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4/29/2019 11:06:20 PM EDT
Has anyone ever seen or heard of this?

Brand new trust, single RP, 9 Form4's from 3/10 to 3/26 and every one of them arrived at my dealer today 4/29.  I will post pics tomorrow when i pick everything up.

3/10 submitted
DA Ghost45
DS Sandman S

3/21
Sico Maxim9
DA Wolverine
SiCo Omega9k

3/26
SiCo Octane45k
CZ S2 9mm Ti
YHM Turbo
IWI X95 SBR

Two of for E-Form1's have cleared in the last 60 days as well.

I am blown away and have never seen this.  I am also stoked to pick up all my toys from my dealer tomorrow.  Its going to be Christmas in april...  I just hope the two transferrables I'm working on right now can possibly clear this fast!

I have another Pre-41F trust with several items that I decided to keep separate from this one.  I've been dealing with NFAids since 2008.

EDIT: dealer told me 10 stamps, i was so excited i parroted what he said in a forum post.  its 9 stamps. :-)

EDIT2: added pic

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4/29/2019 11:23:01 PM EDT
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I’m happy for you, but I hate you at the same time!

Did you pose nude in the ATF photos?
4/29/2019 11:26:53 PM EDT
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there are only two things i can think of that could have had any effect outside of pure luck and mixup with how they put the stamps in queue.

1) i had a E-Form1 in process when i submitted the first F4 and they re-used the FBI Background.
2) about 3/15ish i submitted everything needed for a UPIN and that some how sped up background check times.

Who knows, i have a lot of these damn stamps and i have never seen anything like this.  I am not moving, not military, not LE, and there were no requests or reasons for the submissions to be expedited.
4/29/2019 11:37:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, not sure I want to go UPIN...
4/29/2019 11:40:01 PM EDT
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Yeah I just had a form 4 come back in like 67 days. Apparently the dealer got bought out and any form 4's in process were to be expedited. Whatever I'll take it!
4/29/2019 11:42:40 PM EDT
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Dang!  there were no reasons to expedite my forms so i am clueless.

For what its worth, someone like your self should always be front of the line.  Thank you for your service.
4/29/2019 11:52:36 PM EDT
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I'm at 308 days since check cashed on my last one.  
4/30/2019 7:25:36 AM EDT
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Yeah I just had a form 4 come back in like 67 days. Apparently the dealer got bought out and any form 4's in process were to be expedited. Whatever I'll take it!
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It’s sad when 67 days is referred to as, “expedited”
4/30/2019 7:38:06 AM EDT
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@chase45 how long are you at now?

My fastest one was 28 days and I have seen batch approvals like that before.
4/30/2019 7:51:16 AM EDT
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It’s been really weird. Form 1 submitted through SS about 12 months ago. Another submitted 2 months later, then another about 3 months after that. Second one came back after I made a mistake on serial number. Corrected and returned. Then the SS system was no longer kosher with ATF and my third lingered while they sorted it out. This last Saturday I get #2 and # 3. #1 came yesterday.

I’ll never figure out how things work there, but it was kinda like Christmas the last couple days.
4/30/2019 8:23:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, not sure what's up.

Either something has changed for the worse with NFA processing, or 12 months ago there was some kind of sudden suppressor buying surge?

I'm doubting the buying spree and thinking something has changed at the NFA.

Look at NFATracker.com to see how the most recent approvals have spiked in duration to nearly 1 year.  Whereas 6 months ago approvals were averaging about 6 months. Ugh.
4/30/2019 8:38:51 AM EDT
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@chase45 how long are you at now?

My fastest one was 28 days and I have seen batch approvals like that before.
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My quickest

4/30/2019 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Dang!  there were no reasons to expedite my forms so i am clueless.

For what its worth, someone like your self should always be front of the line.  Thank you for your service.
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Meh, they pay me decent to do cool shit. But thanks for your support!
4/30/2019 9:32:51 AM EDT
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It’s sad when 67 days is referred to as, “expedited”
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Ain't that the truth!
4/30/2019 9:37:56 AM EDT
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Lol they told me that my application, that's beyond a year, cannot be "expedited"

Over a year on a form 4 for a simple background check and registering a serial to your file and any action to make it move would be considered expedited?
4/30/2019 10:14:29 AM EDT
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That’s awesome.

I had two stamps(form 4s) approved in 45 days last summer. I spoke to my examiner about it because i didn’t believe it when the call center rep told me. The examiner grabbed a box of forms out of order and processed those. Most likely what happened to you.

