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FLIR Government Systems Thermal Scopes at TNVC (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/11/2012 8:30:23 AM EDT
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TNVC is now offering FLIR's Government Systems products. What does that mean for you? Well, it means that you can now purchase MIL-SPEC Thermal optics with Hardened cores. For a while, these devices were not available to the public. But, recently, some of the FLIR GS optics have been released for commercial sale.
FLIR Advanced Combat ThermoSight 
FLIR’s ThermoSight T50 is a clip-on thermal scope designed for short to medium range engagements. Utilizing a quick detach lever, the T50 easily attaches and detaches from standard M1913 Picatinny rails in front of day scopes. This gives the operator the ability to deploy it on multiple weapon platforms without the need to dedicate a thermal scope. It can also be used as a stand-alone weapon scope with a choice of multiple reticle patterns to cycle through. In stand-alone mode, the T50 can act as a 1X optic or utilize the 2X or 4X electronic zoom. This system is manufactured by FLIR’s Government Systems division and is designed for hard use. The thermal core is fully hardened to MILSPEC and made completely in the U.S. The T50 provides extreme versatility for the modern Warfighter and Law Enforcement Professional. 
The T50 ThermoSight can be used as a hand-held thermal scope or clip-on device for weapon use. It is fully calibrated to maintain boresight with the host day scope. So, there is no point of aim/ point of impact shift when it is attached or detached from a weapon. The T50 is designed primarily for the M4/M16 platform due to its compatibility with short-mid range optics. It is especially well-suited for the Trijicon ACOG, coming equipped with a special adapter interface sleeve for this optic. But, it works well with any 4X optic. We do not recommend going much higher than 4X with the T50 because you will begin to lose resolution. The highest we could go was between 5-6X with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10×32 before focus could not be achieved. But, 4X works likes a charm! 
The height of the T50 allows it to easily see over 12 o’clock-mounted laser modules. The controls are placed on the 9 o’clock side and easily accessible to right-handed shooters. After a few minutes of working with the T50, the control buttons become easy enough to navigate without looking. A footprint dock for a backup mini red dot sight is located on top of the unit and is compatible with standard Doctor sight base styles. 
The T50 Advanced Combat ThermoSight offers weapon sight functionality at a reasonable price compared to other systems on the market. Its multiple weapon use applications and handheld capability make it a truly unique device. As to be expected from a Government System, the T50 is built like a tank. We are very impressed with the capabilities of this system and the price point. For under $11K, you can have a MILSPEC Clip-On Thermal Scope. The resolution of the system means you want to keep it at about 4X. This version of the T50 is available for commercial sale because it lacks the integrated laser. Government models are available with integrated IR and visible lasers. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/flir-advanced-combat-thermosight-t50/ FLIR Recon M24 Thermal Pocket Scope 
The FLIR RECON M24 Monocular is a rugged, lightweight thermal pocket scope. Designed as a multi-use pocket scope, the M24 fits in the palm of your hand. It’s fully Mil-Spec, hardened housing means the thermal core is highly protected against field abuse. The M24 is a small, no-frills thermal scope. It was developed to provide individual thermal capability to Warfighters and Law Enforcement Professionals. Size and weight are of the utmost importance, so extra features like image capture and recording were left out. The M24 is a thermal imager through and through. 
The Recon M24 has easy-to-use controls that allow new operators to quickly master its capabilities. The objective lens is factory set to a fixed focal plane, leaving only the diopter lens open to adjustment. Power is controlled with a lockable rotating dial that exposes the brightness control wheel when open. In fact, the clever layout of the controls adds a lot to the easy user interface. 
The RECON M24 is one of the handiest little thermal imagers available. For the price and size, there is no comparison with other models on the market, especially because the M24 features a hardened Mil-Spec thermal core. All internal components are made right here in the US. One of our favorite aspects of the M24 is the control layout. The innovative control scheme is highly intuitive, keeping the functions locked when the unit is turned off. The fixed focal plane keeps focusing the unit quick and easy. Another really nice feature is the hot-swappable batteries. You can change the batteries one at a time without killing power. 
