to show close tolerance surface that coldblue described. 

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Looks flush. How critical is it to operation? @coldblue @Cass
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/15/2020 8:25:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:



You are killing me man! Seriously my head was spinning all day yesterday on doing a similar build.
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@Outrider

Why not? Last I checked Thoroughbred still had a couple kits in stock.  If you change your mind I don't think you'd lose anything in terms of value, but you might stand to gain if/when these become a scarce commodity.
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5/15/2020 9:36:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


@Outrider

Why not? Last I checked Thoroughbred still had a couple kits in stock.  If you change your mind I don't think you'd lose anything in terms of value, but you might stand to gain if/when these become a scarce commodity.
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I’ve had that same thought. There have been times I regret not jumping on KAC parts when they’re available. Then they dry up and prices skyrocket.
5/15/2020 10:55:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


Looks flush. How critical is it to operation? @coldblue @Cass
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The diameter of the barrel itself seems constant. The thickness of the black moly-coat seems to be the only difference.
5/16/2020 8:53:39 PM EDT
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@Blackfoot_7 well I guess it was meant to be as Thoroughbred dropped the price on the last two kits so I scooped one up. No idea what I’ll do with it but I figure that’s a good problem to have.

Let me ask this, between the Mk11 and M110 barrels is the difference just a threaded muzzle for flash hider vs non for can to index off? My thought process would be a M110 barrel and use a muzzle mounted can tell a M110 can clears.
5/18/2020 3:39:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
@Blackfoot_7 well I guess it was meant to be as Thoroughbred dropped the price on the last two kits so I scooped one up. No idea what I’ll do with it but I figure that’s a good problem to have.

Let me ask this, between the Mk11 and M110 barrels is the difference just a threaded muzzle for flash hider vs non for can to index off? My thought process would be a M110 barrel and use a muzzle mounted can tell a M110 can clears.
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@Outrider

I don't think you'll regret the acquisition. Centurion Arms has receiver sets readily available, so although it might not be "clone correct" in that regard (if you care about that), there are parts available that will get you up and running in no time (budget dependent of course). As far as I know the only difference between the MK11 and the M110 barrel is a target crown vs. threaded for a muzzle device, which is why both require different suppressors. I honestly don't know what else differentiates the two beyond that, but @Jack_L or @coldblue are better qualified to answer that question.

First run yesterday. Zero failures/malfunctions, consistent 3-4 o'clock ejection, 100% reliable function. Flashy w/o flash mitigation and relatively punishing on the shoulder compared to what I'm used to. It seems to prefer 175gr FGMM so far. Doesn't do bad at all with 168gr PPU Match, which is what I run in the ACC. Assuming it'll tighten up as the barrel becomes more seasoned. Will also try out other factory loads and have my buddy cook up some hand loads to see how she does. Average for 168gr PPU Match is 1.34"/1.29 MOA. Average for 175gr FGMM is .91"/.87 MOA. I'd call the Rainier Arms MK11 Match barrel GTG so far. Will see how she does with the can whenever it gets here.






We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/18/2020 6:21:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


@Outrider

I don't think you'll regret the acquisition. Centurion Arms has receiver sets readily available, so although it might not be "clone correct" in that regard (if you care about that), there are parts available that will get you up and running in no time (budget dependent of course). As far as I know the only difference between the MK11 and the M110 barrel is a target crown vs. threaded for a muzzle device, which is why both require different suppressors. I honestly don't know what else differentiates the two beyond that, but @Jack_L or @coldblue are better qualified to answer that question. 

First run yesterday. Zero failures/malfunctions, consistent 3-4 o'clock ejection, 100% reliable function. Flashy w/o flash mitigation and relatively punishing on the shoulder compared to what I'm used to. It seems to prefer 175gr FGMM so far. Doesn't do bad at all with 168gr PPU Match, which is what I run in the ACC. Assuming it'll tighten up as the barrel becomes more seasoned. Will also try out other factory loads and have my buddy cook up some hand loads to see how she does. Average for 168gr PPU Match is 1.34"/1.29 MOA. Average for 175gr FGMM is .92"/.88 MOA. I'd call the Rainier Arms MK11 Match barrel GTG so far. Will see how she does with the can whenever it gets here. 

