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Posted: 1/6/2026 4:58:14 PM EDT
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Pretty sure it is a Shuff Mini G mag fed conversion. Seller is an FFL but doesn't know. I'm not exactly sure, but the circumstances of sale are something like being sold on consignment for an estate or some similar situation. Like I said, seller is an FFL and has plenty of good feedback on GB. So I don't think there are any shenanigans afoot. I assumed that it was a Mini G by the looks of it. I hope so.  I won the auction for $1075. If it is, in fact, a Mini G, it seemed like a good price.   |
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Yes, that's a conversion that Shuff did, but not a Mini-G. It looks like a BM14. BM59/62 straight gas system, BM62? short muzzle device, with bipod but looks like M14 magazines (hard to tell). If it has BM59 magazines, then its a BM62. The bolt release is his custom made release instead of a BM59. The straight gas systems allows the UltiMAK rail to be mounted with no modification the to op-rod. The op rod should be a straight standard BM59 op rod. It hasn't been shortened since you have the gap between the gas cylinder and the front handguard ferrule. A Mini-G has a shortend op rod and the gas cylinder is butted up against the ferrule. I think the barrel is 16" for a Mini-G and 18" for a standard BM62. If you bought that for $1075, you stole that. Base gun $700 CMP Rack Grade (cheapest if available) Shuff's site says $1500 to convert supplied rifle into a BM14. (parts are now drying up) (that includes modifying the new .308 barrel to BM62 profile, modifying the receiver to accept M14 magazines, modifying the trigger pack to accept and retain the magazines, the new bolt release, repark, and assemble.) Throw in the rail for $205. A BM59 conversion receiver is at least $525 for a modified and reparked receiver. $675 to build a BM59E kit from Sarco on your provided receiver that he modifies and reparks the whole gun. I'm jealous. I've been buy parts for the past year to send off and build some guns. That would have saved me a lot of money. Very jealous.  Edit for grammer and to add: James River Armory is selling modernized BM62 for $1700. They have a threaded gas lock and flash hider. |
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Originally Posted By kbailey3: Yes, that's a conversion that Shuff did, but not a Mini-G. It looks like a BM14. BM59/62 straight gas system, BM62? short muzzle device, with bipod but looks like M14 magazines (hard to tell). If it has BM59 magazines, then its a BM62. The bolt release is his custom made release instead of a BM59. The straight gas systems allows the UltiMAK rail to be mounted with no modification the to op-rod. The op rod should be a straight standard BM59 op rod. It hasn't been shortened since you have the gap between the gas cylinder and the front handguard ferrule. A Mini-G has a shortend op rod and the gas cylinder is butted up against the ferrule. I think the barrel is 16" for a Mini-G and 18" for a standard BM62. If you bought that for $1075, you stole that. Base gun $700 CMP Rack Grade (cheapest if available) Shuff's site says $1500 to convert supplied rifle into a BM14. (parts are now drying up) (that includes modifying the new .308 barrel to BM62 profile, modifying the receiver to accept M14 magazines, modifying the trigger pack to accept and retain the magazines, the new bolt release, repark, and assemble.) Throw in the rail for $205. A BM59 conversion receiver is at least $525 for a modified and reparked receiver. $675 to build a BM59E kit from Sarco on your provided receiver that he modifies and reparks the whole gun. I'm jealous. I've been buy parts for the past year to send off and build some guns. That would have saved me a lot of money. Very jealous. Edit for grammer and to add: James River Armory is selling modernized BM62 for $1700. They have a threaded gas lock and flash hider. Good to know. Thanks for the info, much appreciated! |
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@kbailey3 It looks to me like the mag floorplate is angled a bit more than an M14/M1A mag. Sorry to put you on the spot for essentially a CSI tv episode on such a fuzzy pic, but-So regardless if which Shuff build it is, it uses BM59 mags? (Probably) Or BM62 mags? Are BM62 mags a thing? |
