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Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: I understand tollslayer's point. Tech is constantly improving and what was the hot thing now is old news in months/years. And some folks don't want to get on that treadmill. And some do. My only advice is to chose your treadmills carefully, as they can get expensive. As an aside, I picked up some of the Monarch 9mm Academy had on sale. It was nice to see how it performed and how consistent the velocity was. Using the Xero was practically an afterthought. It lives in my range bag. Just turn it on, hit a few buttons and I was in bizness, lol. Too easy. Never would have taken the time with my LR to do that. Taking it to the range and setting it up was a deliberate decision. I got enjoyment from that episode using the Garmin that I wouldn't have from my LR. YMMV. That's about how I feel. Some people seem to pay $600 like it is chump change. I have to think pretty hard about a $600 purchase. I've seen different chronographs come and go, the good ones seem to stick around. I feel the Xero is going to stick around. I also think a lot of people used crappy skyscreen chronographs, and seem to just brush them all off as old tech or inferior. I have not tried every one out there by any means, but the Pro Chrono is so stupid reliable. And there's nothing to it, you just hit the on switch and you are ready. The DLX model even sends the stuff right to your phone. Until someone proves otherwise, this is the only chronograph I have found that will read EVERYTHING from bows, to airguns, to rifles and handguns, shotguns, muzzleloaders, slingshots, whatever. As long as it's 20 to 10,000 fps it can read it. I can even get it to register the speed of my hand over it. It just works. All that and it's a whopping $135 at Midway. To top it all off, it seems to be the only chronograph made in the USA. I do think the Garmin Xero looks really nice, but is the 60 seconds it saves really worth an extra $465? You be the judge. |
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Originally Posted By fgshoot: That's about how I feel. Some people seem to pay $600 like it is chump change. I have to think pretty hard about a $600 purchase. I've seen different chronographs come and go, the good ones seem to stick around. I feel the Xero is going to stick around. I also think a lot of people used crappy skyscreen chronographs, and seem to just brush them all off as old tech or inferior. I have not tried every one out there by any means, but the Pro Chrono is so stupid reliable. And there's nothing to it, you just hit the on switch and you are ready. The DLX model even sends the stuff right to your phone. Until someone proves otherwise, this is the only chronograph I have found that will read EVERYTHING from bows, to airguns, to rifles and handguns, shotguns, muzzleloaders, slingshots, whatever. As long as it's 20 to 10,000 fps it can read it. I can even get it to register the speed of my hand over it. It just works. All that and it's a whopping $135 at Midway. To top it all off, it seems to be the only chronograph made in the USA. I do think the Garmin Xero looks really nice, but is the 60 seconds it saves really worth an extra $465? You be the judge. For me, it's worth it. I've used it on arrows, handgun and rifle on one range trip several times. I use the data reloading. But, yeah, it isn't inexpensive, and if you don't actually do anything with the data or use it reloading, I can totally understand it being too expensive. |
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Originally Posted By Logcutter: For me, it's worth it. I've used it on arrows, handgun and rifle on one range trip several times. I use the data reloading. But, yeah, it isn't inexpensive, and if you don't actually do anything with the data or use it reloading, I can totally understand it being too expensive. The pro Chrono dlx records data right to your phone. It's stored in the unit if you don't, up to 900 shots I think. |
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I arrived at the range about 7:45, I was the only one there, so I setup and got my targets downrange pretty quickly. Temp was about 85F when I started shooting at 8:30 +/-... The sky was clear with scattered clouds and the sun was coming up to my 10 o'clock, at about 30-45 degrees. I was in a covered bench area, but the very front of the concrete bench was in the sun (when clouds weren't covering it). At 9am the Xero gave me a warning message that the internal temp was approaching critical ! WTF? It wasn't even 90F yet! I started moving the unit into a shady area between strings - I didn't see that message again, even though temps at 1pm were 111 F... |