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Good review. How would you compare recoil to your other rifles? Mostly likely that bare muzzle bearing you up? I have a 13.5 MWS that I like but a little shooting of it goes a long way.
5/18/2020 10:38:17 AM EDT
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If I'm converting from a SR-25 Match to MK11, should I have the 24" barrel cut or buy on of the Rainier barrels?  Thanks in advance for any advice.
5/18/2020 10:47:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:


Good review. How would you compare recoil to your other rifles? Mostly likely that bare muzzle bearing you up? I have a 13.5 MWS that I like but a little shooting of it goes a long way.
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Originally Posted By Outrider:


Good review. How would you compare recoil to your other rifles? Mostly likely that bare muzzle bearing you up? I have a 13.5 MWS that I like but a little shooting of it goes a long way.


Not as soft shooting as my ACC for sure, but I attribute that to the bare muzzle combined with the bite of the A2. I'll probably end up running a recoil pad to save myself from the bruising. Not sure if this is par for course for running a MK11 without a can, but either way it just seems to be behaving in a way expected because of the lack of a muzzle device to mitigate some of that felt recoil.

Neither of the two MWS rifles I've owned beat me up too bad when running a brake. In my experience, the MWS always seemed to be over-gassed and as much as I tried, I could never really find that sweet spot that allowed me to run it suppressed consistently and reliably. I would get it to a point where I thought I had it dialed in, but then I'd experience a failure and would have to re-tweak, and it got tiresome trying various solutions, tweaks and ammo types, and I wasn't ready to invest in the LMT can that was purposely designed to work optimally with their system. However, I never had that problem running the ACC, which ran QDC cans and my SiCo Saker without any issues. Both MWSs seemed to run fine, albeit a bit more gassy when not suppressed.  Somebody built up a spreadsheet with manufacturer gas port sizes and the LMT MRP was among those on the larger side, which leaves me to believe the same holds true for the MWS. Years ago when I was researching large frame ARs, I came across a write-up (or maybe it was a video?) explaining why the MWS was over-gassed, and a reason given was that it was supposed to satisfy the British MOD requirement of being able to run everything from standard NATO M80 ball to precision/match loads, or any other type of 7.62x51 one might happen across during combat operations. Purposely over-gassing the system meant it should feed anything it was chambered for. I'm just regurgitating here, so I can't verify the accuracy to the information, but it does make sense considering my own experiences with the rifles. There are certainly pros and cons to the system, but I no longer own an LMT MWS.

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If I'm converting from a SR-25 Match to MK11, should I have the 24" barrel cut or buy on of the Rainier barrels?  Thanks in advance for any advice.


@kethridge00 Good question. I would prefer to keep a factory barrel with the rifle, especially if it groups exceptionally well. However, you'd have to factor in how chopping it down might effect reliability since KAC optimizes their rifles to run like fine tuned machines. When Ayan cut my 11.5 SR30 barrel down to 9", he had to open up the GP just a cunt hair to get it to run reliably. It's worthwhile to note that I experienced some issues when I had an MWS factory CL 20" barrel cut down to 16", which I was able to mitigate using various solutions (e.g. buffer, spring, adjustable gas key, etc.). I'm sure someone here who has experience with chopping a KAC Match barrel is better qualified to answer that question. Or perhaps contact the guys at D.Wilson MFG, Presample Depot, or NSDefense to get a straight no BS answer.
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5/19/2020 5:19:34 PM EDT
[#11]
Ordered a barrel blank from Krieger today. Should be shipped to me in a couple weeks then I’ll send it to cle for finishing.
5/19/2020 6:47:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


Rgr. Thoroughbred, but there's a dude in the EE right now selling the kits for $600



I just kept it pretty simple and got the Rainer Arms MK11 barrel. Haven't shot it yet, so it'll be a minute before I can report on accuracy. Dave Wilson pinned the GB and upper assembly.

