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Posted: 3/16/2024 3:38:35 PM EDT
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I started down the path of a Mk17 Mod 0 clone but have been somewhat turned off by the clone correct rifle scopes due to availability and cost. I would like to take advantage of this rifle's capabilities to handle mid-range distances and closer; I'm just not sure if I should look beyond a 1-6 LPVO and consider a 2.5/3-10 or similar. I've handled and subsequently passed on the Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8, Viper PST II 1-6, and the Trijicon Credo HX .308 BTC. Other 1-6s I've considered are the Vortex Razor Gen II E (ugly color and heavy), Leupold Patrol 6HD CDS-ZL2 (lightweight and made in USA, but most-expensive of the bunch), and the discontinued Leupold Mark 6 M6C1 FFP 7.62 CMR-W ($1399; 34mm tube vs. 30mm for all the others, but this reticle is really attractive though I'm not sure I want MRAD). Any others I should consider? Any other guidance? Thanks in advance! 
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You're talking about the NXS - 2.5x10x42mm? Hmmm...I'm definitely open to that; a bit more than I was wanting to spend, but I've got some hefty credits at Optics Planet 
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what is your budget? scopes can survive , as long as a good mount is utilized & tune the gas. i stay away from cantilevered mounts ;) i.e.: ADM delta-H or delta, Spuhr, LaRue, Borbo SCAR mount are the general preferred ones i prefer 1-8 or 1-10 on my SCAR Primary Arms (PA) Compact PLxC 1-8 Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24mm SFP Rifle Scope Gen IV eotech vudu vcog 1-8 NF is always great, but pricey but also be on safe side, look for manufacturer w/ a good warranty... just in case ;) PA has had good luck w/ SCAR 17s & their scopes NF warranty is great check on others  New Quality Budget Optics from Primary Arms youtube.com/watch?v=2EKPvqhF0ZY start around 2:00 i'm currently rolling the dice on a Swampfox 1-10 in Larue LT111 no issues yet |
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I can make $1,700 work, but that's the top of my budget. I am planning on running the clone correct Nightforce A110 scope rings (already have them), not a mount. Goal would be a 90% correct clone with the scope not looking too far off from what the Mk17 Mod 0 was issued with. Staying with Leupold or Nightforce would be ideal if I go with a 2.5, 3, or 3.5-10 power scope. Sorry for the dorky parameters 
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I put a VCOG 1-8x on mine and love it. Large eyebox. Good at 1x and 8x. Replaced the Kahles 1-6x and is just as good clarity wise. I put a S&B short dot dual 1-8x on my AR-10 (Daniel Defense) and love it even more. Both scopes should handle the SCAR quite well with the correct mount. Just figure out what you want to use the SCAR for. Battle rifle? LPVO 1-6 or 1-8x. DMR? 2-10/2-12/3-18 etc. Just make sure you get a sturdy well made mount. I use ADM Delta mount for a Kahles 1-6 on my SCAR 17 since 2014 until recent with zero issues. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I can make $1,700 work, but that's the top of my budget. I am planning on running the clone correct Nightforce A110 scope rings (already have them), not a mount. Goal would be a 90% correct clone with the scope not looking too far off from what the Mk17 Mod 0 was issued with. Staying with Leupold or Nightforce would be ideal if I go with a 2.5, 3, or 3.5-10 power scope. Sorry for the dorky parameters Recommend you use an ADM Delta mount to handle the SCAR’s greater recoil impulse on optics (Impulse = Force x time). The Nightforce NXS scopes are gtg with a good mount. |
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The Leupold MK6 you want is actually avalible at Europtic right now at a very reasonable price. https://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-1-6x20-m6c1-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-illum-front-focal-7-62-cmr-w-114337.aspx Likely the last stock Leupold had that europtic is blowing out. That would be my choice IMO |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: The Leupold MK6 you want is actually avalible at Europtic right now at a very reasonable price. https://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-1-6x20-m6c1-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-illum-front-focal-7-62-cmr-w-114337.aspx Likely the last stock Leupold had that europtic is blowing out. That would be my choice IMO Thats a great deal on that MK 6 |
