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Dillon RT 1050 with a Ponsness Warren auto drive (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/9/2013 5:11:55 PM EDT
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I just picked up a used RT 1050 and plan to use this machine for 223 & 308 case prep only. I’m aware that the RT1050 can’t load 308 due to OAL.
I plan to process volume so I want to convert the primer catch to a tube type system. Do you guy’s have a link or parts list to convert? I was thinking a simple threaded hose barb would work. Do any of you know someone selling the auto drive set up? There was someone in EE selling one a while back that I can’t find. Thanks in advance. |
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Originally Posted By 1911smith:
It's all been done by forum members here. ReefRaider, Flamethrower and Angus6 come to mind. RR will be along or IM him. Yes! They are my inspiration. LOL! RR filled me in on Mr. Bullet feeder. I have since made friends with Rick the owner and have two of his systems. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Do any of you know someone selling the auto drive set up? There was someone in EE selling one a while back that I can’t find. That was me, I think. Sold it a while back. Sorry. Not the nest choice for brass prep. Trimmed OAL was all over the place. Went back to doing it the old fashioned way. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Do any of you know someone selling the auto drive set up? There was someone in EE selling one a while back that I can’t find. That was me, I think. Sold it a while back. Sorry. Not the nest choice for brass prep. Trimmed OAL was all over the place. Went back to doing it the old fashioned way. I bet the primer crimp swagger on the 1050 is the reason for the trim length variation, any time you have a station other than the size/trim station with varying pressure on the tool head it will throw off the trim length, the RT-1200 trimmers are most consistent when the trim die is the die applying the most force on the tool head. |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
Originally Posted By Hoser:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Do any of you know someone selling the auto drive set up? There was someone in EE selling one a while back that I can’t find. That was me, I think. Sold it a while back. Sorry. Not the nest choice for brass prep. Trimmed OAL was all over the place. Went back to doing it the old fashioned way. I bet the primer crimp swagger on the 1050 is the reason for the trim length variation, any time you have a station other than the size/trim station with varying pressure on the tool head it will throw off the trim length, the RT-1200 trimmers are most consistent when the trim die is the die applying the most force on the tool head. That is what I do on my little 550 |
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| I currently prep on my 650. I decap on station 1 and trim/size on 4 to attempt apply even force across the tool head. Results have been consistent. My plan on the 1050 was to run the trim/size and Lyman M die opposite to the decap and swage dies to even out the force/horizontal torque on the tool head. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
I currently prep on my 650. I decap on station 1 and trim/size on 4 to attempt apply even force across the tool head. Results have been consistent. My plan on the 1050 was to run the trim/size and Lyman M die opposite to the decap and swage dies to even out the force/horizontal torque on the tool head. I have a super 1050, and as long as you keep the stations full, you will have pretty even results. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very wellOriginally Posted By Cdog: Do any of you know someone selling the auto drive set up? There was someone in EE selling one a while back that I can’t find. That was me, I think. Sold it a while back. Sorry. Not the nest choice for brass prep. Trimmed OAL was all over the place. Went back to doing it the old fashioned way. |
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Originally Posted By phil3333:
how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match. |
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Originally Posted By PMD:
Another option to the PW auto drive is the Direct drive by Forcht. http://www.forchtfirearms.com/ He modified my RL1050 and PW. In my opinion it works 100% better than the PW. I like |
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Originally Posted By PMD:
Another option to the PW auto drive is the Direct drive by Forcht. http://www.forchtfirearms.com/ He modified my RL1050 and PW. In my opinion it works 100% better than the PW. I emailed him already and got a price breakdown. Basically you’ll need the PW set up and have to ship it and the 1050 +600 bucks to get his version. Lotta $$$$! |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
I emailed him already and got a price breakdown. Basically you’ll need the PW set up and have to ship it and the 1050 +600 bucks to get his version. Lotta $$$$! If you don't have a PW I was told and I think it's on his website that he can provide the parts and a stronger motor. Yes it is pricey - but having owned two PW setups I think the direct drive is a much better mousetrap. He does list prices on the website.. |
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Originally Posted By angus6:
I like I don't remember exactly what is modified on the machine itself. I do know he removes and re makes a few of the factory Dillon parts which can be put back if wanting to hand operate. The parts he manufactures are really well done. I'll try to take a closeup picture to show.. |
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Since I’m only using this machine for brass prep I figured the PW set up should work fine. I’ll be removing the primer and powder function from the press. After loading 18k + 223 rounds in my super 1050 I’ve found 99% of any issues I’ve had have come from the primer station.