I'll get some mo' betta pics up within the next few days.
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Originally Posted By Outrider:


That is slick! Did you get the rail gas block from Thoroughbred?


Rgr. Thoroughbred, but there's a dude in the EE right now selling the kits for $600

Originally Posted By TheBrokePilot:

Looks great. What barrel did you go with. Marvin has two barrels available built off criterion blanks but I could get a Krieger and have compass lake finish it for about the same price. The Krieger has a 4 month wait currently though.


I just kept it pretty simple and got the Rainer Arms MK11 barrel. Haven't shot it yet, so it'll be a minute before I can report on accuracy. Dave Wilson pinned the GB and upper assembly.

I'll get some mo' betta pics up within the next few days.
@Blackfoot_7   Love the pics and you sharing your experiences.  All of my personal research to build my own MK11 clone or near clone has left me feeling like I'm waaaaay out on a limb by myself.  Great job.  Love that you have gone the Rainer MK11 barrel route, seems to be the only way to go unless you can find an older SR-25 upper, but I've never been able to find much dialog and details from people that have purchased/shot one.  Which gas block did you go with?  Were any mods needed to the barrel or "just" get it pinned by Dave Wilson after sending him your parts?  I'll send you a PM later requesting pricing and contact details for Mr. Wilson or please share here if you are comfortable.

And I'm following the suppressor story closely as its all interrelated...barrel, rail, front sight, gas block, mounting and suppressor.  I originally was probably going to go with a SF 762 RC suppressor, but now that its realistic to get a clone/near clone barrel and KAC gas block mounted properly, I want the whole MK11 system including the suppressor.
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5/19/2020 7:45:47 PM EDT
[#13]
I feel like the M110 and Mk11 cans just really pull the total package together. I’d be interested in an EMC can if I could ever score one.
5/19/2020 8:42:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Have this saved from an older archived thread. Figured I would throw it up Incase anyone is wanting to go the CLE route. Up in the air right now between that and the Rainier match barrel.

5/20/2020 5:52:49 PM EDT
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What are the best resources to read up on the different m110/mk11 variants used by the military? Similar to some of the other clone threads. Breaking down each model and their specific parts, what optics, mounts, suppressors etc were used.


Does anything like that exist? Really need a KAC Vickers book!
5/20/2020 6:19:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TigerHawk:
What are the best resources to read up on the different m110/mk11 variants used by the military? Similar to some of the other clone threads. Breaking down each model and their specific parts, what optics, mounts, suppressors etc were used.


Does anything like that exist? Really need a KAC Vickers book!
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YES!!
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5/20/2020 6:49:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TigerHawk:
What are the best resources to read up on the different m110/mk11 variants used by the military? Similar to some of the other clone threads. Breaking down each model and their specific parts, what optics, mounts, suppressors etc were used.


Does anything like that exist? Really need a KAC Vickers book!
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I’ve been asking for a KAC book for years. Will pay a pretty penny for a nice high quality book with great info and pictures.
5/20/2020 7:14:32 PM EDT
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I’ve been asking for a KAC book for years. Will pay a pretty penny for a nice high quality book with great info and pictures.
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
Originally Posted By TigerHawk:
What are the best resources to read up on the different m110/mk11 variants used by the military? Similar to some of the other clone threads. Breaking down each model and their specific parts, what optics, mounts, suppressors etc were used.


Does anything like that exist? Really need a KAC Vickers book!


I’ve been asking for a KAC book for years. Will pay a pretty penny for a nice high quality book with great info and pictures.

Same here. I'd imagine it would take many volumes to cover the stuff they've got there
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5/20/2020 7:49:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NukeThemTillTheyGlow:
@Blackfoot_7   Love the pics and you sharing your experiences.  All of my personal research to build my own MK11 clone or near clone has left me feeling like I'm waaaaay out on a limb by myself.  Great job.  Love that you have gone the Rainer MK11 barrel route, seems to be the only way to go unless you can find an older SR-25 upper, but I've never been able to find much dialog and details from people that have purchased/shot one.  Which gas block did you go with?  Were any mods needed to the barrel or "just" get it pinned by Dave Wilson after sending him your parts?  I'll send you a PM later requesting pricing and contact details for Mr. Wilson or please share here if you are comfortable.