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I think you first need to decide if you want a LPVO or a traditional scope. If it’s the former. I think the Mk6 would be a good choice and that’s a pretty good deal but it’s an old design and won’t work with the rings you already have(you could always sell the 30mm you have and get 34s). The Leupold isn’t “clone correct” either although I’m sure some dudes ran that setup at some point. Another option would be the NF nx8 1-8x, arguably better than the Mk6, much newer design, works with the rings you have and can be had for the same money if you buy used or catch a good deal, less if you get one with the old reticle. If it’s the later. I’d take my time and find a deal on a NXS 2.5-10x, a x24 will blow your budget unless you catch a great deal but you can still find a X32 for $12-1300 pretty regularly. Just may take a while if you are picky about what reticle and turret setup you want. Great scopes even by today’s standards and you’d be able to sleep at night knowing you are clone correct. but not really because you’d have a retail scope not a army or navy spec one, so you’ll have to spend 2x the time and money finding one of those |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: I did end up buying one. Also found the matching Leupold Mark 6 IMS mount for $122.81 shipped at Midway USA. I think it was the last one. Both will be here by Friday. Nice! Be sure to post up pictures, that will probably push me over the edge. |
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I have a Viper PST2 2-10x and I also use my 5-25x and 1-6x but prefer the 2-10x. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: The Leupold MK6 you want is actually avalible at Europtic right now at a very reasonable price. https://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-1-6x20-m6c1-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-illum-front-focal-7-62-cmr-w-114337.aspx Likely the last stock Leupold had that europtic is blowing out. That would be my choice IMO Fine setup and that is a killer price. I have scars with that scope, a NF 1-8, and a NF 3.5-15. The leupy mk6 is probably my favorite combo. ETA: I read further. Great choice!
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: The Leupold MK6 you want is actually avalible at Europtic right now at a very reasonable price. https://www.eurooptic.com/leupold-mark-6-1-6x20-m6c1-rifle-scope-34mm-tube-illum-front-focal-7-62-cmr-w-114337.aspx Likely the last stock Leupold had that europtic is blowing out. That would be my choice IMO That’s an awesome price. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: The Leupold Mark 6 mount was kind of meh, so I jumped on one of the contract overrun Geissele SR-25 (Mark 6) mounts. Happy with the final setup. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53617431940_591d306d5d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53617194983_1b65133081_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53619241510_e584b28c55_c.jpg Looks great! Did you get the leupold mount with the bolts on the right side? I run the charging handle on the left so mounts like that Giessele are a no go for me. |
Wait... you're turned off of an Elcan SpecterDR 1x/4x because of cost and availability, but are [were] considering a Vortex Razor and Nightforce 2.5-10x42? 
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Wait... you're turned off of an Elcan SpecterDR 1x/4x because of cost and availability, but are [were] considering a Vortex Razor and Nightforce 2.5-10x42? A new Elcan 7.62 is upwards of $2,400 and are sold out everywhere. They've moved to an updated design and the price has gone up even further. The optics in question were $1,600 or less and readily available. Why the confusion? |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: A new Elcan 7.62 is upwards of $2,400 and are sold out everywhere. They've moved to an updated design and the price has gone up even further. The optics in question were $1,600 or less and readily available. Why the confusion? I paid $1300 for my SU-230 that is on my SCAR 17S, and while the optic is a bit salty, the lenses and function is perfect. Granted, that was about 2 years ago, so I'm sure they've gone up a bit in price. I like that it's the optic that's 'meant' for the rifle.   Regardless, you got a great optic that should work really well on that rifle! |
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Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Mostly because you can pick up the Elcan optic I'm referring to on the secondary market for that same price-point; around that price. If you want to stay closer to the $1600 mark, you'll have to be a bit patient on waiting for a 7.62 model and not picky on color. I paid $1300 for my SU-230 that is on my SCAR 17S, and while the optic is a bit salty, the lenses and function is perfect. Granted, that was about 2 years ago, so I'm sure they've gone up a bit in price. I like that it's the optic that's 'meant' for the rifle. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476233365_13c45ea693_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476232895_b8554d7ba3_k.jpg Regardless, you got a great optic that should work really well on that rifle! Gotcha. I agree that the Elcan looks great on the SCAR 17. |