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Originally Posted By fgshoot: That's about how I feel. Some people seem to pay $600 like it is chump change. I have to think pretty hard about a $600 purchase. I've seen different chronographs come and go, the good ones seem to stick around. I feel the Xero is going to stick around. I also think a lot of people used crappy skyscreen chronographs, and seem to just brush them all off as old tech or inferior. I have not tried every one out there by any means, but the Pro Chrono is so stupid reliable. And there's nothing to it, you just hit the on switch and you are ready. The DLX model even sends the stuff right to your phone. Until someone proves otherwise, this is the only chronograph I have found that will read EVERYTHING from bows, to airguns, to rifles and handguns, shotguns, muzzleloaders, slingshots, whatever. As long as it's 20 to 10,000 fps it can read it. I can even get it to register the speed of my hand over it. It just works. All that and it's a whopping $135 at Midway. To top it all off, it seems to be the only chronograph made in the USA. I do think the Garmin Xero looks really nice, but is the 60 seconds it saves really worth an extra $465? You be the judge. I think the size of the Garmin is a key attribute. It’s something you can keep in a range bag and put into use with zero preparation or forethought. So far I’ve chronographed air guns & subsonic & supersonic blackout. It hasn’t dropped a shot and the data I’m getting is very close to prior tests with other chronographs. It’s handy & seems solid and the price while competitive with Lab Radar could easily come down over time. It’s also so simple I’d have no reservation loaning it to somebody for a weekend. The Lab Radar always seemed fragile. |
| Just tried mine for the first time. Only 2 complaints. At the where to set the garmin in relation to the muzzle. Would be nice if it auto switched on first shot or add an option to time out of it to chronoing screen. Wasted a few shots because i forgotto hit 'next.'. The other is difference in rifle vs handgun selection. 300 blwck out or 22lr to 223 as an example. Otherwise super easy and cry once buy once and done. Only oncern is when the battery goes to shit in ren years. |
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I used mine for the second time today. I didn’t need the directions something that never happened with my shooting chrony. For the record my shooting chrony worked perfect extremely close data to the garmin it was just a pita to set up and read the directions every time. Also i was just shooting into the berm to get datq. Garmin ive got 25 shot strings multiple times now no shots wasted shooting groups. No worrying about shooting the damn thing. Its litterally like magic 1minute set up and you are rolling. The data magically gos to my phone when i end a string i can name it and add a note It isn’t cheap but its awesome if you want and use data. Ive recorded as much data in 2 trips as what i did in 3 years cause i never wanted to jack with setting up the other one. I can shoot groups collect data and zero wasted components. Now it needs to last 10 years and it will be damn well worth it |
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Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Just tried mine for the first time. Only 2 complaints. At the where to set the garmin in relation to the muzzle. Would be nice if it auto switched on first shot or add an option to time out of it to chronoing screen. Wasted a few shots because i forgotto hit 'next.'. The other is difference in rifle vs handgun selection. 300 blwck out or 22lr to 223 as an example. Otherwise super easy and cry once buy once and done. Only oncern is when the battery goes to shit in ren years. You can turn the location screen off entirely in the settings and save a click between strings. Worst case if the battery is dead in ten years, you can run it plugged into a power bank. |
