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Originally Posted By kingfish: Any experiences with it? Would an ar style 308 be better? Better at what? As a general purpose carbine or urban gun… the Tavor 7 is a fantastic package. I got rid of my 14.5” and 16” .308 ARs after getting my Tavor 7… As a general purpose rifle (walkabout, hunting, bug out, CQB…) it’s fantastic. A package about the length of a MK18 so it handles nice in hallways and doorways/windows - but also brings power that turns lots of cover into concealment. Externally selectable gas block plays nice suppressed or unsuppressed or in adverse conditions (weak ammo, filthy action, super cold). The weight distribution makes carrying and point super comfortable. It’s a well thought out rifle. Find some good ammo it likes and it’ll shoot 1.5-2 MOA. Which, for the purpose it was made, is just fine. 2 MOA keeps you on a IPSC silhouette at 800yards… I’ mean, just how far are you trying to shoot a 16” .308 that has a milspec grade trigger, no bipod, no tripod, and is not easily shot off of bags or a rest?!? If you plan to be shooting 800-1000+ yards or need sub-MOA marksmanship, it’s the wrong tool for that mission. Keep an AR if you want LE/ELR semiauto precision – in which case I would still say the 308 AR is the wrong tool … you’d be better served with some flavor of Creedmoor AR. Just throw a 1-6x or 1-8x on it and you’ll be practically accurate as far as the bullpup is practicably effective. Toss a little thermal clip-on in front of the LPVO and go slay pigs in the dark. |
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Functionally and reliability wise they are just fine. If you want a tack driving precision rifle, you could probably build a 308 AR or go with a bolt gun and do a bit better, but the Tavor 7 is perfectly fine for what most people need and are capable of shooting (despite the claims by everyone here on ar15.com that they can shoot sub MOA groups at 100 meters all day long, most guns are mechanically more accurate than the shooters using them). If you want a long barrel with good velocity to put lots of muzzle energy downrange while having it in a compact package, I don't think you can really do much better than the Tavor 7, certainly not any better for the price point it is at. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Originally Posted By kingfish: Thanks. I ask because I’ve got the 5.56 version and it’s good, not great @kingfish Define why you find the Tavor SAR/X95 "good, not great" That would help a LOT in being able to answer your question on if the Tavor 7 is "good" by your standards/definition Sven Manticore Arms |
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @kingfish Define why you find the Tavor SAR/X95 "good, not great" That would help a LOT in being able to answer your question on if the Tavor 7 is "good" by your standards/definition Sven Manticore Arms It was the ergonomics. The Tavor would rub the web of my hand to the point it would get red. I eventually sanded that area to make it smooth. I didn’t get the feeling that it was as high quality as the AUG. For bullpup, I usually take the AUG instead of the Tavor, which I haven’t shot in a few years |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Man: Better at what? As a general purpose carbine or urban gun… the Tavor 7 is a fantastic package. I got rid of my 14.5” and 16” .308 ARs after getting my Tavor 7… As a general purpose rifle (walkabout, hunting, bug out, CQB…) it’s fantastic. A package about the length of a MK18 so it handles nice in hallways and doorways/windows - but also brings power that turns lots of cover into concealment. Externally selectable gas block plays nice suppressed or unsuppressed or in adverse conditions (weak ammo, filthy action, super cold). The weight distribution makes carrying and point super comfortable. It’s a well thought out rifle. Find some good ammo it likes and it’ll shoot 1.5-2 MOA. Which, for the purpose it was made, is just fine. 2 MOA keeps you on a IPSC silhouette at 800yards… I’ mean, just how far are you trying to shoot a 16” .308 that has a milspec grade trigger, no bipod, no tripod, and is not easily shot off of bags or a rest?!? If you plan to be shooting 800-1000+ yards or need sub-MOA marksmanship, it’s the wrong tool for that mission. Keep an AR if you want LE/ELR semiauto precision – in which case I would still say the 308 AR is the wrong tool … you’d be better served with some flavor of Creedmoor AR. Just throw a 1-6x or 1-8x on it and you’ll be practically accurate as far as the bullpup is practicably effective. Toss a little thermal clip-on in front of the LPVO and go slay pigs in the dark. Might be the answer to my dilemma: thermal not rated for 12gauge, can't sneak up to unaided eye distance, WML spooks them away. This vs WLVRN though. |
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Originally Posted By voyager3: Might be the answer to my dilemma: thermal not rated for 12gauge, can't sneak up to unaided eye distance, WML spooks them away. This vs WLVRN though. Wlvrn in 6.5cm. Lighter, 20" bbl and Match creedmore easily shoots 1.5moa or less |
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The only things I don't like about my Tavor-7 is the weight and spare parts aren't the easiest to find. But if you go in knowing that it isn't bad and they really are minor points. Manticore Arms addresses many of the other issues on the Tavor (recoil pad, short top rail height, ejection port cover). I'm spoiled on the weight as I also have a POF 12" Rouge & Ruger 16" SFAR .308. They are really light, I'm talking 6-7 pounds. I go out of my way to keep them super light with just a red dot or lightweight optic (3x PSA prism). The WLVRN is 7.5 pounds where the Tavor 7 is over 9. But Desert Tech got a bad rep on their previou bullpup which they moved on from. So many are sceptical of the WLVRN. The Tavor just gets call fat and not the most accurate. But most don't really question the reliability for the most part. The Tavor is on the chunky side. It can add up when you put additional items on it (optic, light, suppressor, etc.). So you have to be careful or it gets heavy quickly. It's 9ish pounds naked, so ammo & a heavy optic and really push the weight up there fast. The weight is pretty centered on the pistol grip, so it's not horrible. I like lighter guns when possible