For those of you who have had issues with the PW set up, what were the problem areas? Heres the list from Forcht. Does anyone have a part number for the electric motor and clutch assy? Conversion Pricing Dillon 1050 rotary conversion (RL1050 AND Super 1050) Benefits: 1: easy to set up 2: adjustable output ratio (requires additional sprockets sold separately) 3: smoother indexing 4: no binding or broken linkages 5: never have to adjust linkages again 6: ability to revert back to hand operation if desired. $600.00 for basic conversion plus shipping. (requires existing ponsness already in place) if you do not have a ponsness drive already in place. the cost of conversion will be higher as there are parts of the posness that are re-used in the conversion process. These parts need to be purchased or made to complete the conversion process. items re-used from ponsness drive setup cost to supply them if a drive is not already in place. $375.00.... drive motor -- 1/4 hp motor not 1/8 like ponsness uses 110 or 220v available if buying new motor please specify as 110v is standard $75.00......clutch assy $125.00.... motor mount NOTES: 1: this conversion is for the Dillon RL1050 and the Super 1050. previously only offered for the RL1050 2: Requires sending me your complete press with shell plate and drive motor (if equipped). Including the complete clutch assembly on the motor (if equipped). the reason I want the entire press is simple. I want to make sure it works properly before shipping it back to you. 3: What I DO NOT need: The linkage arm on the existing drive assy. dies, powder measure etc. basically everything removed from the tool head. you can leave the dies in place if you prefer not to remove them I do not need the handle either. |
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Originally Posted By dusten:
I am interested in this as well, what did he quote you for a turn around time? The only automatated press I have seen was an auto-drive equiped 650 that had lots of problems and I lost faith in buying one for my 1050. $1200 + shipping. It’s gonna hurt, but it’ll be cool. I have a 650 and a super 1050. The 650 is great but rickety compared to the 1050. I would never guess that an auto arm would work well on the 650 for anything other than cycling to decap and size brass.
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By dusten:
I am interested in this as well, what did he quote you for a turn around time? The only automatated press I have seen was an auto-drive equiped 650 that had lots of problems and I lost faith in buying one for my 1050. $1200 + shipping. It’s gonna hurt, but it’ll be cool. I have a 650 and a super 1050. The 650 is great but rickety compared to the 1050. I would never guess that an auto arm would work well on the 650 for anything other than cycling to decap and size brass.I was asking how much time he said it would take. Basically wondering how long I would be out a press if I sent it in. |
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Originally Posted By PMD:
Originally Posted By PMD:
Originally Posted By angus6:
I like I don't remember exactly what is modified on the machine itself. I do know he removes and re makes a few of the factory Dillon parts which can be put back if wanting to hand operate. The parts he manufactures are really well done. I'll try to take a closeup picture to show.. Here's picture of a couple of the fabricated parts and where the frame is modified. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o197/pmd5/RL1050/image_zpsed75b004.jpg http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o197/pmd5/RL1050/image_zps436d2f2f.jpg http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o197/pmd5/RL1050/image_zpsc4fbe59b.jpg The only modification I can see is on the last pic, where he cuts off rear cast reinforcement and threads it so you can put it back on. Looks like the base is modified too. How does the press itself work? Does it ride the lobe of the cam? It's quite different than a stock super 1050. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333: how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match. ![]() |
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Hondaciv,
The parts in picture 1 and 2 are fabricated by Forcht as well as the upper part in pic #3. My machine #1 is set up for 9mm and I only use processed brass and the machine runs smooth. You can't leave these machines unattended because the occasional bullet drops or a case gets stuck. If you are not there to stop the machine it could get ugly and possibly break something. Btw.. I went the automated route due to the start of tennis elbow - 50k + pulls a year is not good for the body. Since automation no tennis elbow. |
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Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By Hoser: ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333: how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match. ![]() I take it this machine only does straight wall pistol cartridges, I would love to find a machine that does bottleneck rifle brass it would be awesome to size and swage primer pockets on a machine like this
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Originally Posted By phil3333:
Originally Posted By phil3333:
Originally Posted By Hoser:
ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333:
how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match.
I take it this machine only does straight wall pistol cartridges, I would love to find a machine that does bottleneck rifle brass it would be awesome to size and swage primer pockets on a machine like this This is what I'm planning to do with mine. Processing 223 & 308. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog: Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By Hoser: ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333: how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match. ![]() I take it this machine only does straight wall pistol cartridges, I would love to find a machine that does bottleneck rifle brass it would be awesome to size and swage primer pockets on a machine like this This is what I'm planning to do with mine. Processing 223 & 308. wait I am confused do they make a machine for rifle brass I didnt see one on their web site,if this is a project your doing I would be interested in how it comes out,I process a lot of rifle brass
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Originally Posted By phil3333:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By phil3333:
Originally Posted By phil3333:
Originally Posted By Hoser:
ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333:
how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match.
