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7/11/2024 12:53:47 PM EDT
Anyone in the LE world change the guns from auto to semi?  We're getting some surplus guns but our policy doesn't allow full auto, so we're figuring out ways to convert them.  Supopsedly you can swap out the auto sear for a block but I know nothing about the platform.  We're just startin to spin up on it
7/11/2024 12:58:57 PM EDT
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Remove auto sear.

30 seconds per weapon, no need to plug the auto sear axel hole.


18Z50…..1033 weapon program are a PITA.
7/11/2024 1:52:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 18B30:
Remove auto sear.

30 seconds per weapon, no need to plug the auto sear axel hole.


18Z50…..1033 weapon program are a PITA.
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Thanks!  These are not 1033 guns just a transfer from one agency to another
7/11/2024 2:10:45 PM EDT
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FN would probably sell you semi auto trigger modules is you wanted a more "permeant" fix.
7/11/2024 3:30:30 PM EDT
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Police department notoriously cheap, until they aren’t.
7/11/2024 3:36:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dalyman72:
FN would probably sell you semi auto trigger modules is you wanted a more "permeant" fix.
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Meh, I'll cross that bridge when we get there.  I'm more interested in a NRCH upgrade.  I have a call in with FNs federal rep to see what they can do
7/11/2024 3:39:56 PM EDT
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Police department notoriously cheap, until they aren’t.
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I'm in charge of the budget/purchasing so we'll be fine.  We're only taking these because 1) they're free and 2) as a gun guy and taxpayer it breaks my heart to see millions of dollars of brand new guns go to the shredder.
7/20/2024 1:36:46 PM EDT
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Meh, I'll cross that bridge when we get there.  I'm more interested in a NRCH upgrade.  I have a call in with FNs federal rep to see what they can do
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Pointless upgrade
7/20/2024 1:59:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Luvman][Edited] [#8]
If you're really cheap just grind of the tab on the selector that disengages the disconnector. Or grind the tail of the selectfire disconnector. Selector will be safe-semi-semi.

Or remove auto sear and replace selector with an AR safety.  Removing the sear alone could cause hammer follow issues if the selector was placed in auto position.  

Or replace disconnector with an AR15 disconnector.  Even with auto sear and 3 pos selector rifles with only fire semi automatic.
7/20/2024 2:11:17 PM EDT
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Could just cut the tail off the disconnector. Or install a semi auto disconnector. Install a semi auto selector. Remove auto sear. That's basically it. Could go further and cut the hook off the hammer.
7/20/2024 2:31:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Luvman:
If you're really cheap just grind of the tab on the selector that disengages the disconnector. Or grind the tail of the selectfire disconnector. Selector will be safe-semi-semi.

Or remove auto sear and replace selector with an AR safety.  Removing the sear alone could cause hammer follow issues if the selector was placed in auto position.  

Or replace disconnector with an AR15 disconnector.  Even with auto sear and 3 pos selector rifles with only fire semi automatic.
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This.
We had the same problem but in reverse. Armory staff recommended making them semi. Sheriff wanted FA. LOL
The conversion to semi is easy, cheap and reversible.
7/20/2024 6:52:35 PM EDT
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Yeah if we take out the sear I'll put in a semi safety.
7/20/2024 9:57:26 PM EDT
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Buy and install semiauto selections. No need to remove the autosear or alter the fcg in any way.
7/20/2024 10:00:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Buy and install semiauto selections. No need to remove the autosear or alter the fcg in any way.
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Thought of that but some of our guys are gun guys and would figure it out
8/2/2024 8:59:17 PM EDT
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FN only makes those auto lowers in Belgium and FN USA does not keep any spares here, so I'd bet they would trade you semi auto versions in a hot second.

The semi versions are the exact same lower they just don't have the A stamped and of course the auto parts.

Let me know if you need a contact at FN USA.
8/3/2024 11:58:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Buy and install semiauto selections. No need to remove the autosear or alter the fcg in any way.
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Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Buy and install semiauto selections. No need to remove the autosear or alter the fcg in any way.
This.

Originally Posted By cone256:
Thought of that but some of our guys are gun guys and would figure it out
If they can "figure it out" then they can buy & install an autosear (or whatever parts) just as easily.
That's why you slap them with a policy violation write-up (or worse) if they're caught doing it. (In any case, it's not criminal since the firearm is already a MG lawfully, even when mechanically limited to semi-auto.)

Originally Posted By BlueShirtGuy:
Let me know if you need a contact at FN USA.
I'd like to know your contact please.
8/4/2024 8:11:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BlueShirtGuy:
FN only makes those auto lowers in Belgium and FN USA does not keep any spares here, so I'd bet they would trade you semi auto versions in a hot second.

The semi versions are the exact same lower they just don't have the A stamped and of course the auto parts.

Let me know if you need a contact at FN USA.
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After many attempts I finally got ahold of the LE rep.  They won't swap guns
8/4/2024 10:41:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cone256:
After many attempts I finally got ahold of the LE rep.  They won't swap guns
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Did you ask about swapping just the lower assembly?

I don’t think a 16S lower will fit a 16 receiver, but they probably do offer a 16 lower that is limited to semi-auto, like BlueShirtGuy is saying.

If that doesn’t pan out, I’d ask FN about just buying safety assemblies.

Are these available through RTD, or FEPP, or what? Any more available besides what your agency is looking at getting?
8/5/2024 7:54:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
Did you ask about swapping just the lower assembly?

I don’t think a 16S lower will fit a 16 receiver, but they probably do offer a 16 lower that is limited to semi-auto, like BlueShirtGuy is saying.

If that doesn’t pan out, I’d ask FN about just buying safety assemblies.

Are these available through RTD, or FEPP, or what? Any more available besides what your agency is looking at getting?
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Originally Posted By cone256:
After many attempts I finally got ahold of the LE rep.  They won't swap guns
Did you ask about swapping just the lower assembly?

I don’t think a 16S lower will fit a 16 receiver, but they probably do offer a 16 lower that is limited to semi-auto, like BlueShirtGuy is saying.

If that doesn’t pan out, I’d ask FN about just buying safety assemblies.

Are these available through RTD, or FEPP, or what? Any more available besides what your agency is looking at getting?


I don't know what any of those acronyms mean.  It's just a straight transfer from one fed entity to another.  We shoot at their range which is why they approached us about taking them.  Either someone takes them or they shred them.  If we do take them, I'll be swapping out the safeties at a minimum.  It's not that we WANT them, its that they're free.  Personally I hope we don't take them, we're too small of an agency to be having multiple rifle types in the field.  We should just stick to ARs

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