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Originally Posted By fgshoot: That's about how I feel. Some people seem to pay $600 like it is chump change. I have to think pretty hard about a $600 purchase. I've seen different chronographs come and go, the good ones seem to stick around. I feel the Xero is going to stick around. I also think a lot of people used crappy skyscreen chronographs, and seem to just brush them all off as old tech or inferior. I have not tried every one out there by any means, but the Pro Chrono is so stupid reliable. And there's nothing to it, you just hit the on switch and you are ready. The DLX model even sends the stuff right to your phone. Until someone proves otherwise, this is the only chronograph I have found that will read EVERYTHING from bows, to airguns, to rifles and handguns, shotguns, muzzleloaders, slingshots, whatever. As long as it's 20 to 10,000 fps it can read it. I can even get it to register the speed of my hand over it. It just works. All that and it's a whopping $135 at Midway. To top it all off, it seems to be the only chronograph made in the USA. I do think the Garmin Xero looks really nice, but is the 60 seconds it saves really worth an extra $465? You be the judge. My shooting chrony has always provided good data. The problem I have is that the way my club benches are set up it is close to impossible to shoot for group AND shoot through the screens on an old school chronograph at the same time. I need to shoot groups, then reposition and set up to check velocities. The garmin allows me to do both at the same time. I’ll recoup the $600 in ammo savings in less than a year. |
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Originally Posted By DVCNick: You can turn the location screen off entirely in the settings and save a click between strings. Worst case if the battery is dead in ten years, you can run it plugged into a power bank. Guilty as charged not going into the options. Will rip it open if battery ever craps and garmin doesnt offer service or options. In ten years there will prob be videos on how tos. |
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I finally got to try out my Xero after getting a good deal on it for Father's day. I took it to the indoor range to test out some pistol loads. Here's what I got after using it for the first time: Before going out I paired it to my phone. I thought at first it was having issues syncing to my phone but realized it was taking long because it was downloading an update. Once it was ready to install it prompted me to do so on the unit. It updated rather quickly, less than 2 minutes. Very easy to use after a few button presses. I didn't have to tinker with or anything just shoot. For pistol, I was doing 10 round strings and noticed I was losing half of my shots. It was only registering 5 shots. It took me about 5 strings to notice it. Once I did I slowed down my cadence and looked over at the chrono to see if it registered. From what I gather I might have been shooting too quickly. Only other thing I can think of is maybe my pistol was too far away from it. I'm 6"3' so it's possible I was too far away from it. I'll probably look into getting an adjustable height tripod for it. Overall, very satisfied with it after getting a session in with it. Next up is to test out my 45acp, 38/357 and 223 loads. |
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Originally Posted By pdogthreeohfive: I finally got to try out my Xero after getting a good deal on it for Father's day. I took it to the indoor range to test out some pistol loads. Here's what I got after using it for the first time: Before going out I paired it to my phone. I thought at first it was having issues syncing to my phone but realized it was taking long because it was downloading an update. Once it was ready to install it prompted me to do so on the unit. It updated rather quickly, less than 2 minutes. Very easy to use after a few button presses. I didn't have to tinker with or anything just shoot. For pistol, I was doing 10 round strings and noticed I was losing half of my shots. It was only registering 5 shots. It took me about 5 strings to notice it. Once I did I slowed down my cadence and looked over at the chrono to see if it registered. From what I gather I might have been shooting too quickly. Only other thing I can think of is maybe my pistol was too far away from it. I'm 6"3' so it's possible I was too far away from it. I'll probably look into getting an adjustable height tripod for it. Overall, very satisfied with it after getting a session in with it. Next up is to test out my 45acp, 38/357 and 223 loads. I've missed shots when shooting too quickly. You definitely need a couple seconds between shots. A camera tripod is a worthwhile accessory. I have a lightweight tripod by Slik. It's allowed me to use the Garmin while shooting on a friend's land where we don't have a shooting bench. |