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I'm late to the BM59 game. It was hard to tell from the picture which magazine is being used. The angle didn't look like a BM59 magazine. The BM59 and BM62 used the same magazines. The magazines are built like a tank and are getting harder to find. I believe that is why Shuff came out with the BM14, for magazine compatibility/availability with the M1A/M14. BM59 mags generally cost around $50 for new/reconditioned mags in VCI wrapping from Italy. Used mags are available for a little cheaper. The Italian BM62 has a shorter muzzle devices (Gas Cylinder Lock) and finger grooves in the stock, no gas cutoff grenade sight, and no bipod. Your gun was built with a BM59 Gas Cylinder that has no provision for gas cut off, but the bipod is still attached. The barrel length and port size might be different than the BM59 due to the pressures involved with the different muzzle devices. At least that's what I've pieced together from 10 year old discussion threads. If you decided to put the grenade launching gas cylinder lock on (it has a bayonet mount), the recoil might increase due to a larger gas port for a shorter BM62 gas cylinder lock. The BM59 series of rifles have a drop down gas system. This allowed the Italians to make the op rods straight. So the gas system parts are not interchangeable with the M1 Garand. (minus a few parts for the BM59E, Italian converted M1 Garands for Argentina.) |
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That's a sharp looking rifle OP! Great score. Originally Posted By kbailey3: Yes, that's a conversion that Shuff did, but not a Mini-G. It looks like a BM14. BM59/62 straight gas system, BM62? short muzzle device, with bipod but looks like M14 magazines (hard to tell). If it has BM59 magazines, then its a BM62. The bolt release is his custom made release instead of a BM59. The straight gas systems allows the UltiMAK rail to be mounted with no modification the to op-rod. The op rod should be a straight standard BM59 op rod. It hasn't been shortened since you have the gap between the gas cylinder and the front handguard ferrule. A Mini-G has a shortend op rod and the gas cylinder is butted up against the ferrule. I think the barrel is 16" for a Mini-G and 18" for a standard BM62. If you bought that for $1075, you stole that. Base gun $700 CMP Rack Grade (cheapest if available) Shuff's site says $1500 to convert supplied rifle into a BM14. (parts are now drying up) (that includes modifying the new .308 barrel to BM62 profile, modifying the receiver to accept M14 magazines, modifying the trigger pack to accept and retain the magazines, the new bolt release, repark, and assemble.) Throw in the rail for $205. A BM59 conversion receiver is at least $525 for a modified and reparked receiver. $675 to build a BM59E kit from Sarco on your provided receiver that he modifies and reparks the whole gun. I'm jealous. I've been buy parts for the past year to send off and build some guns. That would have saved me a lot of money. Very jealous. Edit for grammer and to add: James River Armory is selling modernized BM62 for $1700. They have a threaded gas lock and flash hider. That would have been really nice a year ago when I picked up one of their "Tanker" BM62's. I had to sacrifice an original Tri-Comp to get a flash hider on mine. And it was quite the journey to find someone who could cut and thread it. 
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow: That would have been really nice a year ago when I picked up one of their "Tanker" BM62's. I had to sacrifice an original Tri-Comp to get a flash hider on mine. And it was quite the journey to find someone who could cut and thread it. I've been hitting the parts sites for awhile, and noticed that JRA has the threaded BM62 gas cylinder locks for sale a few weeks ago as spare parts on their website. I ordered two with the hopes of suppressing a hybrid Mini-G with a BM drop down gas system. OP, please post some pictures when you receive your new acquisition. |
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I picked it up today. Will post pics later. It didn't come with the mags pictured in the auction. Not sure if I got ripped off or if the seller stated it in the ad, I'll have to check. It's a garand converted to BM59. It's not marked Shuffs anywhere other than the bolt stop, but the finish is so nice, it's probably Shuffs. The stock is gorgeous. I looked at the magwell. It's not the same as an M1A/M14-it doesn't have the rock and lock set up. So I figure it has to be BM59 mags. |
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