And I'm following the suppressor story closely as its all interrelated...barrel, rail, front sight, gas block, mounting and suppressor.  I originally was probably going to go with a SF 762 RC suppressor, but now that its realistic to get a clone/near clone barrel and KAC gas block mounted properly, I want the whole MK11 system including the suppressor.
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@NukeThemTillTheyGlow

The gas block is an OG MK11 gas block and was purchased as part of a MK11 kit from Thoroughbred Armament (rail, gas block and bolt carrier). These are turn-in/DMRO parts pulled from actual service rifles. The barrel only required drilling for pinning, which Dave will do when installing it. He's got the pins, but you'll need to provide a rifle gas tube. I went with Colt.

https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/412/

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/gas-system-parts/gas-tubes/ar-15-gas-tube-stainless-steel-prod4759.aspx

http://www.dwilsonmfg.com/Knights-Armament-Services_c_20.html

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I feel like the M110 and Mk11 cans just really pull the total package together. I’d be interested in an EMC can if I could ever score one.
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Absolutely.


Originally Posted By TigerHawk:
What are the best resources to read up on the different m110/mk11 variants used by the military? Similar to some of the other clone threads. Breaking down each model and their specific parts, what optics, mounts, suppressors etc were used.


Does anything like that exist? Really need a KAC Vickers book!
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@TigerHawk

The best book to read about the MK11/M110 is the operators manual.  You can find a copy here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mk11-Mod-0-m110-Operator-s-Manual-High-quality-reprint-Knights-Armament-Kac-/274349654838?nma=true&si=9DlRJJn%252B5FGPfsHjrbS3oOathD8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A few guys have contacted me about these "clone" manuals and I've posted my impressions of them in the thread compared to my authentic copy. Bottom line is they are good to go and mostly indistinguishable from the real deal. I recently contacted the seller and he has black and white copies coming. I believe he'll still do color copies for more of a premium. You can also roll your own: http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/manuals/m110.pdf

Additional info: http://quarterbore.com/kac/ar10ffras.html


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5/20/2020 7:53:42 PM EDT
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My Mk11 kit arrived today. Cool purple anodizing on the rail. I’ll try and get some pictures later. Also it looks like I’ll finally get my Lunchbox receivers to ship as a group 3 straggler.
5/20/2020 8:18:34 PM EDT
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My Mk11 kit arrived today. Cool purple anodizing on the rail. I’ll try and get some pictures later. Also it looks like I’ll finally get my Lunchbox receivers to ship as a group 3 straggler.
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@Outrider

Nice. Looking forward to seeing the pics of the purple hue. Sounds like you scored a real winner for a great price as well. I'm actually quite surprised the kits lasted as long as they did, even at the price they were originally asking.
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5/20/2020 8:21:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:
@TigerHawk

The best book to read about the MK11/M110 is the operators manual.  You can find a copy here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mk11-Mod-0-m110-Operator-s-Manual-High-quality-reprint-Knights-Armament-Kac-/274349654838?nma=true&si=9DlRJJn%252B5FGPfsHjrbS3oOathD8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A few guys have contacted me about these "clone" manuals and I've posted my impressions of them in the thread compared to my authentic copy. Bottom line is they are good to go and mostly indistinguishable from the real deal. I recently contacted the seller and he has black and white copies coming. I believe he'll still do color copies for more of a premium. You can also roll your own: http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/manuals/m110.pdf

Additional info: http://quarterbore.com/kac/ar10ffras.html


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I have a couple copies of the manual that comes with knights rifles. I guess I was looking for a compilation of the different variants like the m110k versions and battle rifles and such and what scopes\mounts\lasers etc would be normally used in different military units. I was reading through some m110k1 archived posts and @Jack_L  posted some great information pertaining to these types of accessories