Congrats on the nfa lottery win.
4/30/2019 11:01:40 AM EDT
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updated with photo!
4/30/2019 12:44:06 PM EDT
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You should have went out that day and bought a lottery ticket!
4/30/2019 12:50:06 PM EDT
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I hate you
4/30/2019 1:52:34 PM EDT
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You should have went out that day and bought a lottery ticket!
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I didnt know how good I had it then

That was my first stamp
4/30/2019 3:00:24 PM EDT
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Awe man!
4/30/2019 4:28:15 PM EDT
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Awe man!
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Lol, It's mostly just envy hate...mostly. Like the way I hate the guy that makes Carrie Underwood's babies.

I'm about 120 days in. Enjoy your toys
5/5/2019 10:51:55 AM EDT
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ATF has been pulling multiple applications and approving them at the same time.  Not sure when this started but it's happening all over.  It makes sense and burns down the piles faster.

So the guys with the piles of processing stamps are getting shuffled ahead.

Capitol Armory are calling it baller applications or baller status.
5/5/2019 2:02:38 PM EDT
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Local dealer had a customer get some forms in on Friday from June 2018...and then on Sat he had seven show up with these dates for the same guy:

5/5/2019 8:39:13 PM EDT
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Really hope this is not an isolated thing. I have 8 stamps out from August 2018 to last week including MGs. Would love to get them all back.
5/6/2019 1:31:27 PM EDT
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ATF has been pulling multiple applications and approving them at the same time.  Not sure when this started but it's happening all over.  It makes sense and burns down the piles faster.

So the guys with the piles of processing stamps are getting shuffled ahead.

Capitol Armory are calling it baller applications or baller status.
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They cashed two checks for an MG and included silencer this morning.  I guess i need to get a few more F4's in the system over the next few weeks and see if i can get a repeat quick approval.

EDIT: What are your thoughts to the number of pending forms to meet the requirement for a batch approval?  If i just got 9 back approved, then sent in two more, how many do i need to get into pending state to trip the multi-approval?  It would be worth it to me to get a few more in the system which i planned to buy later in order to get my MG approved quicker.
5/6/2019 4:05:06 PM EDT
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They cashed two checks for an MG and included silencer this morning.  I guess i need to get a few more F4's in the system over the next few weeks and see if i can get a repeat quick approval.

EDIT: What are your thoughts to the number of pending forms to meet the requirement for a batch approval?  If i just got 9 back approved, then sent in two more, how many do i need to get into pending state to trip the multi-approval?  It would be worth it to me to get a few more in the system which i planned to buy later in order to get my MG approved quicker.
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I don't know, I'd like to know that number too if there is a magic number to trigger the batches.
5/7/2019 1:42:33 PM EDT
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The ATF must have used the FBI approval of the first set of fingerprints on all of them, thus not needing to wait for print approval on forms 2-9

I bet it is examiner specific.
5/7/2019 4:21:20 PM EDT
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i would agree with you but i have recently seen another example of this in another forum.  That person also had 9 forms but theirs were over the course of several months....  I guess we should assume it is 9 forms pending get the batch approve?
5/7/2019 4:31:43 PM EDT
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Nah, I'm. sure its the NFA using the prints they get back on the first app to approve all pending apps with that applicant.
Makes sense.
5/13/2019 4:20:01 PM EDT
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Wow you need to go by a lotto ticket.
Then again with 9 form 4’s looks like your doing just fine
5/15/2019 8:20:54 PM EDT
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Interesting...  they are doing bulk approvals I guess now.

I had 9 stamps, All forms approved in spring 2019, same examiner, same date, all stamps mailed out the same day.
5/15/2019 8:22:45 PM EDT
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i would agree with you but i have recently seen another example of this in another forum.  That person also had 9 forms but theirs were over the course of several months....  I guess we should assume it is 9 forms pending get the batch approve?
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See my post above.

What odd is that the form 1 from July was sent in a day later than another Form 1, which was approved in November 18
5/16/2019 3:02:03 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of pending with my oldest being end of August 2018 check cashed so I hope I get on this batch approval here in a few months.
5/16/2019 11:15:43 PM EDT
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I just had 9 approved at once as well. Five were from a submission in October 2018, but four were from a submission in March 2019. That gives the March 2019 batch a 65 day approval period.
5/17/2019 1:25:37 AM EDT
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I just had 9 approved at once as well. Five were from a submission in October 2018, but four were from a submission in March 2019. That gives the March 2019 batch a 65 day approval period.
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More proof, 9 is the magic number!  I have three in the system now, need to hurry with the next six so long as i can make financial sense to do so!  Screw that, i might pull some money out of savings for an MP5 sear...  grrrrrr......  damn game all the way around.
5/17/2019 1:55:36 AM EDT
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More proof, 9 is the magic number!  I have three in the system now, need to hurry with the next six so long as i can make financial sense to do so!  Screw that, i might pull some money out of savings for an MP5 sear...  grrrrrr......  damn game all the way around.
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Well the magic number definitely isn't 5. I just got a call today that a stamp came in, 478 days.....
5/17/2019 3:34:01 AM EDT
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So what it seems like is if we buy a few today and a few in a few months and roughly 6-8 months down the line, buy a few more, what will happen is all 9+ will get batched approved. The oldest 1-3 gets all the other ones approved. It’s not like buy all 9 in one shot and you get ahead of the line.

