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Posted: 7/17/2024 2:48:52 PM EDT
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Recently found out one of my ancestors was an “over-the-mountain” patriot at kings mountain. And maybe-likely that I had another in the 5th SC rifle regiment in revolutionary war. I’m studying the shit out of that part of the war and it’s become deeply important for me. So I’d like to buy a replica flintlock rifle as a. Heirloom for my family and learn how to shoot it. Not as a “fun muzzle loader” but as a wall piece that we fire every few years at 4th of July or soemthing. Question what is my answer there? For Kings mountain were they using “early American jaegers”? Would have an official 1776 Charleston based “rifle regiment” been using no shit “Kentucky long rifles”? Dixiegun works? Attached File |
| Maybe this will help you The American Rifle at Kings Mountain . Looks to me like they were Lancaster made for the most part, a so called 'Kentucky' rifle, but there are as many variations as there were makers. I owned a Pedersoli in .50 cal for a while, but I had one made with a swamped barrel and sold the Pedersoli, but it was a fine rifle, just a little to front heavy for me. |
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Originally Posted By Tar_Heel: If you have the means, I'd reach out to a gunsmith who makes long rifles by hand, like Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading, and ask what style they would recommend. I'm thinking about picking up a long rifle or a Brown Bess before America's 250th birthday. Hasn’t the 250th already passed? |
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Traditions Pennsylvania Rifle Middle of price range, great shooter, and really beautiful rifle if you’re looking for a display piece. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Yobro512: Hasn’t the 250th already passed? 1776+250=2026 The big questions are how authentic do you want it to be and how big is your wallet? Anything mass produced will be nothing like what they had in the day. Mass produced usually have cheesy brass work, straight barrels not swamped. The barrels are too short. The stocks are too chunky. The locks are cast and look like it and on, on, and on... Picking on the photo in the post above mine. (sorry...) The flat panel around the lock is way too wide, the rear sight is not appropriate, the barrel is too short and not swamped. And that's what I get from just a quick glance... |
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I have that exact Jaeger. A few things about it. It has a patent breach so cleaning is a bit more troublesome than a normal breach. The twist rate is really fast too fast for patched round ball past 50- 75 yards if you really want a Jaeger go with the target model it's a few hundred more but will shoot round ball very accurately 100+ yards. Picture of the rifle  If I were you I would be looking into a Kibler colonial or wood runner. They are kits but easy to assemble and are great quality. When it's all said and done you will have a real heirloom at a good price. |
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Originally Posted By Green_Canoe: 1776+250=2026 The big questions are how authentic do you want it to be and how big is your wallet? Anything mass produced will be nothing like what they had in the day. Mass produced usually have cheesy brass work, straight barrels not swamped. The barrels are too short. The stocks are too chunky. The locks are cast and look like it and on, on, and on... Picking on the photo in the post above mine. (sorry...) The flat panel around the lock is way too wide, the rear sight is not appropriate, the barrel is too short and not swamped. And that's what I get from just a quick glance... im dumb. for some reason i was connecting the 76 with our 24 adn thinking it was 250. thanks for the info. id be happy for any pedersoli or traditions period piece, for the money they are amazing. makes you feel happy to be free. im probably going with a woodsrunner kibbler kit and dedicating some times to it. probably gonna horrifying to go about the process. will be refinishing random 2x4's and such to get the process down and get confident. |
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Originally Posted By Yobro512: im dumb. for some reason i was connecting the 76 with our 24 adn thinking it was 250. thanks for the info. id be happy for any pedersoli or traditions period piece, for the money they are amazing. makes you feel happy to be free. im probably going with a woodsrunner kibbler kit and dedicating some times to it. probably gonna horrifying to go about the process. will be refinishing random 2x4's and such to get the process down and get confident. You will be happy with the kibler. If you ask him Jim will usually throw some scrap wood in your crate so you can practice on the same type of wood. |
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Battle took place in 1780, and most likely most participants used muskets. The Colonial forces made major moves to cut back on rifle units for standard infantry within the first couple of years of the war. OP, your ancestors probably had Charlevilles |
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Originally Posted By JupiterMaximus: Battle took place in 1780, and most likely most participants used muskets. The Colonial forces made major moves to cut back on rifle units for standard infantry within the first couple of years of the war. OP, your ancestors probably had Charlevilles Battle took place exclusively with patriot frontiersmen+ back country militia. The British has exclusively American loyalist. Trained regulars+ militia. The frontiersman over-mountain men were known for specifically using rifles. Nathan Gann, my ancestor, served under John Sevier from their western side of the Appalachian mountains. The entire campaign was John Sevier and Isaac Shelby going around and grabbing all the mountain people they could and attacking the British Major who threatened to March over the mountains and burn their towns. |
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 This is an example of a rifle reportedly used at Cowpens, King's Mountain, and Guilford Courthouse. ETA: Quoted from the above link: The rifle had been introduced into America about 1700 when there was considerable immigration into Pennsylvania from Switzerland and Austria, the only part of the world at that time where it was in use. It was then short, heavy, clumsy, and little more accurate than the musket. From this arm the American gunsmiths evolved the long, slender, small-bore gun (about 36 balls to the pound) which by 1750 had reached the . same state of development that characterized it at the time of the Revolution. The German J ger rifle brought to America during the Revolution was by no means the equal of the American piece. It was short-barreled and took a ball of 19 to the pound. With its large ball and small powder charge its recoil was heavy and its accurate range but little greater than that of the smoothbore musket. It was the same gun that had been introduced into America in 1700. ETAII: Here's my Dixie Gun Works .50 Southern Mountain Rifle:  |
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Originally Posted By DesignatedMarksman: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81267/IMG_20221215_221022854-2636764.jpg This is an example of a rifle reportedly used at Cowpens, King's Mountain, and Guilford Courthouse. ETA: Quoted from the above link: 36 balls to the pound comes out right at 50 caliber. ETAII: Here's my Dixie Gun Works .50 Southern Mountain Rifle: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81267/IMG_20221230_174805269-2760497.jpg Beautiful. I’m excited to make my kibbler woods runner next spring. |
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