M110K1

Bipods can be anything from the M110 Harris w/ KAC adaptor, to Atlas. Lots of LaRue Harris mounts out there as well. Highly dependent on user preference, since they are an easily acquired personal item.
BUIS: KAC Micro Flip Sights, but sometimes changed to MagPul Offsets, or removed entirely.
Laser: LA-5, PEQ-15, or PEQ-16 most commonly.
Light: M600 or M300 most commonly, if present at all.
Leupold Mk8 1.1-8x with H27D or T2 (rare) reticle
Leupold Mk 4 3.5-10x repurposed from M110
Schmidt and Bender PMII 3-12x repurposed from non-Army configuration SASS
Premier Reticles 3.5-15x (rare now)
Elcan 1.5-6x (infrequent after the Mk8 came online)
NF ATACR 4-16x
NF ATACR 1-8x

Mounts vary according to entity and optic, using everything from the M110 30mm KAC mount to Spuhr. Others commonly seen are NF unimounts, LaRue, Leupold, and Badger.
5/20/2020 8:27:12 PM EDT
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I'll skip the quoting, lots of great info here and don't want to make it more complicated.

@Blackfoot_7  Do you have a build list by chance?  I was going to ask you which receivers you used, but figured so many others would benefit from a full list.  Thanks for all of the help, pics and making the effort to share.
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5/20/2020 8:30:13 PM EDT
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I have a couple copies of the manual that comes with knights rifles. I guess I was looking for a compilation of the different variants like the m110k versions and battle rifles and such and what scopes\mounts\lasers etc would be normally used in different military units. I was reading through some m110k1 archived posts and @Jack_L  posted some great information pertaining to these types of accessories


M110K1

Bipods can be anything from the M110 Harris w/ KAC adaptor, to Atlas. Lots of LaRue Harris mounts out there as well. Highly dependent on user preference, since they are an easily acquired personal item.
BUIS: KAC Micro Flip Sights, but sometimes changed to MagPul Offsets, or removed entirely.
Laser: LA-5, PEQ-15, or PEQ-16 most commonly.
Light: M600 or M300 most commonly, if present at all.
Leupold Mk8 1.1-8x with H27D or T2 (rare) reticle
Leupold Mk 4 3.5-10x repurposed from M110
Schmidt and Bender PMII 3-12x repurposed from non-Army configuration SASS
Premier Reticles 3.5-15x (rare now)
Elcan 1.5-6x (infrequent after the Mk8 came online)
NF ATACR 4-16x
NF ATACR 1-8x

Mounts vary according to entity and optic, using everything from the M110 30mm KAC mount to Spuhr. Others commonly seen are NF unimounts, LaRue, Leupold, and Badger.
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@TigerHawk

This page does a somewhat decent job, but perhaps not as comprehensive as you're hoping for.

https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/mk11mod0

FTR, I've been itching for a fairly comprehensive table top reference myself. I've been sleeping on the Vickers Guide, but might just get one since it's been on my list anyway.  
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/20/2020 8:36:04 PM EDT
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@TigerHawk

This page does a somewhat decent job, but perhaps not as comprehensive as you're hoping for. 

https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/mk11mod0

FTR, I've been itching for a fairly comprehensive table top reference myself. I've been sleeping on the Vickers Guide, but might just get one since it's been on my list anyway.  
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The Vickers are pretty good. Not a ton of info but fantastic photography. They are rereleasing Vol 1 with more pictures and info. I like Vol 2 as it covers GWOT era stuff like Mk18, Mk12, Mk11, M110 and 416. I hope they expand on that one as well.
5/20/2020 8:46:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:


The Vickers are pretty good. Not a ton of info but fantastic photography. They are rereleasing Vol 1 with more pictures and info. I like Vol 2 as it covers GWOT era stuff like Mk18, Mk12, Mk11, M110 and 416. I hope they expand on that one as well.
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


@TigerHawk

This page does a somewhat decent job, but perhaps not as comprehensive as you're hoping for. 

https://www.clonerifles.com/theclones/mk11mod0

FTR, I've been itching for a fairly comprehensive table top reference myself. I've been sleeping on the Vickers Guide, but might just get one since it's been on my list anyway.  