Maybe get some cans and SBR’s now and make the MG purchase towards the end hopefully you only wait a month on all 9!
5/17/2019 10:07:10 AM EDT
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So what it seems like is if we buy a few today and a few in a few months and roughly 6-8 months down the line, buy a few more, what will happen is all 9+ will get batched approved. The oldest 1-3 gets all the other ones approved. It’s not like buy all 9 in one shot and you get ahead of the line.

Maybe get some cans and SBR’s now and make the MG purchase towards the end hopefully you only wait a month on all 9!
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I agree. I also think the move from WV to OR helped. The first five I submitted went to WV while the last four went to OR. My guess is the examiner in OR was working on those when the ones from WV were transferred over. But in the end, who knows.

The ones I submitted prior to these past two batches were approved in 307 days and 313 days and they all went straight to WV.
5/17/2019 12:18:46 PM EDT
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I agree. I also think the move from WV to OR helped. The first five I submitted went to WV while the last four went to OR. My guess is the examiner in OR was working on those when the ones from WV were transferred over. But in the end, who knows.

The ones I submitted prior to these past two batches were approved in 307 days and 313 days and they all went straight to WV.
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That makes zero sense. Nobody moved from WV to OR.

The examiners are all still in WV. The payment processing vendor moved changed from GA to OR...but all they did was process the payment and then send all the forms to WV for processing.
5/17/2019 2:11:17 PM EDT
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I had one approved 4/16/19 and one go pending 4/15/19.

I’m guessing my examiner didn’t get see the other one in time.
5/17/2019 2:14:36 PM EDT
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That makes zero sense. Nobody moved from WV to OR.

The examiners are all still in WV. The payment processing vendor moved changed from GA to OR...but all they did was process the payment and then send all the forms to WV for processing.
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I agree. I also think the move from WV to OR helped. The first five I submitted went to WV while the last four went to OR. My guess is the examiner in OR was working on those when the ones from WV were transferred over. But in the end, who knows.

The ones I submitted prior to these past two batches were approved in 307 days and 313 days and they all went straight to WV.
That makes zero sense. Nobody moved from WV to OR.

The examiners are all still in WV. The payment processing vendor moved changed from GA to OR...but all they did was process the payment and then send all the forms to WV for processing.
Ahh. I had it backwards then. Oh well.
5/18/2019 11:40:59 AM EDT
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Mine was 9 as well from my earlier post

Honestly this gives people more incentive to lob a bunch in.  Dare I say it give them a reason to work smart not hard!
5/18/2019 12:27:35 PM EDT
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ATF has been pulling multiple applications and approving them at the same time.  Not sure when this started but it's happening all over.  It makes sense and burns down the piles faster.

So the guys with the piles of processing stamps are getting shuffled ahead.

Capitol Armory are calling it baller applications or baller status.
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I have 9 pending, I wish I could get baller status.
5/19/2019 8:11:00 AM EDT
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I have 9 pending, I wish I could get baller status. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif
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I have no doubt that some examiners working off a big stack are hopefully incentivized (yeah yeah I know government) to get through their stack faster by bulk approvals.  It makes complete sense...  one back ground check as of the latest filing, one trust document, one shot
5/20/2019 1:25:49 AM EDT
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I have 9 pending, I wish I could get baller status. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif
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Well get that 10th submission in the pile :-D
5/20/2019 1:26:54 AM EDT
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So what it seems like is if we buy a few today and a few in a few months and roughly 6-8 months down the line, buy a few more, what will happen is all 9+ will get batched approved. The oldest 1-3 gets all the other ones approved. It’s not like buy all 9 in one shot and you get ahead of the line.

Maybe get some cans and SBR’s now and make the MG purchase towards the end hopefully you only wait a month on all 9!
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The nine they approved for me were all within 60 days.  This time i am going a little slower.
5/20/2019 6:59:14 AM EDT
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Well get that 10th submission in the pile :-D
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There are a couple more cans I'm eyeballing....
5/24/2019 11:06:02 PM EDT
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Waiting on SS to mail #10, a Rugged Oculus. I'd really like to add a Nomad to the stack but I have to wait a bit to afford it.
5/25/2019 1:42:44 PM EDT
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Is it possible that the appointment of acting deputy director Lombardo was the catalyst for batching approvals (again)?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-appoints-regina-lombardo-acting-deputy-director-bureau-alcohol-tobacco
Hard to know unless there is some insider (or someone who communicates with an insider) to confirm. The timing of the two events makes it plausible.
5/31/2019 5:20:19 AM EDT
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Pretty much this.

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