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Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: I've missed shots when shooting too quickly. You definitely need a couple seconds between shots. A camera tripod is a worthwhile accessory. I have a lightweight tripod by Slik. It's allowed me to use the Garmin while shooting on a friend's land where we don't have a shooting bench. Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: Originally Posted By pdogthreeohfive: I finally got to try out my Xero after getting a good deal on it for Father's day. I took it to the indoor range to test out some pistol loads. Here's what I got after using it for the first time: Before going out I paired it to my phone. I thought at first it was having issues syncing to my phone but realized it was taking long because it was downloading an update. Once it was ready to install it prompted me to do so on the unit. It updated rather quickly, less than 2 minutes. Very easy to use after a few button presses. I didn't have to tinker with or anything just shoot. For pistol, I was doing 10 round strings and noticed I was losing half of my shots. It was only registering 5 shots. It took me about 5 strings to notice it. Once I did I slowed down my cadence and looked over at the chrono to see if it registered. From what I gather I might have been shooting too quickly. Only other thing I can think of is maybe my pistol was too far away from it. I'm 6"3' so it's possible I was too far away from it. I'll probably look into getting an adjustable height tripod for it. Overall, very satisfied with it after getting a session in with it. Next up is to test out my 45acp, 38/357 and 223 loads. I've missed shots when shooting too quickly. You definitely need a couple seconds between shots. A camera tripod is a worthwhile accessory. I have a lightweight tripod by Slik. It's allowed me to use the Garmin while shooting on a friend's land where we don't have a shooting bench. That’s good to know. I will definitely shop around for a tripod as well. The stock one works great on a bench but for anything else it helps to have some adjustment. |
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Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Guilty as charged not going into the options. Will rip it open if battery ever craps and garmin doesnt offer service or options. In ten years there will prob be videos on how tos. You won't have to wait that long. The Xero uses the same battery that several other Garmin offerings do and you can order them online with no difficulty. If you can turn a screwdriver you can get inside to replace it easily. |
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Originally Posted By GunsNotPuns: You won't have to wait that long. The Xero uses the same battery that several other Garmin offerings do and you can order them online with no difficulty. If you can turn a screwdriver you can get inside to replace it easily. Originally Posted By GunsNotPuns: Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Guilty as charged not going into the options. Will rip it open if battery ever craps and garmin doesnt offer service or options. In ten years there will prob be videos on how tos. You won't have to wait that long. The Xero uses the same battery that several other Garmin offerings do and you can order them online with no difficulty. If you can turn a screwdriver you can get inside to replace it easily. Good to know! 
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Still loving mine. A couple weeks ago, I decided to try out getting speed data that was not at the muzzle. I set up the chronograph exactly 100 yd from my shooting position behind my backpack that has a level 3A panel in it to avoid accidentally murdering it. I then proceeded to check my 120 yd POI w/ a 22 and BDC reticle. It worked perfectly, which opens up a lot more doors for how to use this thing. I used the 100 yd and average muzzle speed data from earlier that day to see how my BC was working out. Last week it hit me like a ton of bricks that I can use my Magnetospeed for muzzle data and Xero for known distance data on the same shots, so that is on the to-do list for this coming weekend. I also compared my Magnetospeed and Xero side by side to see how consistent they were with each other. On a 19 shot string from my 10/22 shooting CCI SV, the difference between the averages of the two was 1.6 FPS and the difference between the SDs was 0.3 FPS   