The Vickers are pretty good. Not a ton of info but fantastic photography. They are rereleasing Vol 1 with more pictures and info. I like Vol 2 as it covers GWOT era stuff like Mk18, Mk12, Mk11, M110 and 416. I hope they expand on that one as well.

I have never been able to get in on the AR15 Vickers Guide but was able to get in on the rerelease. I should probably grab a Vol 2 to hold me over until it gets here.
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5/20/2020 9:39:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NukeThemTillTheyGlow:
I'll skip the quoting, lots of great info here and don't want to make it more complicated.

@Blackfoot_7  Do you have a build list by chance?  I was going to ask you which receivers you used, but figured so many others would benefit from a full list.  Thanks for all of the help, pics and making the effort to share.
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@NukeThemTillTheyGlow

Anything in red text is going to be particularly challenging to source, and if you do find it be prepared to pay a premium. Keeping in mind this list is specific to my build, so you may or may not need/want some of the items I have listed here.

Rifle Components:
SR25 lower receiver
SR25 upper receiver (no shell deflector)
SR25 shell deflector
MK11 gas block
SR25 FF RAS (PN: 98513)
SR25 ambi CH (PN: 30538)
SR25 bolt carrier (non-sandcutter)
LMT .308 bolt
Rainier Arms MK11 SS match barrel
Colt rifle gas tube
MK11 suppressor (PN: 98440)
SR25 rifle buffer and spring (PN: 99133)
A2 rifle stock Magpul PRS stock
A2 rifle tube
A2 grip
Bipod sling swivel stud nut

Optic/Sighting setup:
Leupold Vari-X III / Mark 4 LRT 3.5-10x40mm FFP Mil-Dot w/ M118LR marked cap (mil issue)
Tenebraex Killflash 40LTC-ARD
KAC 30mm high scope rings (PN: 98033)
SIMRAD scope ring cap/adapter
AN/PEQ-2
MK11 folding front sight
KAC 200-600 rear BUIS  (PN: 98474)
Butler Creek rear cap

Deployment Kit:
MK11 Pelican 1700 case
MK11/M110 operators manual (PN: 00011)
SR25 cleaning kit (PN: 25401)
SR25 bore rod guide (PN: 98043 old style)
33" Dewey cleaning rod (black nylon coated)
SR25 field repair kit (PN: 24566)
SR25 20 rnd magazines (restricted LE/GOV)

Bipod setup:
KAC bipod mount (PN: 98060)
Harris 6-9 SBR bipod
Phoenix Tactical pod claws (aka Phoenix Talons)
KMW Pod-Loc

Misc:
KAC rail panels (Vero Beach)
KAC Swivel Mount Assembly (PN: 98720-1)
VTAC sling w/ BFG clips

ETA: Geno currently has some of the harder to get parts on-hand on his GB page: https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=478862

ETA: Because this particular page is severely short on photos




We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/20/2020 10:30:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NukeThemTillTheyGlow:
I'll skip the quoting, lots of great info here and don't want to make it more complicated.

@Blackfoot_7  Do you have a build list by chance?  I was going to ask you which receivers you used, but figured so many others would benefit from a full list.  Thanks for all of the help, pics and making the effort to share.
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Geno on GB currently has 2 Mk11 uppers to get you started if you don't have anything. Not cheap, but none of the good stuff is.
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5/20/2020 10:42:39 PM EDT
[#29]
The bore guides aren't too bad, we had a batch of them come in last October.

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5/21/2020 7:42:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Have this saved from an older archived thread. Figured I would throw it up Incase anyone is wanting to go the CLE route. Up in the air right now between that and the Rainier match barrel.

https://i.imgur.com/99TDb79.png
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@Dobs013

Please let us know what you ultimately decide to do with regards to your barrel selection. Either way, I'm very excited to see you complete your MK11 project. I make it a point to look at your most recent pics every time I visit this thread. Your rifle is truly a beautiful sight to behold and you've done an amazing job with it so far.
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/21/2020 7:49:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


@Dobs013

Please let us know what you ultimately decide to do with regards to your barrel selection. Either way, I'm very excited to see you complete your MK11 project. I make it a point to look at your most recent pics every time I visit this thread. Your rifle is truly a beautiful sight to behold and you've done an amazing job with it so far.
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Thanks man! Definitely will update once I figure it out. I keep going back and forth on what I wanna do. I’m gonna fire off the cut sheet to CLE and discuss some options then take it from there. Thinking I’m may have one spun from a Bartlein blank.