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Mostly because you can pick up the Elcan optic I'm referring to on the secondary market for that same price-point; around that price. If you want to stay closer to the $1600 mark, you'll have to be a bit patient on waiting for a 7.62 model and not picky on color. I paid $1300 for my SU-230 that is on my SCAR 17S, and while the optic is a bit salty, the lenses and function is perfect. Granted, that was about 2 years ago, so I'm sure they've gone up a bit in price. I like that it's the optic that's 'meant' for the rifle. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476233365_13c45ea693_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476232895_b8554d7ba3_k.jpg Regardless, you got a great optic that should work really well on that rifle! Originally Posted By jtb33: Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: A new Elcan 7.62 is upwards of $2,400 and are sold out everywhere. They've moved to an updated design and the price has gone up even further. The optics in question were $1,600 or less and readily available. Why the confusion? I paid $1300 for my SU-230 that is on my SCAR 17S, and while the optic is a bit salty, the lenses and function is perfect. Granted, that was about 2 years ago, so I'm sure they've gone up a bit in price. I like that it's the optic that's 'meant' for the rifle. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476233365_13c45ea693_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53476232895_b8554d7ba3_k.jpg Regardless, you got a great optic that should work really well on that rifle! The Elcan has a host of drawbacks, add into it having to pay $1300 for one that looks like it was thrown down a driveway 87x and has no warranty of any kind and it’s easy to see why people pass in favor of other options. * this is coming from someone who sold a Mk 6 1-6x to buy an Elcn SU-230 |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The Elcan has a host of drawbacks, add into it having to pay $1300 for one that looks like it was thrown down a driveway 87x and has no warranty of any kind and it's easy to see why people pass in favor of other options. * this is coming from someone who sold a Mk 6 1-6x to buy an Elcn SU-230 |
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"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Sounds like you and I have had different experiences with the ELCAN SU-230. There is a reason they command a higher price, and people are willing to pay for it. Originally Posted By jtb33: Originally Posted By Mblades: The Elcan has a host of drawbacks, add into it having to pay $1300 for one that looks like it was thrown down a driveway 87x and has no warranty of any kind and it's easy to see why people pass in favor of other options. * this is coming from someone who sold a Mk 6 1-6x to buy an Elcn SU-230 Is that reason because it’s clone correct? If so, that reason doesn’t matter if you aren’t building a clone and just want a good scope. Non-military 1.5x-6x is the same thing, but typically in much better condition. |
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Sounds like you and I have had different experiences with the ELCAN SU-230. There is a reason they command a higher price, and people are willing to pay for it. Originally Posted By jtb33: Originally Posted By Mblades: The Elcan has a host of drawbacks, add into it having to pay $1300 for one that looks like it was thrown down a driveway 87x and has no warranty of any kind and it's easy to see why people pass in favor of other options. * this is coming from someone who sold a Mk 6 1-6x to buy an Elcn SU-230 They command a higher price because of the low supply and demand from cloners, the reticle is marginally better than the civilian version but that’s it. I had a great experience with the Elcan, doesn’t change the fact it has drawbacks. The ARMS mount sucks, the inability to dial for elevation limits the potential for precision shooting and making hits at distance, it’s heavy, the eye box isn’t good, it’s expensive. It’s still a great option for someone wanting to run the scar as a battle rifle with the option of having a little magnification. For those wanting to exploit the inherent accuracy of the scar and the advantage of 7.62 over 5.56 there are better options. |
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Had a mk6 3-18 on my scar 17s with a 16in barrel and suppressor. Great setup. A little heavy but well balanced. Put the 13in barrel on it and it feels better with a t2 & g45 suppressed. Mk6 3-18 now in seekins rings lives on a bergara b14 hmr in 308. I think the mk6 1-6 will be good for my 16in suppressed aero m5. Not sure yet though but I gotta put something in this 34mm bobro scar mount anyway. The eotech vudu 1-10 ffp looks like it might be better for the price. Eta: the giant illuminated circle on the eotech vudu 1-10 doesnt make sense to me so easy pass. Mk6 1-6 on the way. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: The Leupold Mark 6 mount was kind of meh, so I jumped on one of the contract overrun Geissele SR-25 (Mark 6) mounts. Happy with the final setup. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53617431940_591d306d5d_c.jpg Your setup looks great with that MK6! Just curious, what didn't you like about the Trijicon Credo HX and how does it compare to your MK6? I really like the Credo 1-6 and have one on a 16S. I have the NF 2.5-10x42 on my tan 17S and I think it's a great match for the rifle, but you would need an offset red-dot to cover the closer range stuff that the LPVO can handle.  |
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