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YouTube seems to be filled with videos comparing the 650 and 750, but not very many comparing the 750 to the 1050. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a 1050 regardless, I'm young enough that even small positive changes will make the extra money worth it over the next 40 years of reloading. But, for my edification, can someone clue me in? I know the 1050 can have an ammobot or mk7 added to it, and I know it can primer pocket swage, but beyond that, what are the real advantages? You can't technically go from start to finish on 5.56 if you're trimming, so you're still relegated you 2 passes through and swapping dies or a tool head. Thanks for any info |
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The biggest differences are: 1050 has a primer pocket swaging station. 1050 primes on the upstroke, 750 you push forward to prime on the down stroke. 750 pushes the cases up to the toolhead, 1050 pushes the toolhead down to the cases. Maybe a 100 round per hour difference ahead for the 1050 in all practicality. BUT!!! Dillon considers the 1050 a commercial machine and does not cover broken parts under warranty like they do on the 750. So when, not if, you break a part on the machine you will be paying out of pocket to replace it. So I own a 1050 and a 650 (the only difference between a 650 and 750 is maximum allowable case/cartridge height) and the 650 is used considerably more. If you can find a 1050 used for a good price, go for it. But if you are truly looking at long term value, get a machine with the lifetime warranty like a 750 or used 650. |
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Originally Posted By WarthogA5: The biggest differences are: 1050 has a primer pocket swaging station. 1050 primes on the upstroke, 750 you push forward to prime on the down stroke. 750 pushes the cases up to the toolhead, 1050 pushes the toolhead down to the cases. Maybe a 100 round per hour difference ahead for the 1050 in all practicality. BUT!!! Dillon considers the 1050 a commercial machine and does not cover broken parts under warranty like they do on the 750. So when, not if, you break a part on the machine you will be paying out of pocket to replace it. So I own a 1050 and a 650 (the only difference between a 650 and 750 is maximum allowable case/cartridge height) and the 650 is used considerably more. If you can find a 1050 used for a good price, go for it. But if you are truly looking at long term value, get a machine with the lifetime warranty like a 750 or used 650. Oh wow, very good advice, thank you! |
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Originally Posted By WarthogA5: The biggest differences are: 1050 has a primer pocket swaging station. 1050 primes on the upstroke, 750 you push forward to prime on the down stroke. 750 pushes the cases up to the toolhead, 1050 pushes the toolhead down to the cases. Maybe a 100 round per hour difference ahead for the 1050 in all practicality. BUT!!! Dillon considers the 1050 a commercial machine and does not cover broken parts under warranty like they do on the 750. So when, not if, you break a part on the machine you will be paying out of pocket to replace it. So I own a 1050 and a 650 (the only difference between a 650 and 750 is maximum allowable case/cartridge height) and the 650 is used considerably more. If you can find a 1050 used for a good price, go for it. But if you are truly looking at long term value, get a machine with the lifetime warranty like a 750 or used 650. Also change over kits and tool heads cost a lot more on a 1050. If you are loading just 9mm and 233, you will need two change over kits and 3 tool head. Now this is both on the 1050 and 650/750. You start adding more calibers it pretty expensive on a 1050. |
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I've got both. For loading, I'm not sure a non commercial reloader would tell the difference in the two on output or quality. I am more than happy with the performance of my 650(s). As mentioned above, the caliber change costs between the 750 and the 1050 are significant. Now for brass processing, and taking out primer pocket crimp, I am a huge fan of the S1050. One trip through, and the brass is ready to load (outside of your cleaning processes). Without the on press primer swage, you have that additional step. There is of course the aftermarket on press swagers for the 650/750 (and I have them), but I didn't care for the performance (skip all the ZOMG, voids the warranty posts). Others here have had great success. Ymmv. My brother has a S1050 with an autodrive, and that is the next step up in crazy output. He loves it, and wouldn't give it up. It is also joined by a 650. I guess my advice would be that if you are going to set up and run very large batches, and plan to be in for the long haul, do the S1050. If you are going to do smaller batches, and change often, then I'd lean towards the 750 (cheaper changeovers (one time cost)), and quicker setups when you change over. Plus the aforementioned warranty differences/benefits. |