ETA - Made a small update, I got my hands on an older laser products, smooth body, 6P and decided to make its home the mk11.

5/21/2020 10:15:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Some light cleaning and a little oil. In sunlight to get color. The carrier cleaned up nicely too. I wish these parts could tell their stories...



5/21/2020 10:25:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
Some light cleaning and a little oil. In sunlight to get color. The carrier cleaned up nicely too. I wish these parts could tell their stories...

https://i.imgur.com/Ku3zGgV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rFLpIbb.jpg
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@Outrider

It is a thing of beauty. I'm almost tempted to strip the war paint off mine to see if it's got the purple anodizing as well. Almost. You've got a real treasure there, my friend.
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/21/2020 10:27:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackfoot_7:


@Outrider

It is a thing of beauty. I'm almost tempted to strip the war paint off mine to see if it's got the purple anodizing as well. Almost. You've got a real treasure there, my friend.
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Thank you sir. I'm sure yours is the same. I had the choice between painted and unpainted and chose to keep it basic as I mostly prefer black guns. However, I will say something about the SR-25 in taupe really does it for me. I figure I can paint it later if I really want.
5/22/2020 12:36:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Noob question.  Will any other muzzle device work with m110 suppressor?
5/22/2020 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Noob question.  Will any other muzzle device work with m110 suppressor?
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I don't think so as the can indexes off the muzzle device but I will defer to those more knowledgeable. My debate would be determining which can to go with ( Mk11 vs. M110). I like with the M110 that you can run another muzzle device until your M110 can clears. Though I'd probably prefer the Mk11 can from a size/weight standpoint.

The non pure cloner side to me (gasp and hiss) is also considering going with an AE/Ops Inc type suppressor and see if somebody could make me a M110 style gas block with the front being an AE collar. This would give the "look" of the reflex can we know and love but also add some versatility to that can in being able to run on other hosts. Then again I guess a Mk11 can would force my hand into a Mk13...
5/23/2020 4:37:27 PM EDT
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Anyone know where I can find one of these tools? Can't complete my lower without one.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/stock-tools/ar-15-m16-m4-buttstock-tool-prod21254.aspx

Brownell's has been out of stock for a long time.

Any other alternatives out there that will work?
5/23/2020 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Anyone know where I can find one of these tools? Can't complete my lower without one.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/stock-tools/ar-15-m16-m4-buttstock-tool-prod21254.aspx

Brownell's has been out of stock for a long time.

Any other alternatives out there that will work?
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@wayfaerer320 where in PA are you?
I have one you can borrow here in the philly suburbs.
5/23/2020 5:22:10 PM EDT
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@wayfaerer320 where in PA are you?
I have one you can borrow here in the philly suburbs.
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Originally Posted By bleaman225:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Anyone know where I can find one of these tools? Can't complete my lower without one.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/stock-tools/ar-15-m16-m4-buttstock-tool-prod21254.aspx

Brownell's has been out of stock for a long time.

Any other alternatives out there that will work?


@wayfaerer320 where in PA are you?
I have one you can borrow here in the philly suburbs.

Thanks!

Sent you a PM.
5/24/2020 5:39:13 PM EDT
[#40]
I use a spanner wrench that I picked up on Amazon years ago (Ayan disliked it though), but that motherfucker works.
We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions are ALWAYS played together, and it's not because it was released as a f**king double A side!
5/26/2020 4:57:57 PM EDT
[#41]
What is your go to scope/mount combo for a m110k1 clone or a delta emc trade in?