and feel like it could have had some weight trimmed as it has a lot of plastic on the rifle. The spare parts issue is the same with all proprietary platforms. It's just a little worse with imported guns. Luckily it isn't a fragile platform overall. I had a broken charging handle on mine from shipping damage. IWI, to their credit found a spare for me, but they have to look around for one. Most other parts are regularly backordered. There are some other minor issue with the platform that as I mentioned, Manticore addresses. The rail height is a tad on the low side. Manticore has the high rail that fixes the problem, but you can use a tall mount or spacer if needed. I don't hate the stock recoil pad, but again, the Manticore curved recoil pad is nicer. I'll eventually try their extended handrail as well. I won a 20" stock Tavor with a low bid on Gunbroker. Then I saw a 16" with some Manticore goods on it (high rail & curved buttplate), so I bid and won that for not much more than the original one I bought. I got a great price on both, but I'll eventually trade one off for something else. I am able to try them back to back, which is nice. |
| I occasionally heard about issues with the WLVRN - parts breaking or function/reliability - often enough that it gave me pause, whereas the T7 is stout, likely accounting for the extra weight. I'll take a heavier, yet reliable firearm over a lighter paperweight. |
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Originally Posted By ihon: snip The WLVRN is 7.5 pounds where the Tavor 7 is over 9. But Desert Tech got a bad rep on their previou bullpup which they moved on from. So many are sceptical of the WLVRN. The Tavor just gets call fat and not the most accurate. But most don't really question the reliability for the most part. Originally Posted By ihon: snip The WLVRN is 7.5 pounds where the Tavor 7 is over 9. But Desert Tech got a bad rep on their previou bullpup which they moved on from. So many are sceptical of the WLVRN. The Tavor just gets call fat and not the most accurate. But most don't really question the reliability for the most part. The flip side of that coin is Desert Tech listened to its customers for changes they wanted on the rifle, one was weight (especially in the 223 forwards eject was a ridiculous 8.9lbs). I run both the Gen 1 and 2 in 308 and 6.5cm and they work great. The 223 Wlvrn is what I wanted when DT first presented the MDR in 2014 (its the weight they told us the MDR would be..) Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: I occasionally heard about issues with the WLVRN - parts breaking or function/reliability - often enough that it gave me pause, whereas the T7 is stout, likely accounting for the extra weight. I'll take a heavier, yet reliable firearm over a lighter paperweight. There are reports of parts breaking on the T7 (Trigger linkage, Charging handle and ripped cases) and there is a know reliability issue with steel cased ammo. Think of the DT rifle as 4 guns with each system being different. The one that has the most time behind it is the 223. |
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Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: There are reports of parts breaking on the T7 (Trigger linkage, Charging handle and ripped cases) and there is a know reliability issue with steel cased ammo. Think of the DT rifle as 4 guns with each system being different. The one that has the most time behind it is the 223. The steel case issue seems is reportedly mitigated by break-in, though I haven't tried shooting it with steel cases myself. May pick some steel stuff up down the line. How many rds to adequately break in is unknown. The trigger & CH breaking are news to me. |
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: The steel case issue seems is reportedly mitigated by break-in, though I haven't tried shooting it with steel cases myself. May pick some steel stuff up down the line. How many rds to adequately break in is unknown. The trigger & CH breaking are news to me. Every firearm seems to accumulate broken-part stories once enough people own them. At some point I'd like to add a Tavor 7 to the collection and do a direct side-by-side with the RFB and MDR/WLVRN. There are plenty of opinions on all three, but not many comparisons from someone who has owned and shot them all under the same conditions. Anyone have any info on how the T7 works with suppressors? Flowthrough and/or Traditional cans? |
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Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Every firearm seems to accumulate broken-part stories once enough people own them. At some point I'd like to add a Tavor 7 to the collection and do a direct side-by-side with the RFB and MDR/WLVRN. There are plenty of opinions on all three, but not many comparisons from someone who has owned and shot them all under the same conditions. Anyone have any info on how the T7 works with suppressors? Flowthrough and/or Traditional cans? Only comparison I'm aware of:  Desert Tech WLVRN vs IWI Tavor (.308 & 5.56) |
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Only comparison I'm aware of:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-nyZnfvMTAYea I've seen that and It/they reports a problem with the WVLRN that really isn't a problem (receiver heating up) ...and the accuracy testing..kinda sucked...(also no RFB lol) DesertCoyotes also has compared the T7 and the 308 Wlvrn in these here forums.. |
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I’m enjoying mine, but I only got it for a range toy. As I get more familiar with the gun, I may use it for some pig hunting. It’s very different from more traditional rifles. I don’t have any trouble hitting a 12” steel at 300 with surplus ammunition, and that’s all I expected from it…..if I need absolute precision, I have bolt guns for that. Between my AR10, FAL and my Tavor7, the FAL is my favorite…..but the Tavor is pretty awesome.Attached File Swapped the Aimpoint for a Razor 1-10 so I can see the target better Attached File ETA: my #1 reason for liking the Tavor so much is that it’s completely ambidextrous and can be converted from R to L in a few minutes without having to buy a LH bolt or other special parts. As a southpaw, bull pups (with very few exceptions) weren’t an option for me |
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