As mentioned already, the M24 is designed as a small pocket scope. The 19mm lens is small and does not offer a lot of range, but can easily detect people out to 300 yards. The M24 is a great option for rugged environments. Two versions are available 320 x 240 http://www.tnvc.com/shop/flir-recon-m24-320x240/ 640 x 480 http://www.tnvc.com/shop/flir-recon-m24-640x480/ http://www.tnvc.com/ |
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Well now the question is what do I want more a FLIR Advanced Combat ThermoSight or or a Transferable Full Auto carbine  Would be really handy for hunting coyotes around here.....Makes you wonder what the military has now if they are allowing us civialians to have these
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Originally Posted By ZachTA:
Originally Posted By TNVC_Clasky:
Well, seeing as how full-auto is a waste in a gunfight except for initiating or breaking contact, you will probably get more use out of the T50...  I here a sales pitch in there 
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Clasky:
Originally Posted By ZachTA:
Originally Posted By TNVC_Clasky:
Well, seeing as how full-auto is a waste in a gunfight except for initiating or breaking contact, you will probably get more use out of the T50... I Hear a sales pitch in there
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The more things change the more the stay the same...
in the civil war, infantry swiftly learned to dig in at first sign of sustained battle - fire pit within hours, trench with abbattis within a day. Most of the battles in the last year of the war looked like trench warfare of ww1. So with NV and now thermal, as soon as infantry get into contact, the only solution is instant trenching. |
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The tan laser is a L3-Insight APTIAL Laser. Visible Red Pointer/IR Pointer and IR Illuminator.
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Here is a graph of the FLIR Tau 2 640 17 micron thermal core, the 320 core will be 1/4 the range of the 640:
This should help you to make a decision on which FLIR RS thermal scope version is right for you. |
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We will be testing all these units out in the field on some hogs and coyotes next weekend if weather permits, ah hell even if the weather is crappy we'll test them out.
RS-32 1.25-5 320X240 19mm $ 3,999 RS-32 2.25-9 320X240 35mm $ 4,499 RS-32 4-16 320X340 60mm $ 7,499 RS-64 1.1-9 640X480 35mm $ 6,499 RS-64 2-16 640X480 60mm $ 8,999 Video and pics and reviews to follow.... |
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Okay, we have been out in the woods using the new FLIR RS Thermal Weapon scopes for the last four day, so forgive me for not answering emails and PMs as we were up at 4AM hunting all day and home again at 2AM to butcher out the night kills. Running full bore on 2-3 hours of sleep per day or perhaps a nap during the afternoon in a stand tends to run you down some....
It was a difficult time with the weather as it was record heat here with 100% mono-thermal environmental temperatures due to the rain and fog and 100% humidity, making it difficult to use both NV & Thermal, but we scored good and all had a damn good time. One night we had clear skies and was the best for using all the high-tech gear and it was put to best good use that night. I think the funniest story was when we put Victor DiCosola of TNVC on a hog trail by himself with my SIG 556, FLIR T-70/ACOG and DBAL-D2 laser illuminator, two other groups were a 1/4 mile away from him and heard sounder groups of hogs approaching in the night through the thick inpenetrable swamps all around us. Vic had probably a 30 foot clear shooting range from dense underbrush in the hardwood hammock all around him sitting in a chair. He did not know the other groups had heard the hogs coming up out of the swamps into the hardwood hammock as he was alone in the woods. But the hogs bypassed our two other groups somehow and headed up the trial that we had Vic setup on. He heard quite a bit of thrashing and grunting all around him and low and behold he was surrounded by a large sounder coming right in the trail on him, see eyes he scrambled to get into a shooting position, hoping that the hogs right near all around him would not charge him, one shot right between the eyes with a handloaded Barnes 70 grain TSX dropped a hog in it tracks and the sounder busted out through the woods scrambling all around him. Probably would have been much safer to have been in a tree stand next time!!! LOL Angelo Brewer of FLIR Corporation brought six of the FLIR RS Thermal weapon scopes with him, we sighted them in at laser measured 50 yards on a handwarmer and were shootin 1/4-1/2 groups in two minutes after first putting the scopes on, the scopes are super easy to sight in, for accuracy I would recommend shooting at 200 yards for final dial in. Three hogs were taken down with both the FLIR RS64-60mm lens, the FLIR RS35-60mm and FLIR RS64-35mm. All worked very well under the extreme environmental conditions and were simple to setup and adjust. If you can use a FLIR PS-32 or LS-64, you can use one of these thermal instruments as they are very intuitive to use and functional to adjust in the night. Here are some pics from our hunts: FLIR RS64-60mm on my SIG 556: 
Guns and FLIR Thermals in trunk: 
Rifles sighted in: 
My shooting range on power line at night through thermal: 
Angelos' Noveske on his stand: 
Angelos' first sow hog: 
Nicks RS35-60mm hog @ 125 yards: 
RS35-35mm hog at 125 yards: 
Vic on his stand after sunrise: 
Group hog pic: 
Vic with ANVIS and his nice tusker: 
Finishing up dressing out the hogs: 
More to come on the use and performance of the FLIR RS scopes later, stay tuned.... |
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Just some more FLIR RS Thermal Weapon scope porn....