Need some new glass and I’m trying to decide from a couple different options. Not sure I want something as big/heavy as a 5-25 but something I'm looking into. Needs to work well with a pvs30.

ATACR 5-25
ATACR 4-16
Mk8 1.1-8
Mk5 3.6-18
Mk6 3-18

Mounts? Larue, kac, nightforce, sphur?

Any input is appreciated!
5/26/2020 5:19:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Correct optic and mount on a MARSOC K1 are Leupold Mk6 3-18 with T2 reticle and Leupold mount.

I hate Leupold so on my Grade A EMC I have S&B 3-20 Ultra Short with T3 reticle and Geissele S&B mount. It’s an awesome set up but $$$.

I have another Grade B EMC that I’m planning on getting NF ATACR 4-16 T3 and Geissele NF or KAC mount for.
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5/26/2020 5:29:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TigerHawk:
What is your go to scope/mount combo for a m110k1 clone or a delta emc trade in?

Need some new glass and I’m trying to decide from a couple different options. Not sure I want something as big/heavy as a 5-25 but something I'm looking into. Needs to work well with a pvs30.

ATACR 5-25
ATACR 4-16
Mk8 1.1-8
Mk5 3.6-18
Mk6 3-18

Mounts? Larue, kac, nightforce, sphur?

Any input is appreciated!
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I sold my MK6 3-18 to get a ATACR 4-16. Its not a bad scope but the glass and reticle options are a lot better with NF. Plan on running it in a NF mount.
5/26/2020 5:34:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
Correct optic and mount on a MARSOC K1 are Leupold Mk6 3-18 with T2 reticle and Leupold mount.

I hate Leupold so on my Grade A EMC I have S&B 3-20 Ultra Short with T3 reticle and Geissele S&B mount. It’s an awesome set up but $$$.

I have another Grade B EMC that I’m planning on getting NF ATACR 4-16 T3 and Geissele NF or KAC mount for.
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Do you have any thoughts on the T3 reticle vs the mil-xt? I’m leaning towards the 4-16 with the mil-xt reticle. Just curious.
5/26/2020 5:35:58 PM EDT
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I sold my MK6 3-18 to get a ATACR 4-16. Its not a bad scope but the glass and reticle options are a lot better with NF. Plan on running it in a NF mount.
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Yeah that ATACR seems pretty appealing. Anyone used one with a PVS30? Should be good to go in a 1.5” mount?
5/26/2020 7:19:53 PM EDT
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Yeah that ATACR seems pretty appealing. Anyone used one with a PVS30? Should be good to go in a 1.5” mount?
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I think @Great_Balls_of_Fire has this setup (not 100% certain which clip on he has).
5/27/2020 7:02:54 AM EDT
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Throw back, there was a time when Kevin B. would lose his shit seeing an Elcan/SR25 combo. I think it was a Canadian thing, lol!

I went with an Elcan 1-6 on my first EMC, I actually loved the FOV.

MARSOC K1, Elcan w/ long tine
5/27/2020 11:48:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By @TigerHawk:



Yeah that ATACR seems pretty appealing. Anyone used one with a PVS30? Should be good to go in a 1.5” mount?
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No issues. I ran that setup for a while.

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5/27/2020 12:24:53 PM EDT
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Won't be an exact clone, but definitely heavily inspired by this of course:




Waiting on the trigger (SSA-E) and suppressor (SF 762-RC2) - getting close...








Special thanks to @bleaman225 for letting me borrow the wrench I needed - good guy!
5/27/2020 12:28:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Won't be an exact clone, but definitely heavily inspired by this of course:

https://external-preview.redd.it/rFX13dZgqfP_WQi8te__Vs5U5TK0lz1Z2WZeVdMOsbs.png?auto=webp&s=9945fc1ebd0a24af957477b3dc70cfed47efb9fa


Waiting on the trigger (SSA-E) and suppressor (SF 762-RC2) - getting close...

https://i.imgur.com/dSJTK2f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GbzLoRi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/57YZ1oX.jpg


Special thanks to @bleaman225 for letting me borrow the wrench I needed - good guy!
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Looking great!

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