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Originally Posted By COSteve: The Number 1 Difference between the 750 and 1050 isn't just cost of the machines which is large, it's cost of the caliber conversions with the 1050's being significantly more expensive and significantly more time consuming to change. COSteve is not wrong about the pricing. However, significantly longer to change calibers? Especially if you have tool heads preset with your dies and just have to swap it and say a conversion kit. Doesn't take any time at all. So don't let the time be a factor. I started with a 550. Eventually wanted more production. My time is limited working 60-70 hours a week. If I want to hammer out a couple thousand 223 and hit the range. No problem. Within a few hours I can have that done. I have 2- 1050's right now. One on a Mark 7 auto drive. It does the case processing. I have found its sweet spot is 1800 cases per hour. So in just over an hour I can process 2000 cases. While that one is going, start loading on the other. I am set up with quick change kits on the 1050 with 5 of them. Then a couple extra tool heads for processing brass. Of course that means double conversion kits for a couple calibers. 223, 308 and 300 BO, Luckily enough, I bought a 223 conversion and a 300 BO conversion. So same shell plate and other parts. Only different parts are on the loading section. So that worked out. Then I also had a 45 conversion. Well it used the same shell plate as 308, so got my second setup that way and just a couple small pieces from Dillon. Now some will say that the warranty is a HUGE deal. As a hobby loader like me. I have only had 1 issue, I tried to put a large primer into a piece of small primer 45. That caused a primer detonation. Called Dillon. They sent me the parts for free. Well, I didn't realize that the swage rod had worked its way down. Or I didn't have it set right to begin with. Probably the latter. A week later I did it again. So, I took the machine to Dillon. Had them go through it. The replaced everything damaged. Then told me to pick it up. Again, no charge. Since then and since realizing about small primer 45 brass, I haven't had any issues at all. Thousands of rounds of 223, 45, 308 and 9. I still don't have a 300 BO rifle, so no reason to load for it yet. And Yes, I still have 550's. Well, I have a 450 and 2- 550's. The 450 does nothing except the 300 Win Mag. Then 1- 550 in small primer, and the other in large primer. These get the 40, 10mm, 357 SIG, 357 Mag, 30-06, done on them. Those are low round calibers that I shoot, so I don't need to go as fast with them. However, if I ever ran across a good deal at the right time. I would consider moving the 40 and 10 to the 1050, then it would make sense to sell a 550, and swap over primer sizes when needed. HMMM. Now I am thinking.  And as well, I will mention, I have not loaded on a 650/750, so I can't compare to that. Just wanted to ensure that you don't stress over the warranty offered with a 1050 or 1100. Lastly, There are a lot more of available conversion kits with the 550. Then a few less for the 650/750. Then even less for the 1050/1100. |
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Dillon 750 = 5 stations Dillon 1050 = 8 stations If you want to have room to do things like auto feed bullets or powder check, etc. then the 1050 is the way to go. |
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When you buy a 1050/1100 they come set up and ready to go. No need to buy dies or a casefeeder. Not so with the 650/750. If you have a spare toolhead, caliber conversions are easy and dont take long at all, about the same time as they do on my 550s. If you change primer sizes, you can add 5 or so minutes because there are more parts to change over. I have several 1050s and I reload about a dozen different calibers on them to include 3 case prep toolheads with trimmers. Dont worry about the warranty part. They are an incredibly well built machine.  
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Originally Posted By Ammon: YouTube seems to be filled with videos comparing the 650 and 750, but not very many comparing the 750 to the 1050. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a 1050 regardless, I'm young enough that even small positive changes will make the extra money worth it over the next 40 years of reloading. But, for my edification, can someone clue me in? I know the 1050 can have an ammobot or mk7 added to it, and I know it can primer pocket swage, but beyond that, what are the real advantages? You can't technically go from start to finish on 5.56 if you're trimming, so you're still relegated you 2 passes through and swapping dies or a tool head. Thanks for any info So as not to clutter this thread and take this conversation off into the weeds, I’ll be sending you a PM. |
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