I take it this machine only does straight wall pistol cartridges, I would love to find a machine that does bottleneck rifle brass it would be awesome to size and swage primer pockets on a machine like this This is what I'm planning to do with mine. Processing 223 & 308. wait I am confused do they make a machine for rifle brass I didnt see one on their web site,if this is a project your doing I would be interested in how it comes out,I process a lot of rifle brass The machine is a dillon 1050 modded to run by electric motor. It will do any caliber a 1050 can do. Ill keep you guys updated. Mine will be shipping out to him by the end of the week. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Another bump for Reef raiders input. I’d like to hear from RR before I lay down the credit card on a auto drive later today. Been busy as of late It was just the other day I had both presses running and I was thinking maybe I have seen it all by now. Just then the one press stopped dead in its tracks. I put the drive unit in reverse to raise the tool head. Here was a case that had feed into the shell plate upside down and was case head UP !. It then balanced as the shellplate moved it into the 2nd station. Were the carbide sizing die punched a hole in to the primer then smashed the case neck into the shellplate. While no damage was done to the machine. It was still a 1st for me. Now I just wonder whats next ! |
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our automation tech at work keeps bugging me to let him set a auto drive system up with my press, I sure he would come up with something like the P/W unit but I'm liking the looks of the Forcht system maybe add a freq drive to slow it down for making 300BLK brass.
Reef what are your thoughts on the Forcht unit ? |
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Now that I have seen the pic.
That is an RL . I have seen those on direct drive units too. They use a clutch between the motor and press too. I didn't think a Super could be put on that type of drive. The off set of the pivot arm is what gives the super the extra travel in the tool head for doing .308. I would think changing a super over to that type of drive would do one of two things. #1 would be it would shorten the stroke lenght. #2 would be a lot more stress on the ram at the press frame. That open chain drive would not stay like that for long here. The weak link in the super is the key way on the crank. Thats were you will get the most play from at the tool head. When processing brass that play makes the toolhead pop up as the exspander ball clears the case neck. The poping of the toolhead makes the case getting feed into the shellplate boble. When the case plunger jumps forward in its travel. This results in a number of types of stopages to the case feed. I had the key ways recut and new hardend keys made. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog: Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By Cdog: Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By phil3333: Originally Posted By Hoser: ya thats what i thought,now I am off to google to find out about this roll sizerOriginally Posted By phil3333: how did that drive work, I have looked at them but with as many hiccups I get while just doing things by hand it seems it wouldnt work very well It worked ok, but I never had the faith in it to just walk away and let it do its thing. I then ended up babysitting it and watching it run. If a case got fed into the shellplate sideways, it would snap a decapping pin and cause other headaches. I sold it and used the $$$ to buy an Autodrive for my CasePro roll sizer. Now that is a perfect match. ![]() I take it this machine only does straight wall pistol cartridges, I would love to find a machine that does bottleneck rifle brass it would be awesome to size and swage primer pockets on a machine like this This is what I'm planning to do with mine. Processing 223 & 308. wait I am confused do they make a machine for rifle brass I didnt see one on their web site,if this is a project your doing I would be interested in how it comes out,I process a lot of rifle brass The machine is a dillon 1050 modded to run by electric motor. It will do any caliber a 1050 can do. Ill keep you guys updated. Mine will be shipping out to him by the end of the week. i was talking about the roll sizer machine,though an upgrade to the 1050 is on my list also |
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Originally Posted By BSOG1:
thats awesome, but it doesnt work with 308 ? The RL 1050 will not do .308 . As a side note I see a Super 1050 on that bench. I wonder what is being done to that ?? |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Here’s the progress pic from Sunday. Should be back on a Ups truck in a day or two. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z280/azc1967/Image5_zps199012e7.jpg so this is a pic that Forcht sent you of the progress on your 1050? did he say what a normal turn around time on these are? i have been looking into the 1050 auto-drive systems, other than PW and Forcht who else makes them for customers? i have seen a few one off custom builds but those are not for sale. i am liking the chain drive better since it is always in the same motion and gets rid of the cam system, mine feels clunky when done by hand, also his roller shaft replacement set up looks real nice as well as what he uses to replace the index lever. does he do anything to make the primer system any better? seems every problem i get is from the primer set up on this not moving the bar enough. |