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Originally Posted By fordkicksass: Still loving mine. A couple weeks ago, I decided to try out getting speed data that was not at the muzzle. I set up the chronograph exactly 100 yd from my shooting position behind my backpack that has a level 3A panel in it to avoid accidentally murdering it. I then proceeded to check my 120 yd POI w/ a 22 and BDC reticle. It worked perfectly, which opens up a lot more doors for how to use this thing. I used the 100 yd and average muzzle speed data from earlier that day to see how my BC was working out. Last week it hit me like a ton of bricks that I can use my Magnetospeed for muzzle data and Xero for known distance data on the same shots, so that is on the to-do list for this coming weekend. I also compared my Magnetospeed and Xero side by side to see how consistent they were with each other. On a 19 shot string from my 10/22 shooting CCI SV, the difference between the averages of the two was 1.6 FPS and the difference between the SDs was 0.3 FPS Intersting. The BC data from LabRadar is next to useless - as it only goes at 70 yards if lucky. This would be better. Ideally - 2 units, one at muzzle, one at 300 yards, and then into a 600 yard shot-marker target. |
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Originally Posted By kalju: Perhaps a stupid question, but as the device seems to be really popular, will it still work well if you have several Xeros simultaneously active on the firing line? There is a video on YT of a guy running 10 (+/-), been meaning to watch. There are others with multiple Xeros. It is by far, like 1000x’s, better than any I have used. |
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Originally Posted By RWEIII: There is a video on YT of a guy running 10 (+/-), been meaning to watch. There are others with multiple Xeros. It is by far, like 1000x’s, better than any I have used. That video gives half an assurance as there are 10+ Xeros measuring one gun. What if on lanes 1,2,3,4... every shooter has their own? Prolly going to be ok, but would suck to have bought a really popular, fancy and expensive device for it to have interference with neighbour's device/ rifle. |
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Originally Posted By kalju: That video gives half an assurance as there are 10+ Xeros measuring one gun. What if on lanes 1,2,3,4... every shooter has their own? Prolly going to be ok, but would suck to have bought a really popular, fancy and expensive device for it to have interference with neighbour's device/ rifle. I have yet to watch that video. If every shooter has their own the firing line will likely be aglow with JOY!!!! Smiles will abound and happy shooting enthusiasts will have all their shots recorded so that they can mine the data and do whatever they want with it! Interference - that has not been my experience and we tried to see if it would read another shooters shot at the benches on either side of me. Mine DID NOT read anything but ALL of my shots. It is popular for VERY good reasons. It is not fancy at all, very simple and plain in fact. "Expensive" is relative. IT IS A RADAR!!!!!!!! This is a tech forum, if you are jealous, angry, or simply just a crybaby wanting to insinuate and whine please return to GD. |
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Originally Posted By RWEIII: I have yet to watch that video. If every shooter has their own the firing line will likely be aglow with JOY!!!! Smiles will abound and happy shooting enthusiasts will have all their shots recorded so that they can mine the data and do whatever they want with it! Interference - that has not been my experience and we tried to see if it would read another shooters shot at the benches on either side of me. Mine DID NOT read anything but ALL of my shots. It is popular for VERY good reasons. It is not fancy at all, very simple and plain in fact. "Expensive" is relative. IT IS A RADAR!!!!!!!! This is a tech forum, if you are jealous, angry, or simply just a crybaby wanting to insinuate and whine please return to GD. Actually bought one, but have not been able to take it to the range yet (maybe Sunday). Not angry, and don't identify as a crybaby either. |
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| And as per today's first test it was just as simple and easy to use as everyone before me has written. 100% measurement with both rifle and pistol. Wish every new shooting gizmo was as impressive and outright useful as this cool little radar is! |
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Originally Posted By kalju: And as per today's first test it was just as simple and easy to use as everyone before me has written. 100% measurement with both rifle and pistol. Wish every new shooting gizmo was as impressive and outright useful as this cool little radar is! Very glad to hear! |
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I finally got around to making a case (well the foam inserts anyway) for my Garmin Chronograph. Now I can leave my chrono in my car and not have to worry about some dirtbag stealing it. I mean, who would steal a silly first aid kit... The charge cord lives under the ARCA mount.  