So far I have got to say that I really DO LIKE the RS32-35mm lens and the RS32-19mm lens scopes, they actually perform way better than I though they would (very clear with a wide field of view) and are perfectly capable of a 225 yard accurate targeting shot even when magnified, these are the best bang for the buck in thermal that I know. The two RS64-60mm lens and the RS32-60mm lens are great for long range targeting but you give up allot of FOV in the process, would work excellent out in wide open pastures, agricultural crops, and higher mountain elevations where you had 300+ yards of clear view at night. |
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
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Three other shooters, all with NV, and NONE of them could see this hog back in the deep brush but me with the FLIR T-70, one headshot put the swine down.
Everyone is standing around asking me how I saw him and how I could possibly shoot him in the head? 
THERMAL BABY!!! 
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FLIR RS64-35mm coyote video at 200 yards in drizzling rain, 42*F, pitch dark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjWg8P4ysU0&feature=youtu.be 
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Ok, I've seen this on other thermal scopes, with which I'm not terribly familiar. I get the T50 is designed as a clip on in front of the existing optic - Aimpoint, ACOG, 1-4X, etc. But while the screen is in line with the scope, the thermal sensor is higher in relation to the bore. So how is this true:
"It is fully calibrated to maintain boresight with the host day scope. So, there is no point of aim/ point of impact shift when it is attached or detached from a weapon."? You've just moved the effective level of your scope up, by what, an inch? How does that not change the point of impact? |
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It is colimated specifically for both the ACOG and ELCAN so that POA=POI and works beautifully. A DBAL top mounted laser also does not interfere with the view at all, as they are designed that way.
First cold bore shot is down to the left. |
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More physics, please. How is the POI not 1" lower from the POA?
If I substitute a web cam for the thermal sensor and a telephone screen for the objective in front of the scope, and place the web cam center 1" above the scope center, how will the POI NOT be off by 1" from POA? |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
More physics, please. How is the POI not 1" lower from the POA? If I substitute a web cam for the thermal sensor and a telephone screen for the objective in front of the scope, and place the web cam center 1" above the scope center, how will the POI NOT be off by 1" from POA? That is the way that the instruments are collimated. |
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Here is how I sighted in my RS64-35mm today, zero at 50 yards onto hot hand warmer and then move to 200 yard for the last couple of clicks:
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| Sorry, repeating the word collimation over & over w/o explaining @ what range, with what bullet, & which velocity, is meaningless. You have changed the POI by 1" from POA. The scope may be adjusted to account for that @ a specific range, but all that's been done is you've angled the POA down. @ a given range, your POA will now be below the POI. |
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Does not work that way, the germanium lens is collimated at the FLIR GS factory for either the ACOG or ELCAN as I previously mentioned three times here, there is no difference in POA+POI.
All of the aiming takes place through either the ACOG or ELCAN scope, whey you put the FLIR GS clip-on thermal in front of the scopes for which the units are factory collimated there is ZERO change in POA or POI from when you were using day optics. In other words, the addition of the thermal clip-on does NOT change the reticule of the day optic already zeroed. I simply zero my ACOG or ELCAN at 50 yards during the day without the thermal clip on, then rezero at 200 yards. Now, when I add the thermal clip on there is no change in bullseye what so ever. The collimation of the lenses is one of the reasons why thermal clip ons cost more than thermal dedicated scopes. |
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| Skypup, @ what range is this thing adjusted to? 200 yards? Then say the POI for XYZ ammo out of a 14.5" bbl is the same as POA @ 200. If the imager is 1" above the scope, you cannot have POI the same as POA for the entire trajejctory of the bullet. |
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I know that, all four of my day scope ACOGs and ELCANs are sighted in at 200 yards on all four of my 5.56mm and 7.62mms in broad daylight, then when I put any of my four FLIR GS clip on thermals in front of any of those four scopes, they all continue to shoot bullseye at 200 yards, day or night. There is no change in POI at 200 yards with or without the clip ons on all four rifles.