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Here’s the progress pic from Sunday. Should be back on a Ups truck in a day or two. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z280/azc1967/Image5_zps199012e7.jpg so this is a pic that Forcht sent you of the progress on your 1050? did he say what a normal turn around time on these are? i have been looking into the 1050 auto-drive systems, other than PW and Forcht who else makes them for customers? i have seen a few one off custom builds but those are not for sale. i am liking the chain drive better since it is always in the same motion and gets rid of the cam system, mine feels clunky when done by hand, also his roller shaft replacement set up looks real nice as well as what he uses to replace the index lever. does he do anything to make the primer system any better? seems every problem i get is from the primer set up on this not moving the bar enough. Yes. I have it back now and got it up and working. I have it set up as a prep machine only. Turn around was 3 weeks. It took a little tweaking to make perfect but I got the bugs worked out now. I don’t think I’d load on it as I prefer to keep that process manual on my Super 1050. Here’s a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwFvWmNXi8U |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Here’s the progress pic from Sunday. Should be back on a Ups truck in a day or two. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z280/azc1967/Image5_zps199012e7.jpg so this is a pic that Forcht sent you of the progress on your 1050? did he say what a normal turn around time on these are? i have been looking into the 1050 auto-drive systems, other than PW and Forcht who else makes them for customers? i have seen a few one off custom builds but those are not for sale. i am liking the chain drive better since it is always in the same motion and gets rid of the cam system, mine feels clunky when done by hand, also his roller shaft replacement set up looks real nice as well as what he uses to replace the index lever. does he do anything to make the primer system any better? seems every problem i get is from the primer set up on this not moving the bar enough. Yes. I have it back now and got it up and working. I have it set up as a prep machine only. Turn around was 3 weeks. It took a little tweaking to make perfect but I got the bugs worked out now. I don’t think I’d load on it as I prefer to keep that process manual on my Super 1050. Here’s a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwFvWmNXi8U that's awesome!! what is your tool head set up on there? the die after your trimmer, is that to clean up the burr left on the case? |
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Here’s the progress pic from Sunday. Should be back on a Ups truck in a day or two. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z280/azc1967/Image5_zps199012e7.jpg so this is a pic that Forcht sent you of the progress on your 1050? did he say what a normal turn around time on these are? i have been looking into the 1050 auto-drive systems, other than PW and Forcht who else makes them for customers? i have seen a few one off custom builds but those are not for sale. i am liking the chain drive better since it is always in the same motion and gets rid of the cam system, mine feels clunky when done by hand, also his roller shaft replacement set up looks real nice as well as what he uses to replace the index lever. does he do anything to make the primer system any better? seems every problem i get is from the primer set up on this not moving the bar enough. Yes. I have it back now and got it up and working. I have it set up as a prep machine only. Turn around was 3 weeks. It took a little tweaking to make perfect but I got the bugs worked out now. I don’t think I’d load on it as I prefer to keep that process manual on my Super 1050. Here’s a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwFvWmNXi8U that's awesome!! what is your tool head set up on there? the die after your trimmer, is that to clean up the burr left on the case? It’s a Lyman M die to debur and prep case mouth for the Mr. Bullet feeder. I’m pleased with the outcome. Makes case prep much less painful. I did 3k on it so far. I had to weld a ball on the end of the spring loaded trip pawl to get a full smooth rotation on the shell plate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPt4uN5zAyQ As far as loading on it goes. I seem to have a lot of issues with the primer system on the super 1050. Crunching, spitting and missing primers. That’s why I’m hesitant to load with the auto drive. |
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Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Cdog:
Here’s the progress pic from Sunday. Should be back on a Ups truck in a day or two. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z280/azc1967/Image5_zps199012e7.jpg so this is a pic that Forcht sent you of the progress on your 1050? did he say what a normal turn around time on these are? i have been looking into the 1050 auto-drive systems, other than PW and Forcht who else makes them for customers? i have seen a few one off custom builds but those are not for sale. i am liking the chain drive better since it is always in the same motion and gets rid of the cam system, mine feels clunky when done by hand, also his roller shaft replacement set up looks real nice as well as what he uses to replace the index lever. does he do anything to make the primer system any better? seems every problem i get is from the primer set up on this not moving the bar enough. Yes. I have it back now and got it up and working. I have it set up as a prep machine only. Turn around was 3 weeks. It took a little tweaking to make perfect but I got the bugs worked out now. I don’t think I’d load on it as I prefer to keep that process manual on my Super 1050. Here’s a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwFvWmNXi8U that's awesome!! what is your tool head set up on there? the die after your trimmer, is that to clean up the burr left on the case? It’s a Lyman M die to debur and prep case mouth for the Mr. Bullet feeder. I’m pleased with the outcome. Makes case prep much less painful. I did 3k on it so far. I had to weld a ball on the end of the spring loaded trip pawl to get a full smooth rotation on the shell plate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPt4uN5zAyQ As far as loading on it goes. I seem to have a lot of issues with the primer system on the super 1050. Crunching, spitting and missing primers. That’s why I’m hesitant to load with the auto drive. That's awesome... I have a 1050 incoming. Trying to figure out which auto drive system to order. I haw a PW for my 650 showing up tomorrow, gonna play around with that. |
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It’s gonna hurt, but it’ll be cool. I have a 650 and a super 1050. The 650 is great but rickety compared to the 1050. I would never guess that an auto arm would work well on the 650 for anything other than cycling to decap and size brass.





