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Posted: 8/22/2026 1:39:22 PM EDT
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This one is a real treat and it's amazingly still in absolutely gorgeous condition. It's also interesting how much of this gun remained in the design through to today.  The Very First FAL Prototype (in 8mm Kurz) https://youtu.be/Tno1jLnYteQ?si=y1BpEY0LluqL-Jii |
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: I found it very interesting to see the original design in fine detail. Having built a half dozen of these I am very familiar with the details of the production metric version. Seeing where it all came from was really cool. Sometimes the first generations are almost unrecognizable. This rifle is clearly a FAL in many familiar ways. There's no mistaking that. On thing that did surprise me was that it's chambered in 7.92mm Kurtz. Even at that point of the design, it seems like a very heavy and overbuilt rifle for that cartridge. It's kind of a shame that NATO standardized on 7.62x51. It would have been an interesting alternate reality if NATO and the US adopted the British 7x43mm (.280) for rifles (and adopted the US 45ACP for pistols instead of 9mm). |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: @stimpsonjcat You were the 1st person I thought of when I watched that video, given that you converted a FAL to the complete opposite of its beginnings.  Secrets of the 8mm FAL revealed! |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: Sometimes the first generations are almost unrecognizable. This rifle is clearly a FAL in many familiar ways. There's no mistaking that. Originally Posted By dmk0210: Sometimes the first generations are almost unrecognizable. This rifle is clearly a FAL in many familiar ways. There's no mistaking that. Indeed. Very cool. On thing that did surprise me was that it's chambered in 7.92mm Kurtz. Even at that point of the design, it seems like a very heavy and overbuilt rifle for that cartridge. Agreed. It would have been an interesting alternate reality if NATO and the US adopted the British 7x43mm (.280) for rifles (and adopted the US 45ACP for pistols instead of 9mm). If you want to talk alternate reality, how about 7.92 Kurz necked down to... something between .25 and 7mm. The US could have just adopted the 276 Pederson along with the original Garand and pre-empted the British 280 by a couple decades and a world war. Apply the 30-06 to 308 treatment to the 276 Pederson and you'd have a bit more powerful version of 6.8SPC. Another route to something very similar to the necked-down Kurz. Chamber the T44, T48 and AR10 in one of those cartridges and the AR10 wins. 50 years earlier than the route small arms development took. |
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Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat: OK, watched the video, it bothers me the locking shoulder doesn't go all the way through the receiver. How do replace? @stimpsonjcat Hi fellow FALFiles resident! I remember watching along as you built that 8X57mm FAL. Something I'll never forget. Especially finding existing magazines for that cartridge! |
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