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Originally Posted By SyberSniper: BEWARE... the new Xero "Update"(v3.27) removes access to the developer options menu... If you use the 'Shotview' app then you're also out of luck, as it automagically updates the hardware unit without asking. Anymore info on this? Such as - what does that mean? I downloaded the app but have yet to sync as the device has all I need and want... until I find out I need and want things on the app of course. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: I finally got around to making a case (well the foam inserts anyway) for my Garmin Chronograph. Now I can leave my chrono in my car and not have to worry about some dirtbag stealing it. I mean, who would steal a silly first aid kit... The charge cord lives under the ARCA mount. https://i.imgur.com/ktolOMP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aSZ1tbo.jpg Do you like that mount? |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: Love it. The only thing that would make it better is if it did picatinny and arca. If you know someone with a 3D printer you can make a mount for pretty cheap, around $30 iirc. Attached File Attached File |
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Didn't realize how small this device is until USPS delivered one today. Only about 2" x 3" x 1" Crazy they get the electronics/display in such a tiny case. Attached File |
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Really hoping for a good deal on one of these on Black Friday, so I can point the wife at it for a Christmas present. The other day the weather was too crummy to setup my old Chrony to test some gallery loads…. Plus realizing I could test groups and check velocity with the same shots- it actually will save $$ there I think… I see that Caldwell and Labradar have both come out with their own small form factor versions as well. Seems like sticking with the Garmin would still be the smart move though I assume? (Prices seem comparable) |
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Originally Posted By Blowout: Didn't realize how small this device is until USPS delivered one today. Only about 2" x 3" x 1" Crazy they get the electronics/display in such a tiny case. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/375214/LabRadar_Garmin_jpg-3368355.JPG Went from the big to the small Attached File |
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Originally Posted By tac556: Really hoping for a good deal on one of these on Black Friday, so I can point the wife at it for a Christmas present. The other day the weather was too crummy to setup my old Chrony to test some gallery loads . Plus realizing I could test groups and check velocity with the same shots- it actually will save $$ there I think I see that Caldwell and Labradar have both come out with their own small form factor versions as well. Seems like sticking with the Garmin would still be the smart move though I assume? (Prices seem comparable) |
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Originally Posted By kwg020: I bought my Garmin about 6 months ago. It has really made me rethink the reloading I do. I have so many loaded rounds that I just plain got wrong. I am pulling bullets and recycling powder and primed cases. It's the greatest thing since white sliced bread. kwg My two optical chronographs provided me with erroneous data for decades. The data from the first, a PACT Pro, got to be so bad, I knew it was wrong. Nothing would ever repeat (loads from same production lot would never exhibit same MV). I thought it was broken in some way, so I bought a replacement. The replacement, a CED Millennium II, also provided odd data. I was on the verge of throwing both in the trash. I made one final effort to use them. I finally got it right, but it's not the standard set up described in the instructions (which I think may be intended for use with handguns). I wonder, how many other people have been working with bad data from their chronograph? |
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I need a Garmin. I shoot at a state range. Seeing up my pro dlx is a pain as you only get a few minutes for a target check. Also afternoons are out as the covered benches through a huge shadow. Friday was bright and beautiful and after 2 hours wah wah. Shadow was so big and dark chrono was useless. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: My two optical chronographs provided me with erroneous data for decades. The data from the first, a PACT Pro, got to be so bad, I knew it was wrong. Nothing would ever repeat (loads from same production lot would never exhibit same MV). I thought it was broken in some way, so I bought a replacement. The replacement, a CED Millennium II, also provided odd data. I was on the verge of throwing both in the trash. I made one final effort to use them. I finally got it right, but it's not the standard set up described in the instructions (which I think may be intended for use with handguns). I wonder, how many other people have been working with bad data from their chronograph? There is a semi-scientific chrono test 'out there' somewhere that rates the various brands for accuracy against an Ohler-35 with multiple screens setup - the CED came out as the most accurate 'cheap' chrono available with a variance of something like 2~4fps from the Ohler. In my own comparison testing, my CED and PACT were within 2 fps of each other, so I called it good enough back in 2006. Not wanting to trash 20 years of data, when I got the Xero, I compared it to the CED with ammo I loaded and with OEM all from the same time and with the same gun. Even though I had moved to a place 3000' lower elevation and shooting in 20F cooler weather, the chorno data was often within 10~30 fps. Some did have larger differences and some was way-way off - I am now aware of how much wind shaking the sky screens produces erroneous readings, so I do agree that the optical chronos can be way off if your shooting on a windy day. Fortunately, I usually waited for a calm period before shooting, so most of my data is probably good. |
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Originally Posted By Strikefirst: I need a Garmin. I shoot at a state range. Seeing up my pro dlx is a pain as you only get a few minutes for a target check. Also afternoons are out as the covered benches through a huge shadow. Friday was bright and beautiful and after 2 hours wah wah. Shadow was so big and dark chrono was useless. Yup - I can't recommend it highly enough. It truly changes the way you shoot and gather data. Initially, I had a hard time justifying it but am I ever glad I did... |
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