They all have been doing this for a couple of years now without any problems. |
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| Ok, the scope is internally adjusted to maintain POI @ 200 yds. That I can buy. @ 600 yds, it'll be off, but I don't imagine you're making 600 yd shots @ night. |
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| Using the ballistic reticule in either the ACOG or ELCAN I could make a 600 yard shot, but at night I limit my shots to under 250 yards. |
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FLIR RS64-35mm on my kick arse Ruger #1 master sniper blaster, there is absolutely nothing anywhere near my backyard that can survive on handloaded 7mm Rem Mag!
HOGS N' DOGS BE GONE!
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
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Originally Posted By CI581:
that looks good on it. Some of the old meets some of the new! I've had the Ruger #1 sine 1975 and nothing walks away from it... |
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
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Originally Posted By eracer:
Beautiful gun, and I get it. Function over form, I guess... Still, that's like an Aimpoint on a Purdey... Just shouldn't be done.  Now there's a challenge. I just don't have the money to accept it...
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Just some representative pics through the FLIR RS64-35mm of some deer hanging around my game cam tree at 175 yards in the dark on a nice night, the forest canopy is @ 225 yards and you can easily see into the tree canopy out 300 yards plus.
The FOV and resolution are very similar to my expensive FLIR GS T-70 Thermal Clip-Ons... I'll post some video tomorrow when I get a chance. 
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Here is a You-Tube video of the FLIR RS64-35mm thermal weapon scope of some deer out back of the house, my game cam tree they are standing around is a laser measured 175 yards distant, the beginning of the slash pine tree canopy behind that is 225 yards and you can see out into the canopy 300 or so yards clearly. The deer are from 175 to 225 yards in the video.
Pitch black dark out, 50*F, no fog or rain. You can run the video on 720 pixels as that is what it is recorded at for better clarity and representation of what you actually see though the scope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m3rnZg0wcE&feature=youtu.be |
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Here is a representative video of the FLIR RS64-35mm thermal system at 125 yards of looking at a possum hanging around some dead hog offal adjacent to the alligator pond in my backyard, the game cam tree is 175 yards out and the slash pine tree canopy is 225 yards out.
WARNING: No possum was injured during the filming of this thermal video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPEa498rvw Again, you can run the video in 720 HD full screen to get an idea of the thermal performance of this system... |
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
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Video of 200 pound hog dropping dead @ 175 yards with SIG 556 with FLIR RS64-35mm thermal weapon scope using IMI Razor NATO 77grain Sierra MatchKing ammo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpH6W8RjyYo DRT!
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
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I love it when hogs drop dead like this one at a laser measured 175 yards:
As Ramblin'Wreck said, "Silence of the Hams!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpH6W8RjyYo |
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
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Instructional Video on how to set the zero on your new FLIR RS scope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmFczGpQiyc&feature=youtu.be |
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Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
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Had a great hog hunt last night with the SIG 556 FLIR T-70 using IMI NATO 77gr Sierra MatchKings, shot three large boar hogs at various ranges and recovered two nice ones. Sky was clear, temp upper 50's and stars out bright with no moon, just a beautiful night to be out in the swamps hog hunting with the FLIR thermal gear.
This was in a large 1,500 acre flooded pasture with about 6-8 inches of water laying in it, used the FLIR LS-64 and PS-32 for find the loaner boars spread out around the prairie ponds and stalked them out from about 1/2 mile out. Shot three and recovered two, on made it over a berm embankment and into some thick brush and could not find him. 
Short video of the hog kills, nailed three and recovered two, in a foot deep water in middle of swamp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pwPiWVGD1c |
Nullius In Verba
Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
I spend my money on dogs, hunting, racing, women, and whiskey - the rest I waste.
Habe Mut, dich deines eigenen Verstandes zu bedienen.
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